Despairing teenager fights a very successful criminal [Re:Zero vs Grand Theft Auto] 2-0-0

[VersusJunkie54]

Arc 8 Subaru Natsuki (Re:Zero) VS GTA Online Protagonist. (Grand Theft Auto) A battle of two Glass Cannons with Type 4 & 8 Immortality & Resurrection

Both are in character

The GTA Online Protagonist has full knowledge of Subaru.

Speed is equalized

Subaru has Beatrice + his other equipment, and GTA Online Protagonist has access to all of their equipment.

The battle takes place in Los Santos on Grove Street. It is daytime. Both combatants start in a house on opposite sides of the street. Subaru's checkpoint is in said house. About 20 or so meters apart

Subaru's Stats:

Wall Level physically > 14.08 Megajoules, >> 14.08 Megajoules with whip, and even higher with Patrasche, can Negate durability

GTA Protag's Stats

Wall Level Physical stats >51.6 Kilojoules. Small Building Level to Large Building Level with equipment.

Subaru's Advantages:

• Superior Type 4 Immortality & resurrection he can use to gain intel on GTA Protag with each death loop
• Massively higher physical AP and durability
• Significantly higher reaction and perception speed.
• Vastly more versatile with Beatrice, and can negate durability, become invulnerable, or BFR
• Possibly greater Intelligence
• Possibly greater stamina and pain tolerance
• Social Influencing that can influence the Protag, or their allies
• Vastly higher willpower

GTA Protag's advantages:

• Vastly higher AP and Durability with certain weapons and vehicles
• Greater numbers via summoning (Merryweather, Muggers, Facility backup)
• Dramatically greater range with weapons and vehicles
• Peak Human LS
• More reliable regeneration & healing
• Greater versatility of equipment
• Much greater mobility with vehicles + flight

Wincons for both: Whoever gives up, or mentally breaks first.


Who wins and why?

Suffering Teenager: 2, SatellaTheWoE, MasterOwOgay

Faceless, Nameless Criminal: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Voting Subaru
Subaru not only has vastly higher willpower so he will probably win because GTA protag breaks first
but he can also BFR him to a void dimension via Al Shamak
(Subaru also has multiple 9B calculations but they haven't been added yet btw)

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Voting Subaru
Subaru not only has vastly higher willpower so he will probably win because GTA protag breaks first
but he can also BFR him to a void dimension via Al Shamak

Counted, though I personally prefer around a paragraph of reasoning. But given the wincon, it's all good.(Your username is based by the way)

GTA Protag can take the "easy way out" and respawn back in Los Santos. And what is Subaru's answer to being swarmed with Merryweather, Muggers, and Facility backup?

(Subaru also has multiple 9B calculations but they haven't been added yet btw)

Sauce? I always believed he had to have SOME feats above Tier 10. Though whether he's 10-A or 9-B doesn't matter all that much here since the wincon is the same.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Counted, though I personally prefer around a paragraph of reasoning. But given the wincon, it's all good.(Your username is based by the way)

thanks :3

GTA Protag can take the "easy way out" and respawn back in Los Santos. And what is Subaru's answer to being swarmed with Merryweather, Muggers, and Facility backup?

is bringing huge amounts of people and other characters even allowed? Subaru brings Reinhard gg
I would say minya alone is enough tbh

Sauce? I always believed he had to have SOME feats above Tier 10. Though whether he's 10-A or 9-B doesn't matter all that much here since the wincon is the same.

in arc 1 when he first kicked Kan, the wall behind him cracked and cratered from the impact of his kick
in arc 2 he tanks a hit from Rem that cratered a mountainside behind him
He would be 9B+ with them and almost 9A with the rem feat
(although arc 5 Subaru should already be 9A due to training)

 

[VersusJunkie54]

is bringing huge amounts of people and other characters even allowed? Subaru brings Reinhard gg
I would say minya alone is enough tbh

Summoning is in fact allowed as I understand it.

Could Minya take out the GTA protag in a tank? Could Beatrice feasibly tag GTA protag on an Oppressor Mk2 or an Avenger? Or any other aerial vehicle?

I'll be blunt, I added myself as a supporter to Re:Zero, but I've only gotten into it relatively recently so my knowledge is admittedly anemic. I know for certain GTA Protag has no hope of overcoming Subaru's Immortality, but what about the GTA protag's? (Speaking of, GTA Protag should have Type 8 since his Immortality is dependent upon Chris Formage).

in arc 1 when he first kicked Kan, the wall behind him cracked and cratered from the impact of his kick
in arc 2 he tanks a hit from Rem that cratered a mountainside behind him
He would be 9B+ with them and almost 9A with the rem feat
(although arc 5 Subaru should already be 9A due to training)

As I recall, he doesn't/shouldn't have any anti-feats in regards to this no?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is bringing huge amounts of people and other characters even allowed? Subaru brings Reinhard gg
I would say minya alone is enough tbh

Summoning has always been allowed as long as it's both a standard ability/equipment and not just the character running off from the fight to find their friends.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Summoning is in fact allowed as I understand it.

Could Minya take out the GTA protag in a tank? Could Beatrice feasibly tag GTA protag on an Oppressor Mk2 or an Avenger? Or any other aerial vehicle?

I'll be blunt, I added myself as a supporter to Re:Zero, but I've only gotten into it relatively recently so my knowledge is admittedly anemic. I know for certain GTA Protag has no hope of overcoming Subaru's Immortality, but what about the GTA protag's? (Speaking of, GTA Protag should have Type 8 since his Immortality is dependent upon Chris Formage).

Not ssure why it wasnt added but Subaru and beatrice have soul manipulation
Anyways, one way Subaru can gg GTA protag is by mana draining him so passes out
Another is if he crystalizes only his limbs so he doesnt die but becomes immobile
He could also use shamak and tie him up (though that one might not work)
there are probably more but these come to my mind rn

As I recall, he doesn't/shouldn't have any anti-feats in regards to this no?

nah, everybody else in the verse is so strong its actually more debatable if he shouldnt scale to THEIR bare minimum which is tier 7A
I literally just saw a conversation about a time where Subaru might have potentially been able to scar a 7A with his whip (it didnt happen though because tappei likes to write "but thats not what happened" at every single step smh)

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Not ssure why it wasnt added but Subaru and beatrice have soul manipulation
Anyways, one way Subaru can gg GTA protag is by mana draining him so passes out
Another is if he crystalizes only his limbs so he doesnt die but becomes immobile
He could also use shamak and tie him up (though that one might not work)
there are probably more but these come to my mind rn

What counters does he have to Passive Mode? Something GTA Protag can activate seemingly hands free and go intangible

Standard tactics for GTA Protag varies widely, but most consistently (and annoyingly) is hopping on the Oppressor Mk II, or the Sauce Machine Scramjet, flying around and strafing with rockets. Or just bouncing him around with the Up-n-Atomizer.

nah, everybody else in the verse is so strong its actually more debatable if he shouldnt scale to THEIR bare minimum which is tier 7A
I literally just saw a conversation about a time where Subaru might have potentially been able to scar a 7A with his whip (it didnt happen though because tappei likes to write "but thats not what happened" at every single step smh)

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if the case could be made, this place has base Ben Tennyson at 5-A .

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What counters does he have to Passive Mode? Something GTA Protag can activate seemingly hands free and go intangible

mana drain sucks out your shit from your Od which requires NPI and soul manipulation, intangibility wouldn't stop that

Standard tactics for GTA Protag varies widely, but most consistently (and annoyingly) is hopping on the Oppressor Mk II, or the Sauce Machine Scramjet, flying around and strafing with rockets. Or just bouncing him around with the Up-n-Atomizer.


I mean I wouldn't be surprised if the case could be made, this place has base Ben Tennyson at 5-A .

Subaru would have the speed advantage and could shoot stuff as soon as fight starts
I am also fairly certain magic can affect spirits because it damaged Petelgeuse

 

[SeijiSetto]

subaru's combat speed is athletic human, he only has supersonic reactions. he's not normally that fast.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

subaru's combat speed is athletic human, he only has supersonic reactions. he's not normally that fast.

he has beatrice in this fight

 

[VersusJunkie54]

mana drain sucks out your shit from your Od which requires NPI and soul manipulation, intangibility wouldn't stop that

Subaru would have the speed advantage and could shoot stuff as soon as fight starts
I am also fairly certain magic can affect spirits because it damaged Petelgeuse

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't they need to make some sort of physical contact? Or can he do it at range?

Petelgeuse could also be harmed by physical attacks, and Beatrice got one-shotted by Elsa. Unless I am not remembering those quite right.

What if GTA Protag calls a mugger to steal Beatrice?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't they need to make some sort of physical contact? Or can he do it at range?

mana drain requires you to be in physical contact yes

Petelgeuse could also be harmed by physical attacks,

thats his physical body that he possesses, you cant actually harm him in the true sense unless you destroy his soul
This is why Subaru needed julius in that fight, otherwise Geuse would just possess someone else

and Beatrice got one-shotted by Elsa. Unless I am not remembering those quite right.

Beatrice is an exception to the rule

What if GTA Protag calls a mugger to steal Beatrice?

the mugger would die because Subaru would be aware of him via rbd

 

[VersusJunkie54]

mana drain requires you to be in physical contact yes

thats his physical body that he possesses, you cant actually harm him in the true sense unless you destroy his soul
This is why Subaru needed julius in that fight, otherwise Geuse would just possess someone else

Doh, you're right. Not sure why I even brought that up.

Beatrice is an exception to the rule

What is Beatrice's durability as of current ratings? What can she and Subaru do against the Oppressor MkII, Scramjet, Avenger, Merryweather etc?

the mugger would die because Subaru would be aware of him via rbd

Not if GTA Protag cheats and uses mods. This was all a joke btw.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Doh, you're right. Not sure why I even brought that up.


What is Beatrice's durability as of current ratings?

10B

What can she and Subaru do against the Oppressor MkII, Scramjet, Avenger, Merryweather etc?

one minya for each of them should be enough

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[MasterOwOgay]

voting Subaru for Satella's reasons

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump. And edited the OP since Subaru just got a humongous upgrade.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru is going to get sub relativistic reaction and perception speed...

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Subaru is going to get sub relativistic reaction and perception speed...

Sauce for the CRT? Then speed will need to be equalized if that goes through.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Sauce for the CRT? Then speed will need to be equalized if that goes through.

speed being equalized would benefit subaru even more, actually.
John GTA would be equalized down to Subaru's Athletic Human combat speed while Subaru's reactions remain Sub-Rel.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

speed being equalized would benefit subaru even more, actually.
John GTA would be equalized down to Subaru's Athletic Human combat speed while Subaru's reactions remain Sub-Rel.

This is one thing about speed equalization that has always puzzled me. How does it account for amps or vehicles such as in this case? I swear this was discussed at some point in the past, but I can't seem to remember when or where.

 

[SeijiSetto]

This is one thing about speed equalization that has always puzzled me. How does it account for amps or vehicles such as in this case? I swear this was discussed at some point in the past, but I can't seem to remember when or where.

Amps remain but by the same multiplier. If I have a 2x speed amp, then no matter how speed is equalized, I can still activate it to be 2x faster.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Amps remain but by the same multiplier. If I have a 2x speed amp, then no matter how speed is equalized, I can still activate it to be 2x faster.

What about vehicles? Such as in the case of the GTA Protag? It would be really weird to scale those down to moving at athletic human speed.

 

[SeijiSetto]

What about vehicles? Such as in the case of the GTA Protag? It would be really weird to scale those down to moving at athletic human speed.

They get scaled down by the same proportion. If they're (for example, numbers pulled out of thin air) 10x faster than John GTA's combat speed, then they will remain 10x faster no matter what.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Bump. Equalized speed since Subaru was upgraded.

Btw, do Subaru+Beatrice have any means of overcoming the GTA protag's resurrection, and Immortality Types 4 & 8?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bump. Equalized speed since Subaru was upgraded.

Btw, do Subaru+Beatrice have any means of overcoming the GTA protag's resurrection, and Immortality Types 4 & 8?

this is a blitz now because Subaru in speed equal has a million times faster perception and reaction speed (making him impossible to be hit) and Beatrice keeps her sub relativistic speed as she is his "weapon"
Al shamak would BFR GTA protag to a void dimension so that is a easy wincon for them

 

[VersusJunkie54]

this is a blitz now because Subaru in speed equal has a million times faster perception and reaction speed (making him impossible to be hit) and Beatrice keeps her sub relativistic speed as she is his "weapon"

Eh, I'm not sure this is how speed equalization works. Perceptions and combat speed are equalized between both.

Al shamak would BFR GTA protag to a void dimension so that is a easy wincon for them

To be fair, the Protag can "take the easy way out" and he would respawn back in Los Santos.

I cannot vote, but I still think Subaru gets the W as the GTA Protag will eventually just give up. Oh if only more people would vote to give Subaru a notable victory on his profile.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Eh, I'm not sure this is how speed equalization works. Perceptions and combat speed are equalized between both.

only combat speed is equalized, rest of the speed stats are brought down by the same multiplier
this is why jojo stands are so OP on this wiki...

To be fair, the Protag can "take the easy way out" and he would respawn back in Los Santos.

that would be self bfr no?

I cannot vote, but I still think Subaru gets the W as the GTA Protag will eventually just give up. Oh if only more people would vote to give Subaru a notable victory on his profile.

personally i think its a stomp now....
how would GTA protag even win?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

only combat speed is equalized, rest of the speed stats are brought down by the same multiplier
this is why jojo stands are so OP on this wiki...

Guess I've been out of the loop, but it's not speed equalization at all and it is entirely misleading, it still makes matchups entirely unequal. Well, I may make it unequal again if this has just made it unfair. In the old days of the wiki, I could've sworn it was equalization for all stats.

that would be self bfr no?

It means that Chris Formage, the source of the GTA Protag's immortality would respawn him back in Los Santos, the setting of the battle if he killed himself.

personally i think its a stomp now....
how would GTA protag even win?

It isn't a stomp because Subaru doesn't really have any way to overcome the GTA protag's immortality and resurrection, but he could still beat him enough times, and then use his social influencing to make him go away.

Not necessarily a stomp, but it seems as though Subaru wins relatively easily.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Guess I've been out of the loop, but it's not speed equalization at all and it is entirely misleading, it still makes matchups entirely unequal. Well, I may make it unequal again if this has just made it unfair. In the old days of the wiki, I could've sworn it was equalization for all stats.

It means that Chris Formage, the source of the GTA Protag's immortality would respawn him back in Los Santos, the setting of the battle if he killed himself.

It isn't a stomp because Subaru doesn't really have any way to overcome the GTA protag's immortality and resurrection, but he could still beat him enough times, and then use his social influencing to make him go away.

Not necessarily a stomp, but it seems as though Subaru wins relatively easily.

mana drain still instantly knocks him out and now Beatrice is a million times faster.