- 15,573
- 13,075
Both at once though? If so then why aren't we using that?I did both the average for both
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Both at once though? If so then why aren't we using that?I did both the average for both
DemonMitch didn't like that so he preffered KLOL's methodBoth at once though? If so then why aren't we using that?
From Section 12: How fast are meteorites traveling when they reach the ground? in the above link.Meteoroids enter the earth’s atmosphere at very high speeds, ranging from 11 km/sec to 72 km/sec (25,000 mph to 160,000 mph)
On the very large end of the scale, a meteoroid of 1000 tons (9 x 10^5 kg) would retain about 70% of its cosmic velocity, and bodies of over 100,000 tons or so will cut through the atmosphere as if it were not even there. Luckily, such events are extraordinarily rare.
We are calculating the damage to the Earth tho, not the meteor itselfMost meteors from outer space have a speed ranging between 11km/s and 72km/s. Here is a quote from this page, and the quotes that are relevant to this feat.
From Section 12: How fast are meteorites traveling when they reach the ground? in the above link.
Here is another quote from the page, where meteors on a very large scale do not experience any form of slowdown when they reach the Earth's atmosphere.
Now to figure out how big the meteor is.
From that distance, the meteor will take about 10 days before it hits. As for the page right after this one, it's just an imagined in-case scenario when the meteor hits, so it's an expectation of what the characters think it would happen. It is not something that has, or will happen the exact same way.
I'm talking about the exact page that the OP is using for his calculation.
By the way, in Chapter 21 on the Pokemon Special ORAS manga, the collision between Mega Rayquaza and the grand meteor itself happens very similarly compared to the original game(s), except that the manga does not do a very good job of portraying the meteor's actual size.
Bottom Line:
- Angsize the distance between the panel and the Earth using this scan here, the location of where the meteor is.
- After finding the distance, figure out how many seconds there are in 10 days.
- (60 seconds) x (60 minutes) x (24 hours) x (10 days)
- Figure out the size of the meteor, although you can figure it out again by scaling the meteor size here in comparison to the Earth. There are hardly other scans in the manga usable for figuring out the meteor's actual size.
- Don't assume timeframes for meteor feats like these.
You would still need to figure out how much damage it would do to the Earth (actually) if the meteor actually hits instead of assuming that the entire Earth would blow up, which it contradicts. Even in the scan where it assumes the damage of the meteor impact, much of the Earth's spherical structure is shown to still be remaining despite the damage from its supposed impact.We are calculating the damage to the Earth tho, not the meteor itself
Did ya even check the calcs?You would still need to figure out how much damage it would do to the Earth (actually) if the meteor actually hits instead of assuming that the entire Earth would blow up, which it contradicts.
I'll check the calculations soon, although glaring issues are present the moment I checked those blogs. Those will be brought up in the next post.Did ya even check the calcs?
It is the reason why you see the Earth's spherical structure mostly intact though, meaning that the meteor wiped out the world more than the planet itself.
3.206e18kg
So, is it a surface bust or an actual planet bust?Are the rest of you fine with if I close this thread?
All that I saw from that meteor feat was that it was just falling towards Earth, and will reach the Earth in 10 days.It's a telekinetically controlled meteor by a powerful psychic alien. It's trajectory, KE, speed and so on are all controlled by that thing and it can change at a whim, only thing that the meteor's realistic values would effect is simply how much the alien can move with his telekinetic power.
That's asking a negative, meteor was clearly busted from Deoxys telekinetic powers.Show me a scan/panel where Deoxys is directly slowing down/speeding up the meteor that is heading towards the Earth please.
Would the information from the games be applicable to what happened in the manga? I would think so since both the games and the manga are apparently canon to each other (and the manga could be an alternate interpretation of the story, possibly)I remember a scene, from the games I think, where a scientists says that the meteor goes in an unnatural trajectory and speed or something like that, implying that it is due to Deoxys' influence.
Are you sure?That's asking a negative, meteor was clearly busted from Deoxys telekinetic powers.
...even in game that happened, so thanks to confirming my pointWould the information from the games be applicable to what happened in the manga? I would think so since both the games and the manga are apparently canon to each other (and the manga could be an alternate interpretation of the story, possibly)
Anyways, StrymUltra posted the exact moment in the game where it did state that the meteor's trajectory changed. Can it be used for this specific feat though, and was the same thing stated in the manga?
Are you sure?
Page 8-9. Page 10, Page 11, Page 12
After that, in triangle that was contained in the core of the meteor, Deoxys popped out.
We should wait Chariot 1st.If Strym is the only one who wants to close this thread, should I unfollow it, and let you figure things out on your own?
The meteor's destruction was portrayed differently from how it was shown in the game compared to the manga though....even in game that happened, so thanks to confirming my point
In short, yes, it happened in the same cutsceneThe meteor's destruction was portrayed differently from how it was shown in the game compared to the manga though.
Were pages 11 and 12 of Chapter 21 in ORAS happen in the games as well?
I thought that in the manga, there was some sort of blast that came upwards, assisting the destruction of the meteor that Rayquaza rammed into?In short, yes, it happened in the same cutscene
It was just the effect to show the meteor being hit, nothing too different than regular manga effect.I thought that in the manga, there was some sort of blast that came upwards, assisting the destruction of the meteor that Rayquaza rammed into?
The starters tried to help, though they weren't exactly needed, as in, that's literally it, they simply wanted to help but were explicitly not needed at all as it was made abundantly clear that Rayquaza, at least while Mega, can deal with it by himself (you could probabaly even argue for base, given he's around equal with Deoxys while in base, and Deoxys is doing this casually). (not to mention we arent scaling ******* starter pokemon to planet level or anywhere close, it'd be a hilarious outlier for any of them, even if all combined).I thought that in the manga, there was some sort of blast that came upwards, assisting the destruction of the meteor that Rayquaza rammed into?
All that I saw from that meteor feat was that it was just falling towards Earth, and will reach the Earth in 10 days.
Bringing up the point that its trajectory (not that it is even relevant since that it was aimed and headed directly towards Earth), KE, and speed being able to be controlled and how it affects the end result of the collision is are mostly just assumptions, and these are not mentioned, or these effects are directly seen any of the panels.
Show me a scan/panel where Deoxys is directly slowing down/speeding up the meteor that is heading towards the Earth please.
For the Majora's Mask example, we actually see a scene of it actually happening in the game, and it is actually questionable as to why you gave it a planet level rating when the description on your site states that it will wipe the "world and its inhabitants?"Majora's Mask, a tiny moon moving very slowly, upon impact, annihilates the entire planet when really
The calc that I did in the thread? The result obtained from the calc means that at low-end speed, it is very close to a surface bust, while at the high-end speed, it will annihilate the surface of the Earth entirely.again, I don't think you understand, if you want me to blunt, your way of trying to calculate this is explicitly wrong.
For the Majora's Mask example, we actually see a scene of it actually happening in the game, and it is actually questionable as to why you gave it a planet level rating when the description on your site states that it will wipe the "world and its inhabitants?"
robably not the best example you could have brought up (because the calc linked there contradicts that rating and the planet is not really shown to be destroyed at all (just a big explosion happens from the impact and the screen fades to black)), so...
There were a lot of points you made there that are just straight up assumed that was not shown in that specific feat, however.
Not the changing of trajectory part (because Strym showed evidence), but the part where the meteor is able to speed up and/or slow down (and thus arbitrarily changing its kinetic energy) not because it was shown or stated anywhere in the manga but you just assumed that Deoxys (that was contained in the meteor) could?
As a result? The results of the calc align with the aftermath of the meteor's supposed impact (supposed since it was a scene demonstrating what could happen if the meteor lands), with the spherical structure of the Earth still remaining, even if the surface of the Earth would end up being completely destroyed.
so you may want to check the results that were obtained in the calculations that the OP presented and see if the results actually make sense. You did agree that only the surface of the planet would have been destroyed and not the entire planet itself, yes?
Can we just close this thing?Because Hyrule Historia and Majora's Mask 3D, scans should be on the profile. If not, well I'll look into getting them added.
Also not my point, my point was that a tiny ass moon moving like 3kmph somehow completely ****** everything and caused damage, far, far, far, far beyond what it should have, but it did cause that amount of damage and that was how powerful the moon drop was, even if the KE of it would imply otherwise due to outside factors. Same thing here, the KE of the meteor doesn't matter (and is subject to just assuming it's the same as a normal meteor even though we know that isn't the case and as such any discrepancy between is explained before it even becomes a issue).
Yes, a big explosion, the issue is that big explosion is of giant chunks of debris being ejected off the planet, which is what every has calculated this feat as.
The planet doesn't need to be fully destroyed for it to be above planet level, I know that sounds super ****** up, but it's true, if the planet's surface was launched at relavistic speeds, the impact is far beyond planet level, even if the planet somehow survived, and that's exactly what happened. We can't ignore the actual destruction here Shields, which is what you're doing. As odd as it may sound this isn't even uncommon, there's plenty of planet level feats that don't destroy the planet in full, simply tossing a large country worth of mass into space at rel speeds is beyond planet level for example, and Deoxys did it with the whole surface and then some.
Unless you're talking about Majora's Mask here, in which case, see above.
Literally nothing I said wasn't true. And I don't think you realize, you're not even calculating the feat dude, you're calculating the KE of a meteor that is completely irrelevant to the feat, because the feat is the impact.
As ironic as it is, you're doing far more assuming then anyone here.
You're acting like this meteor must be a normal meteor, it must behave like a normal meteor and as such the destruction and yield of the meteor must be akin to that as if it truly was one, even if it's demonstrably false.
Like it or not, it isn't a normal meteor it's explicitly and demonstrably not one in the slightest and the damage it caused is demonstrably and quantifiably far different then what your calc implies it to be.
Of course that doesn't mean anything by itself but when we literally see the meteor impact the planet and then giant enormous chunks of mass get sent into space at blatantly ludicrous speeds, trying to calculate the KE of the meteor and saying that's how strong it is outright wrong, calculate the damage it actually did upon impact. Anything else is blatant dishonesty.
Uh, if the meteor suddenly stops, changes it's course, and then is suddenly moving fast again, that's literally Deoxys changing its speed. This really isn't something that should need to be explained.
There's a difference between assuming and Deoxys having to have literally done exactly that in order to change the trajectory.
****, I don't know if you realize this but if Deoxys can change it's trajectory at all in the first place he can manually manipulate the speed and KE of the thing.
And why does Deoxys being contained in the meteor matter? We're outright told he's controlling, to such a point he's even gonna smack Giovanni point blank with the thing because **** him in particular. Hell at one point it's even said the the meteor is Deoxys.
Also I don't know if you picked up on this but discussing the speed of the meteor is a complete waste of everyone's time, it doesn't matter, as said, it could literally being moving at on meter per hour, it doesn't matter, we see the impact so we know the yield.
>The calc that I did in the thread? The result obtained from the calc means that at low-end speed, it is very close to a surface bust, while at the high-end speed, it will annihilate the surface of the Earth entirely.
I'm aware of what you did and how you got it, I'm telling you it's blatantly wrong, rather, the math is correct, and under the assumption it's a normal meteor it would be correct. Basically the math and execution is all fine, what's wrong here is that simply doesn't apply. The way you're going about trying to calculate it is wrong, not the calc itself. Because reminder we see the impact of the meteor, and it's explicitly different then what you're trying to get from basic KE. And the worst part is, the impact panel is used NUMEROUS times, I'm not sure how you missed it but it's used almost every time they talk about the world getting ****** after the first time we see it.
it doesn't though, that's what you don't get, yes, but end up with earth's surface being ****** beyond repair, but even if both have similar results doesn't mean the actual thing that led to them was the same.
You're basically trying to say because your calc ends with the meteor's KE resulting in a surface wipe that it's accurate, but it isn't because it's the bare minimum and doesn't actually adhere to what we explicitly see occur. You're ignoring that we SEE the impact, multiple times, and the impact, while it does indeed result in a surface wipe of sorts, you're completely foregoing the fact that the surface was ejected thousands and thousands of km at incredible and ludicrous speeds, which is far beyond what you're insinuating and trying to pass it off as.
I did, dude, I've been in EVERY one of these threads, I'm well aware of how each and every calc of this has been obtained. The results do make sense, it's your results that don't make sense why? Because like it or not, your calc is wrong, your calc would work ONLY if we didn't see the impact as well, but we do, and the impact dwarfs your result, ergo, we calc the impact of the meteor that we see because that's quite literally what would happen if it hit, your calc is a feasible hypothetical if all we got was the panel of the meteor coming towards Earth, but because we have a scan of the impact as well, it fails to be accurate because it's demonstrably inaccurate to what we see.
Yes, i do agree that the planet was fully destroyed, I've spent four threads sticking by that, we see the planet, or at least some of it, still in tact after the impact, thus, people trying to calculate the mass dispersal using the planet's full mass is wrong, because we outright see that isn't the case.
And it's for that same reason why I'm saying you calc doesnt work either, because it goes against what we explicitly see happen as well, just in a completely different way. Basically, we don't need a assumed impact yield of the meteor's assumed KE based on a completely unknown speed and KE formula when we outright see the impact and we can just calculate that instead and forego and alien variables and the like.
Your calc's math is fine and it would work under the circumstances that we didn't also see the impact.
But due to seeing the impact, we know exactly how strong it is based on that, thus skipping the need for trying to guess how fast it was moving, a need for the mass, the need for anything, because at the end of the day, we know and see what it did. Trying to calculate it any other way is blatantly wrong.
And a few more.
See that? That panel is why your calc can't be used and is inaccurate, while both this and your calc end up with a similar result in that being a surface wipe, the actual SURFACE WIPE itself that occurred is drastically different.
If you want to take a shot at calcing this panel though, that's another story altogether, as long as you're reasonable about it and don't try to undersell it or make ridiculously high assumptions to get a high result we should be good.