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Both at once though? If so then why aren't we using that?
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Deoxys meteor: The revenge
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DemonMitch didn't like that so he preffered KLOL's method
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I refuse to make this die.
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Most meteors from outer space have a speed ranging between 11km/s and 72km/s. Here is a quote from this page, and the quotes that are relevant to this feat.
Here is another quote from the page, where meteors on a very large scale do not experience any form of slowdown when they reach the Earth's atmosphere.
EDIT: This part of post removed because it is an arbitrary picture of Earth being shown in a panel without regarding how far the Earth is supposed to be in comparison to the meteor (if the meteor is supposed to take 10 days to hit Earth from that distance).
From Section 12: How fast are meteorites traveling when they reach the ground? in the above link.
Here is another quote from the page, where meteors on a very large scale do not experience any form of slowdown when they reach the Earth's atmosphere.
EDIT: This part of post removed because it is an arbitrary picture of Earth being shown in a panel without regarding how far the Earth is supposed to be in comparison to the meteor (if the meteor is supposed to take 10 days to hit Earth from that distance).
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We are calculating the damage to the Earth tho, not the meteor itselfMost meteors from outer space have a speed ranging between 11km/s and 72km/s. Here is a quote from this page, and the quotes that are relevant to this feat.
From Section 12: How fast are meteorites traveling when they reach the ground? in the above link.
Here is another quote from the page, where meteors on a very large scale do not experience any form of slowdown when they reach the Earth's atmosphere.
Now to figure out how big the meteor is.
From that distance, the meteor will take about 10 days before it hits. As for the page right after this one, it's just an imagined in-case scenario when the meteor hits, so it's an expectation of what the characters think it would happen. It is not something that has, or will happen the exact same way.
I'm talking about the exact page that the OP is using for his calculation.
By the way, in Chapter 21 on the Pokemon Special ORAS manga, the collision between Mega Rayquaza and the grand meteor itself happens very similarly compared to the original game(s), except that the manga does not do a very good job of portraying the meteor's actual size.
Bottom Line:
- Angsize the distance between the panel and the Earth using this scan here, the location of where the meteor is.
- After finding the distance, figure out how many seconds there are in 10 days.
- (60 seconds) x (60 minutes) x (24 hours) x (10 days)
- Figure out the size of the meteor, although you can figure it out again by scaling the meteor size here in comparison to the Earth. There are hardly other scans in the manga usable for figuring out the meteor's actual size.
- Don't assume timeframes for meteor feats like these.
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I mean, that meteor was supernatural, not way it can damage the planet that bad with that size with the speed of regular meteor, the fact that it was powered from Deoxys invalidates any calc about The meteor itself, only The damage on The Planet can be calced
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You would still need to figure out how much damage it would do to the Earth (actually) if the meteor actually hits instead of assuming that the entire Earth would blow up, which it contradicts. Even in the scan where it assumes the damage of the meteor impact, much of the Earth's spherical structure is shown to still be remaining despite the damage from its supposed impact.
It does not matter if that meteor was supernatural or not, as the meteor has not directly displayed any other properties other than its large size.
I will, however, take the comment back about angsizing the distance from the Earth to the panel itself in that scan, as the artist drew the Earth and the meteor that way just to show that the meteor is heading towards the Earth without factoring in how fast the meteor would move to reach the Earth at that distance or anything like that.
Thus, the speed of meteors between 11km/s and 72km/s should be used, as these two numbers are a range for how fast meteors from outer space generally head towards Earth.
Bringing up the factors that the meteor was supernatural means you need to prove (via a scan) that Deoxys itself is actually accelerating the meteors to Earth quicker than normal (rather than just the meteor falling towards Earth). Otherwise, the things that are actually given in the feat (or variable that can be searched up online) need to be used.
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Did ya even check the calcs?
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I'll check the calculations soon, although glaring issues are present the moment I checked those blogs. Those will be brought up in the next post.
It is also possible to find out how fast the meteor was falling from outer space if it was capable of annihilating the Earth's surface based on its size alone, although depending on the rules here regarding kinetic energy, I'm not really sure if I should bring it up.
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- Blue line = 9.21px (found using Pythagorean theorem)
- Yellow line = 5.66px (found using Pythagorean theorem)
- Earth (big circle) = 1408px (size of the image)
- Earth = 1408px = 12742km
- Length = (9.21px/1408px) x 12742km = 83.35km (axis A)
- Width = (5.66px/1408px) x 12742km = 51.22km (axis B and C)
- Volume of ellipse = 915,953 km^3, or 915,953,000,000,000 m^3
- Density of meteor = (Google density of rock or something) in kg/m^3; using 3500kg/m^3 as an example.
- Mass = Volume x Density = (915,953,000,000,000 m^3) x (3,500kg/m^3) = 3.206e18kg
- Kinetic Energy = 0.5 x (Mass) x (Velocity^2)
- Kinetic Energy (Low End; 11km/s) = 1.94e26 Joules, or 46.37 Petatons TNT.
- Kinetic Energy (High End; 72km/s) = 8.31e27 Joules, or 1.986 Exatons TNT.
Just a sample calc, but even at realistic meteor speeds, a meteor of that size shown in the scan relative to Earth can pretty much break the Earth's surface.
It is the reason why you see the Earth's spherical structure mostly intact though, meaning that the meteor wiped out the world more than the planet itself.
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Shields, unfortunately, realistic meteor speeds don't apply here.
It's a telekinetically controlled meteor by a powerful psychic alien. It's trajectory, KE, speed and so on are all controlled by that thing and it can change at a whim, only thing that the meteor's realistic values would effect is simply how much the alien can move with his telekinetic power.
But speed doesn't actually matter, we're not calculating it's KE using a formula were speed has to be known, technically speaking, the meteor itself isn't even apart of the calc, it's the destruction afterward that's being calculated, we see the destruction of the Earth upon impact, that's the thing that's everyone is trying to calculate. Speed isn't a variable that has to be known because it could be 1kmph speed or 1000000000000000kmps, either or doesn't effect the result we see from it. Hell thinking on it, you could leave out the meteor aspect entirely and it wouldn't effect the calculation.
The speed though at the time was pretty fast, I forget the exact speed but they didn't really have much time (I think a week?) before impact and that was when it was unreasonably far away. When it was closing to impact time, they had to haul ass and get Rayquaza to fly up immediately.
That is true though, the planet did remain intact afterwards, it isn't a complete planet bust and I vehemently stand by that notion, saying anthing else is dishonest as we see the planet afterward, though as odd as it may sound, even a nonplanet bust can still be above planet level, which this one seems to be, the mass from impact and the speed and distance those debris travel can easily hit higher tiers even if the planet somehow remains intact, I can think of a few examples even outside of this, such as Kefka's continental raise feat somehow getting Large Planet level if memory serves.
It's a telekinetically controlled meteor by a powerful psychic alien. It's trajectory, KE, speed and so on are all controlled by that thing and it can change at a whim, only thing that the meteor's realistic values would effect is simply how much the alien can move with his telekinetic power.
But speed doesn't actually matter, we're not calculating it's KE using a formula were speed has to be known, technically speaking, the meteor itself isn't even apart of the calc, it's the destruction afterward that's being calculated, we see the destruction of the Earth upon impact, that's the thing that's everyone is trying to calculate. Speed isn't a variable that has to be known because it could be 1kmph speed or 1000000000000000kmps, either or doesn't effect the result we see from it. Hell thinking on it, you could leave out the meteor aspect entirely and it wouldn't effect the calculation.
The speed though at the time was pretty fast, I forget the exact speed but they didn't really have much time (I think a week?) before impact and that was when it was unreasonably far away. When it was closing to impact time, they had to haul ass and get Rayquaza to fly up immediately.
That is true though, the planet did remain intact afterwards, it isn't a complete planet bust and I vehemently stand by that notion, saying anthing else is dishonest as we see the planet afterward, though as odd as it may sound, even a nonplanet bust can still be above planet level, which this one seems to be, the mass from impact and the speed and distance those debris travel can easily hit higher tiers even if the planet somehow remains intact, I can think of a few examples even outside of this, such as Kefka's continental raise feat somehow getting Large Planet level if memory serves.
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Yeah, that's basically ignoring context lmao
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That's actually an upgrade to Deoxys' tk strength though. He's Unknown right now I think, that'd give him and anyone who can struggle or break free of his tk that lifting strength. Class P I think?
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Best thing we can do is calculating the LS and nuff else, however this is another topic, we should close this since this isn't going anywhere and the og calc is still good
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So, is it a surface bust or an actual planet bust?
Plus, I'd like to respond to Chariot's point about the speed of the meteor since it clearly matters despite this part of his post here.
All that I saw from that meteor feat was that it was just falling towards Earth, and will reach the Earth in 10 days.
Bringing up the point that its trajectory (not that it is even relevant since that it was aimed and headed directly towards Earth), KE, and speed being able to be controlled and how it affects the end result of the collision is are mostly just assumptions, and these are not mentioned, or these effects are directly seen any of the panels.
Show me a scan/panel where Deoxys is directly slowing down/speeding up the meteor that is heading towards the Earth please.
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That's asking a negative, meteor was clearly busted from Deoxys telekinetic powers.
Again, you're ignoring context to low-ball.
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I remember a scene, from the games I think, where a scientist says that the meteor goes in an unnatural trajectory and speed or something like that, implying that it is due to Deoxys' influence.
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Yup, implied from 1:55 to 2:25.
It's not standard meteor which calcs can be applied on it, just the effects on the planet.
It's not standard meteor which calcs can be applied on it, just the effects on the planet.
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Would the information from the games be applicable to what happened in the manga? I would think so since both the games and the manga are apparently canon to each other (and the manga could be an alternate interpretation of the story, possibly)
Anyways, StrymUltra posted the exact moment in the game where it did state that the meteor's trajectory changed. Can it be used for this specific feat though, and was the same thing stated in the manga?
The issue is that even in that timestamped scene in ORAS, it was merely stated that the meteor changed trajectory. Nothing was stated about the meteor was speeding up as it was heading towards Earth (unless you got a scan for it).
Are you sure?
Page 8-9. Page 10, Page 11, Page 12
After that, in triangle that was contained in the core of the meteor, Deoxys popped out.
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...even in game that happened, so thanks to confirming my point
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We should wait Chariot 1st.
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The meteor's destruction was portrayed differently from how it was shown in the game compared to the manga though.
Were pages 11 and 12 of Chapter 21 in ORAS happen in the games as well?
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In short, yes, it happened in the same cutscene
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I thought that in the manga, there was some sort of blast that came upwards, assisting the destruction of the meteor that Rayquaza rammed into?
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It was just the effect to show the meteor being hit, nothing too different than regular manga effect.
Also you can see said "energy" in game too after Rayquaza, making it consistent to game showing
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The starters tried to help, though they weren't exactly needed, as in, that's literally it, they simply wanted to help but were explicitly not needed at all as it was made abundantly clear that Rayquaza, at least while Mega, can deal with it by himself (you could probabaly even argue for base, given he's around equal with Deoxys while in base, and Deoxys is doing this casually). (not to mention we arent scaling ******* starter pokemon to planet level or anywhere close, it'd be a hilarious outlier for any of them, even if all combined).
What? How do you miss the destruction in the immediate next panel?
I dont think you understand, KE, size, mass, literally ALL of that is completely irrelevant. It quite literally doesn't matter, we see the impact, we see the destruction, ergo, we can calculate the destruction of the impact caused by the meteor.
And that's exactly what's being done. Trying to find the KE of the meteor and saying that's how strong it was is blatantly dishonest and false and is just as bad as trying to say it was a full planet bust, we see the destruction it caused, the meteor could be 1kg and moving at 1mps, it doesn't matter how much it weighs if the destruction we explicitly see says otherwise.
If you need an example, take Majora's Mask, a tiny moon moving very slowly, upon impact, annihilates the entire planet when really, it shouldn't even be able to take out a few city blocks, yet the destruction it caused is demonstrably and explicitly far above what it realistically should, why? Well it doesn't matter why , all that matters is that's what happened, but if you need a reason then it's because it was controlled by Deoxys and isn't natural.
Uh, that's the entire point? The ****** is literally moving it with his mind and can change it's trajectory on a whim, controlling its speed is quite literally bundled with that given he can stop it instantly, make it change directions, and then have it speed up again to where it can suddenly **** the planet up beyond recognition. And, again, I don't think you understand, if you want me to blunt, your way of trying to calculate this is explicitly wrong.
We do not know the exact speed unfortunately, but what we do know is that the meteor is controlled entirely by Deoxys, we don't have a speed but we know it isn't natural and we know it can change at a whim. And we also know that the actual impact of the meteor is far, far, far above what you're trying to pass it off as.
Ergo, whatever you're trying to do with KE isn't gonna work because the KE of a meteor and treating it as natural doesn't line up with what we outright see occur.
It'd be like if someone had a gun and shot a bullet with telekinesis, and that bullet then proceeded to blow up a building, yes it's just a bullet being fired from a gun, but obviously we aren't going to use the KE to figure out how strong it was because we see it straight up take down a building in one blow, we'd calc the destruction of the building, you get me right?
This goes both ways Shields, even if it's not intentional, we shouldnt try and undersell a feat and ignore what's literally on panel in the same way plenty of people have tried to highball the feat while ignoring what we see on panel, we should just calc the destruction we see and call it a day, that's the only accurate way this feat can be calculated and anything else is blatant dishonesty.
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For the Majora's Mask example, we actually see a scene of it actually happening in the game, and it is actually questionable as to why you gave it a planet level rating when the description on your site states that it will wipe the "world and its inhabitants?"
Probably not the best example you could have brought up (because the calc linked there contradicts that rating and the planet is not really shown to be destroyed at all (just a big explosion happens from the impact and the screen fades to black)), so...
There were a lot of points you made there that are just straight up assumed that was not shown in that specific feat, however.
Not the changing of trajectory part (because Strym showed evidence), but the part where the meteor is able to speed up and/or slow down (and thus arbitrarily changing its kinetic energy) not because it was shown or stated anywhere in the manga but you just assumed that Deoxys (that was contained in the meteor) could?
The calc that I did in the thread? The result obtained from the calc means that at low-end speed, it is very close to a surface bust, while at the high-end speed, it will annihilate the surface of the Earth entirely.
As a result? The results of the calc align with the aftermath of the meteor's supposed impact (supposed since it was a scene demonstrating what could happen if the meteor lands), with the spherical structure of the Earth still remaining, even if the surface of the Earth would end up being completely destroyed.
so you may want to check the results that were obtained in the calculations that the OP presented and see if the results actually make sense. You did agree that only the surface of the planet would have been destroyed and not the entire planet itself, yes?
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Because Hyrule Historia and Majora's Mask 3D, scans should be on the profile. If not, well I'll look into getting them added.
Also not my point, my point was that a tiny ass moon moving like 3kmph somehow completely ****** everything and caused damage, far, far, far, far beyond what it should have, but it did cause that amount of damage and that was how powerful the moon drop was, even if the KE of it would imply otherwise due to outside factors. Same thing here, the KE of the meteor doesn't matter (and is subject to just assuming it's the same as a normal meteor even though we know that isn't the case and as such any discrepancy between is explained before it even becomes a issue).
Yes, a big explosion, the issue is that big explosion is of giant chunks of debris being ejected off the planet, which is what every has calculated this feat as.
The planet doesn't need to be fully destroyed for it to be above planet level, I know that sounds super ****** up, but it's true, if the planet's surface was launched at relavistic speeds, the impact is far beyond planet level, even if the planet somehow survived, and that's exactly what happened. We can't ignore the actual destruction here Shields, which is what you're doing. As odd as it may sound this isn't even uncommon, there's plenty of planet level feats that don't destroy the planet in full, simply tossing a large country worth of mass into space at rel speeds is beyond planet level for example, and Deoxys did it with the whole surface and then some.
Unless you're talking about Majora's Mask here, in which case, see above.
Literally nothing I said wasn't true. And I don't think you realize, you're not even calculating the feat dude, you're calculating the KE of a meteor that is completely irrelevant to the feat, because the feat is the impact.
As ironic as it is, you're doing far more assuming then anyone here.
You're acting like this meteor must be a normal meteor, it must behave like a normal meteor and as such the destruction and yield of the meteor must be akin to that as if it truly was one, even if it's demonstrably false.
Like it or not, it isn't a normal meteor it's explicitly and demonstrably not one in the slightest and the damage it caused is demonstrably and quantifiably far different then what your calc implies it to be.
Of course that doesn't mean anything by itself but when we literally see the meteor impact the planet and then giant enormous chunks of mass get sent into space at blatantly ludicrous speeds, trying to calculate the KE of the meteor and saying that's how strong it is outright wrong, calculate the damage it actually did upon impact. Anything else is blatant dishonesty.
Uh, if the meteor suddenly stops, changes it's course, and then is suddenly moving fast again, that's literally Deoxys changing its speed. This really isn't something that should need to be explained.
There's a difference between assuming and Deoxys having to have literally done exactly that in order to change the trajectory.
****, I don't know if you realize this but if Deoxys can change it's trajectory at all in the first place he can manually manipulate the speed and KE of the thing.
And why does Deoxys being contained in the meteor matter? We're outright told he's controlling, to such a point he's even gonna smack Giovanni point blank with the thing because **** him in particular. Hell at one point it's even said the the meteor is Deoxys.
Also I don't know if you picked up on this but discussing the speed of the meteor is a complete waste of everyone's time, it doesn't matter, as said, it could literally being moving at on meter per hour, it doesn't matter, we see the impact so we know the yield.
>The calc that I did in the thread? The result obtained from the calc means that at low-end speed, it is very close to a surface bust, while at the high-end speed, it will annihilate the surface of the Earth entirely.
I'm aware of what you did and how you got it, I'm telling you it's blatantly wrong, rather, the math is correct, and under the assumption it's a normal meteor it would be correct. Basically the math and execution is all fine, what's wrong here is that simply doesn't apply. The way you're going about trying to calculate it is wrong, not the calc itself. Because reminder we see the impact of the meteor, and it's explicitly different then what you're trying to get from basic KE. And the worst part is, the impact panel is used NUMEROUS times, I'm not sure how you missed it but it's used almost every time they talk about the world getting ****** after the first time we see it.
it doesn't though, that's what you don't get, yes, but end up with earth's surface being ****** beyond repair, but even if both have similar results doesn't mean the actual thing that led to them was the same.
You're basically trying to say because your calc ends with the meteor's KE resulting in a surface wipe that it's accurate, but it isn't because it's the bare minimum and doesn't actually adhere to what we explicitly see occur. You're ignoring that we SEE the impact, multiple times, and the impact, while it does indeed result in a surface wipe of sorts, you're completely foregoing the fact that the surface was ejected thousands and thousands of km at incredible and ludicrous speeds, which is far beyond what you're insinuating and trying to pass it off as.
I did, dude, I've been in EVERY one of these threads, I'm well aware of how each and every calc of this has been obtained. The results do make sense, it's your results that don't make sense why? Because like it or not, your calc is wrong, your calc would work ONLY if we didn't see the impact as well, but we do, and the impact dwarfs your result, ergo, we calc the impact of the meteor that we see because that's quite literally what would happen if it hit, your calc is a feasible hypothetical if all we got was the panel of the meteor coming towards Earth, but because we have a scan of the impact as well, it fails to be accurate because it's demonstrably inaccurate to what we see.
Yes, i do agree that the planet was fully destroyed, I've spent four threads sticking by that, we see the planet, or at least some of it, still in tact after the impact, thus, people trying to calculate the mass dispersal using the planet's full mass is wrong, because we outright see that isn't the case.
And it's for that same reason why I'm saying you calc doesnt work either, because it goes against what we explicitly see happen as well, just in a completely different way. Basically, we don't need a assumed impact yield of the meteor's assumed KE based on a completely unknown speed and KE formula when we outright see the impact and we can just calculate that instead and forego and alien variables and the like.
Your calc's math is fine and it would work under the circumstances that we didn't also see the impact.
But due to seeing the impact, we know exactly how strong it is based on that, thus skipping the need for trying to guess how fast it was moving, a need for the mass, the need for anything, because at the end of the day, we know and see what it did. Trying to calculate it any other way is blatantly wrong.
And a few more.
See that? That panel is why your calc can't be used and is inaccurate, while both this and your calc end up with a similar result in that being a surface wipe, the actual SURFACE WIPE itself that occurred is drastically different.
If you want to take a shot at calcing this panel though, that's another story altogether, as long as you're reasonable about it and don't try to undersell it or make ridiculously high assumptions to get a high result we should be good.
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Can we just close this thing?Because Hyrule Historia and Majora's Mask 3D, scans should be on the profile. If not, well I'll look into getting them added.
Also not my point, my point was that a tiny ass moon moving like 3kmph somehow completely ****** everything and caused damage, far, far, far, far beyond what it should have, but it did cause that amount of damage and that was how powerful the moon drop was, even if the KE of it would imply otherwise due to outside factors. Same thing here, the KE of the meteor doesn't matter (and is subject to just assuming it's the same as a normal meteor even though we know that isn't the case and as such any discrepancy between is explained before it even becomes a issue).
Yes, a big explosion, the issue is that big explosion is of giant chunks of debris being ejected off the planet, which is what every has calculated this feat as.
The planet doesn't need to be fully destroyed for it to be above planet level, I know that sounds super ****** up, but it's true, if the planet's surface was launched at relavistic speeds, the impact is far beyond planet level, even if the planet somehow survived, and that's exactly what happened. We can't ignore the actual destruction here Shields, which is what you're doing. As odd as it may sound this isn't even uncommon, there's plenty of planet level feats that don't destroy the planet in full, simply tossing a large country worth of mass into space at rel speeds is beyond planet level for example, and Deoxys did it with the whole surface and then some.
Unless you're talking about Majora's Mask here, in which case, see above.
Literally nothing I said wasn't true. And I don't think you realize, you're not even calculating the feat dude, you're calculating the KE of a meteor that is completely irrelevant to the feat, because the feat is the impact.
As ironic as it is, you're doing far more assuming then anyone here.
You're acting like this meteor must be a normal meteor, it must behave like a normal meteor and as such the destruction and yield of the meteor must be akin to that as if it truly was one, even if it's demonstrably false.
Like it or not, it isn't a normal meteor it's explicitly and demonstrably not one in the slightest and the damage it caused is demonstrably and quantifiably far different then what your calc implies it to be.
Of course that doesn't mean anything by itself but when we literally see the meteor impact the planet and then giant enormous chunks of mass get sent into space at blatantly ludicrous speeds, trying to calculate the KE of the meteor and saying that's how strong it is outright wrong, calculate the damage it actually did upon impact. Anything else is blatant dishonesty.
Uh, if the meteor suddenly stops, changes it's course, and then is suddenly moving fast again, that's literally Deoxys changing its speed. This really isn't something that should need to be explained.
There's a difference between assuming and Deoxys having to have literally done exactly that in order to change the trajectory.
****, I don't know if you realize this but if Deoxys can change it's trajectory at all in the first place he can manually manipulate the speed and KE of the thing.
And why does Deoxys being contained in the meteor matter? We're outright told he's controlling, to such a point he's even gonna smack Giovanni point blank with the thing because **** him in particular. Hell at one point it's even said the the meteor is Deoxys.
Also I don't know if you picked up on this but discussing the speed of the meteor is a complete waste of everyone's time, it doesn't matter, as said, it could literally being moving at on meter per hour, it doesn't matter, we see the impact so we know the yield.
>The calc that I did in the thread? The result obtained from the calc means that at low-end speed, it is very close to a surface bust, while at the high-end speed, it will annihilate the surface of the Earth entirely.
I'm aware of what you did and how you got it, I'm telling you it's blatantly wrong, rather, the math is correct, and under the assumption it's a normal meteor it would be correct. Basically the math and execution is all fine, what's wrong here is that simply doesn't apply. The way you're going about trying to calculate it is wrong, not the calc itself. Because reminder we see the impact of the meteor, and it's explicitly different then what you're trying to get from basic KE. And the worst part is, the impact panel is used NUMEROUS times, I'm not sure how you missed it but it's used almost every time they talk about the world getting ****** after the first time we see it.
it doesn't though, that's what you don't get, yes, but end up with earth's surface being ****** beyond repair, but even if both have similar results doesn't mean the actual thing that led to them was the same.
You're basically trying to say because your calc ends with the meteor's KE resulting in a surface wipe that it's accurate, but it isn't because it's the bare minimum and doesn't actually adhere to what we explicitly see occur. You're ignoring that we SEE the impact, multiple times, and the impact, while it does indeed result in a surface wipe of sorts, you're completely foregoing the fact that the surface was ejected thousands and thousands of km at incredible and ludicrous speeds, which is far beyond what you're insinuating and trying to pass it off as.
I did, dude, I've been in EVERY one of these threads, I'm well aware of how each and every calc of this has been obtained. The results do make sense, it's your results that don't make sense why? Because like it or not, your calc is wrong, your calc would work ONLY if we didn't see the impact as well, but we do, and the impact dwarfs your result, ergo, we calc the impact of the meteor that we see because that's quite literally what would happen if it hit, your calc is a feasible hypothetical if all we got was the panel of the meteor coming towards Earth, but because we have a scan of the impact as well, it fails to be accurate because it's demonstrably inaccurate to what we see.
Yes, i do agree that the planet was fully destroyed, I've spent four threads sticking by that, we see the planet, or at least some of it, still in tact after the impact, thus, people trying to calculate the mass dispersal using the planet's full mass is wrong, because we outright see that isn't the case.
And it's for that same reason why I'm saying you calc doesnt work either, because it goes against what we explicitly see happen as well, just in a completely different way. Basically, we don't need a assumed impact yield of the meteor's assumed KE based on a completely unknown speed and KE formula when we outright see the impact and we can just calculate that instead and forego and alien variables and the like.
Your calc's math is fine and it would work under the circumstances that we didn't also see the impact.
But due to seeing the impact, we know exactly how strong it is based on that, thus skipping the need for trying to guess how fast it was moving, a need for the mass, the need for anything, because at the end of the day, we know and see what it did. Trying to calculate it any other way is blatantly wrong.
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See that? That panel is why your calc can't be used and is inaccurate, while both this and your calc end up with a similar result in that being a surface wipe, the actual SURFACE WIPE itself that occurred is drastically different.
If you want to take a shot at calcing this panel though, that's another story altogether, as long as you're reasonable about it and don't try to undersell it or make ridiculously high assumptions to get a high result we should be good.
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I have zero qualms with that, literally nothing has changed.
The calc being used based upon the impact panel is fine and good, it takes into account the aftermath we see as well and so on and so forth. i don't see us getting a more accurate calc and if we do, it's only gonna be negligible at best.
Though you may as well make a thread for Deoxys' TK strength and those that scale, pretty sure the meteor weighs enough to give him and friends Class P, it's straightforward and isn't subject to all these variants that have made this feat such an issue to figure out, it's literally just "this weighs this much, he can move that, Class P".
The calc being used based upon the impact panel is fine and good, it takes into account the aftermath we see as well and so on and so forth. i don't see us getting a more accurate calc and if we do, it's only gonna be negligible at best.
Though you may as well make a thread for Deoxys' TK strength and those that scale, pretty sure the meteor weighs enough to give him and friends Class P, it's straightforward and isn't subject to all these variants that have made this feat such an issue to figure out, it's literally just "this weighs this much, he can move that, Class P".
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