Demon Slayer Speed Downgrade

[Mbpoops]

Is that a frame mog

 

[Saqphire]

• Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Elemental]; Nichirin Swords can cut through Zohakuten's lightning)

He (probably) meant asides from that feat, as it would be circular reasoning otherwise

• Zohakuten's lightning can get cut which is an anti feat for the lightning being real lightning
• No it's not an anti-feat. Mitsuri can cut lightning because she has NPI
• Why does she have NPI?
• Cuz Mitsuri cut lightning

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Exhibit 3:Hantengu(Zohakuten, Sekido).

3.1:His lightning can be cut, which is impossible given lightning is immaterial.

Using a fictional metal ore called Nichirin that negates demon stuff

3.2:His lightning isn't sky-to-ground (seeing as Zohakuten's lightning comes from the dragon heads, and Sekido's comes from the bottom of the staff) as we don't see it fall nor go up, and it's also blue/red.

Wtf





No the lightning doesn't come from the bottom of the staff. In what world did you even interpret it as that.

Also you can't be serious about the color right

3.3:I know i've stated this before, but it's a Blood Demon Art. That's a reason as to why it isn't made of the same thing as lightning.

It being a Blood Demon Art isn't a disqualifier to anything. It still has properties of a real one.

He could very well reshape it to have (one to two) properties of lightning, and it still wouldn't be lightning. This guy couldn't have said it better.(Replace Kaigaku for Hantengu).

Not how it works and also no one cares about reddit.

3.4:The soundwave was already able to travel a far enough distance before the lightning bolts finish firing, which shouldn't be possible considering one is 1283 times faster than the other.

Ignoring how the lightning straight up travels faster than the shockwaves and @Epyriel response to it

Shockwaves aren't an anti-feat and nothing stops them from traveling faster

3.4.1:Nothing implies the soundwaves were frozen while she(Mitsuri) was cutting the surroundings. This is pure headcanon.

Head canon like you vibe scaling 80% of this CRT right? (Again who argued this???)

3.4.2:The lightning already struck the ground by the time she mowed the surroundings. Even if you do argue that she did indeed hit the lightning, it's still an antifeat because it couldn't conduct through the sword and electrocute her.

No it didn't. What are you on about.

Also anti feat to what????



The lightning causes muscle contractions/spasms/paralysis/electrocution



Tanjiro noticed that the lightning isn't conducting through the emotion clones' flesh, and exploited this by using the flesh as an insulator. Meaning that the lightning flows and conducts through other materials:

3.5:It wouldn't make much sense using sound, wind, lightning and light in the same match, considering one has unquantifiable speed, one is mach 1, one is mach 1283(if what you guys make of it is true), and the other is mach 900,000(if what you guys make of it is true.).

So one is unquantifiable. Another one is also unquantifiable. The lightning is lightning speed. And the last one isn't accepted as light speed. What is the issue?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He (probably) meant asides from that feat, as it would be circular reasoning otherwise

Mitsuri can cut the lightning because she has a sword made of nichirin, a fictional metal that explicitly negstes blood demonnarts and their effects. Not because the lightning is for some reason tangible despite every indication to the contrary.

 

[Saqphire]

Makes sense then.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Did no one clock that the OP argued the lightning being fake because the color is red and blue

 

[AthelChan]

Did no one clock that the OP argued the lightning being fake because the color is red and blue

do not let this guy see a blurple lightning.

 

[Epyriel]

Antifeats:

Genya uses a shotgun, and the shotgun doesn't show any differences from normal shotguns, so Supersonic+(consistent with the rest of my scaling) at best.

"Oh but his shotgun changes color"

So what? it still doesn't show any difference to a normal shotgun other than being colored

Gyomei uses sound to percieve(though i'm not gonna use this for obvious reasons.)

Muzan failed to dodge an explosion , before the drug, while also on high alert

That should be all the antifeats.

New speed rating should be:

Hypersonic(higher end) for undrugged Muzan and Yoriichi

Hypersonic(lower end) for Koku, and the marked Hashiras + Kanao, Zenitsu, Tanjiro

Supersonic+ for Genya, base Hashiras and the rest of the Demon Slayers

Transonic/Subsonic+ for mid tiers

Subsonic for low tiers in the verse

Superhuman for fodders in the verse

I hope someone actually reads this and doesn't just scroll until they find the funny numbers

Anyways i'm out, goodbye!

Alright I think these anti-feats really do deserve a discussion rule at this point.

These get constantly debunked in every single thread with no new arguments being raised.

Just to recap to be thorough so this can be added on to the pile of threads in which this has been debunked, I’ll go over this again:

Genya’s Bullets

• Caps literally no one. Every single character that has fought Genya has been able to either casually block his shots or outright blitzed them. The emotion clones do so. And Kokushibo does so.
• The idea that literal self-propelling demon blood magic bullets that spawn vampiric trees MUST be the same speed as regular bullets fired by regular guns is kind of laughable.
• Even lower moon tier characters like Gaiden Rengoku could hadily block and dodge massive bullet volleys from over a dozen guns at once.
• Even Pre-Taisho Era swordsman state they have never lost to guns with their swords in Hairo’s flashback.

Ubuyashiki’s Trap

• Muzan clearly reacted to this in the manga.
• Muzan never dodges a single attack in the entire manga (even from those by characters he rather obviously could if he wanted) always relying on his regeneration.
• Your scan for him being on “high alert” literally includes him saying that he didn’t expect an attack like this. He is even explicitly deceived by Ubuyashiki having family members around him in the line of fire to lower Muzan’s guard for exactly this kind of attack.
• Dodging would be kind of pointless when it is a trap that is set off circumferentially.
• The speed of the explosion is completely unknown as the Demon Slayer Corps explicitly has access to a custom fictional explosive powder of unknown speed. Keep in mind this was a trap specifically designed and set for someone of Muzan’s caliber via foresight.

 

[Assassin]

1.1:Breathing styles don't actually summon their elements.

They don't summon their elements, however Zenitsu in particular is verbatim stated to cause the air surrounding him to vibrate. So .
Furthermore, he literally caused a sonic boom that Tanjiro heard across a mountain in the same instance, and this is only season 1. So that puts S1 Zenitsu to Supersonic at a bare minimum. The calc for the feat gets him to Supersonic+ but idc abt the specifics here.

And it wouldn't really make much sense for a character with a breathing style based on sound to be faster than, or even comparable to a breathing style based around lightning, would it now?

That's just a blatant biased sample fallacy.
I guess Gyomei is slower than a snail because he uses Stone Breathing, and Stones don't move. Impeccable logic.

1.3:Six-Fold Thunder Flash calc: This has already been debunked in another thread.

Idc about the calc itself, already displayed it is objectively above the speed of sound at a minimum via the sonic boom created.

3.1:His lightning can be cut, which is impossible given lightning is immaterial.

It was "cut" by a fictional material with consistently absurd qualities.
1. It changes color based on the users skill (stated by Senjuro)
2. The color depends on whatever your body is most suited to for breathing (somehow it just knows)
3. It's implied it's AP and durability is wholly dependant on the users skill, and if it ever breaks, it is SOLELY the users fault, meaning it has magical durability and AP.
4. We see season 1 Tanjiro cut a stone in half with a weaker sword, then Inosuke later in season 1 can knock entire chunks out of a brand new nichirin sword?
5. We have literally seen them cut nonphysical things already.
They could cut Akaza's shockwaves and even deflect them like a physical object. Tanjiro could manipulate Yahaba's Koketsu Arrows, which are literally just Vector Manipulation. And Kyojuro could hit literal shadows against Hairo in the Gaiden. This is just from memory.

3.2:His lightning isn't sky-to-ground (seeing as Zohakuten's lightning comes from the dragon heads, and Sekido's comes from the bottom of the staff) as we don't see it fall nor go up, and it's also blue/red.

Except it is. In several instances, he can make lightning come from anywhere he chooses. In some instances it's the ground, some it's the dragons, and some appear from straight up. Unless you think the dragons were several hundred feet above the gang for literally no reason, they came from the sky several times.
Lightning can be blue and red.
If you wanna go by anime stuff, how about we talk about the fact when Tanjiro pushed Genya away from the lightning, it followed the legit stages of actual lightning? It went stage by stage of how real lightning functions.

3.3:I know i've stated this before, but it's a Blood Demon Art. That's a reason as to why it isn't made of the same thing as lightning.

Blood Demon Arts just reproduce the natural phenomena. That's like saying Gyokko's fish aren't fish. Nakime's wood isn't wood. Susumaru's Temari's aren't Temari's.

3.4:The soundwave was already able to travel a far enough distance before the lightning bolts finish firing, which shouldn't be possible considering one is 1283 times faster than the other.

LMAO so let me get this straight, in point 3.3, you made the assertion that BDA's are not their actual properties, then IN THE NEXT POINT, YOU ASSUMED THE SOUNDWAVE WAS A NORMAL SOUNDWAVE???
That's just blatant biased agenda scaling.
Either the BDA's aren't their real counterparts or they are, which is it?
If the lightning isn't lightning, the soundwaves aren't soundwaves.
If the soundwaves are soundwaves, the lightning is lightning.

Anyway no they don't. We see the anime portray them as vastly different speeds. You can see the soundwaves travel, you can't see the lightning travel, it just instantly hits off screen.
Furthermore, Zohakuten's soundwaves would be significantly faster than standard soundwaves.
Soundwaves are affected by the medium they propagate through.
Denser mediums cause waves to be faster.

Tanjiro against Rui stated that his aura physically changed the air pressure and density around him.
This is consistent with the aura diffing that happens numerous times.
Zohakuten would scale laughably higher than Rui in that regard, and made a much more experienced Tanjiro unable to breathe and state his heart hurt. His aura would be drastically affecting the density & pressure. Furthermore, they're near hot springs & it's misty. More moisture = faster waves aswell.

3.4.2:The lightning already struck the ground by the time she mowed the surroundings. Even if you do argue that she did indeed hit the lightning, it's still an antifeat because it couldn't conduct through the sword and electrocute her.

It wouldn't have electrocuted her regardless. The handles are made of different material than nichirin.

3.5:It wouldn't make much sense using sound, wind, lightning and light in the same match, considering one has unquantifiable speed, one is mach 1, one is mach 1283(if what you guys make of it is true), and the other is mach 900,000(if what you guys make of it is true.).

Your vibe scaling doesn't matter in powerscaling. It doesn't matter what makes sense to you.


I'm just gonna ignore the Muichiro point cuz idc abt that one.

a.There's no proof for them having peak human reactions, so the assumed should be 1/60, not 1/220.

Except for the numerous times we've seen fodder demons utterly blitz human character. Like actual blitzes where they can't see them moving from sheer speed.
Or perhaps the numerous statements of demons as a whole being superior to humans in every way.
It's the entire narrative that demons are just baseline bare minimim stronger than normal humans.
9 year old Mitsuri was fodderizing sumo wrestlers in strength and that same Mitsuri gets fodderized in strength by legit any demon if we're being honest with ourselves.

a.Nothing says he triggered the bombs right away/triggered the first bomb. This is further reinforced by the fact that the bombs didn't explode right away in the anime.

"Explodes with the slightest friction"
The anime version would make Tengen faster because he'd be outspeeding the explosion even more

c.He used TNT as the default, when C4 is the default in the absence of proof for TNT being the default

Uh. C4 has a higher detonation velocity than TNT. You're currently upscaling the feat

Genya uses a shotgun, and the shotgun doesn't show any differences from normal shotguns, so Supersonic+(consistent with the rest of my scaling) at best

1. Not a normal shotgun, made of the fictional nichirin metal and shows both AP and durability vastly greater than any gun steel on planet Earth.
2. Nobody scales to his gun. He has only used it in 2 fights. The first one is Hantengu, who was stated to WANT to be beheaded. The second was Kokushibou, who effortlessly blitzed the bullets that were fired from behind him while he was completely off guard.

This is also negated by Kyojuro in the Gaiden deflecting literally hundreds of bullets from Hairo.

Gyomei uses sound to percieve(though i'm not gonna use this for obvious reasons.)

.
Guess Kyogai negs Gyomei since his attacks are soundspeed.
Or the random flute demon that Kyojuro faced on his very first ever mission as a slayer shown in the 2nd databook.
This is real consistent ay?

Muzan failed to dodge an explosion , before the drug, while also on high alert

. Spoiler alert, it's kinda hard to dodge something when you don't have anything to push off.
The same moment he would notice the explosion, he no longer stands on a solid floor.
He also verbatim stated he was not expecting Ubuyashiki to do anything like that.


Some stuff you've left out I've already covered but I'll mention even more stuff.

1. Slasher Demon mach 3
2. Akaza being straight up shown to throw 100 attacks simultaneously. Using the anime timeframe that shows out of character view, it happens in a few frames.
3. Daki outspeeding Tengen's explosions (anime even showed she didn't move until they were already going off)
4. Tengen skedaddling calc
And more I don't even care to name.


This CRT is bad. It's a hard no from me.

 

[AthelChan]

i wont believe on these downgrades until i see the fabled DS downgrade.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i wont believe on these downgrades until i see the fabled DS downgrade.

These has been CHEEKS for the past 5 crts

 

[Kaydee1648]

Supersonic+ for Genya, base Hashiras and the rest of the Demon Slayers

Transonic/Subsonic+ for mid tiers

Subsonic for low tiers in the verse

Superhuman for fodders in the verse

“Let’s just do this, because why not”

Yeah i’m gonna have to disagree FRA
Chariot’s thread is a myth at this point

 

[Thermor]

“Let’s just do this, because why not”

Yeah i’m gonna have to disagree FRA
Chariot’s thread is a myth at this point

Chariot also said he's gonna make a thread to debunk 6D dragon ball but it seems he only makes empty promises.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

“Let’s just do this, because why not”

Yeah i’m gonna have to disagree FRA
Chariot’s thread is a myth at this point

I’m more flabbergasted that 2 people somehow agreed to this mess

 

[Robo432343]

Chariot also said he's gonna make a thread to debunk 6D dragon ball but it seems he only makes empty promises.

yall dont have patience

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

yall dont have patience

He also did say keep asking him and it gets delayed by 3 days

 

[KnyRaizn]

Here's what happens when randoms from r/powerscaling come on vsbw thinking their debunks are even valid

 

[Mbpoops]

Bro linked back to reddit im crine

 

[KnyRaizn]

it feel like reddit users suddenly decided to make vs battle account and randomly try to downgrade this verse these days.

Because this is exactly what is happening, and on reddit there are even worst takes then this.

 

[KnyRaizn]

Bro probably migrated from there considering the args he has here LOL

There are even worse takes than these on Reddit. That site is full of idiotical stuffs.

 

[Machmatej]

i think this can be closed now.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Let's all try to remain respectful. These are just fictional characters at the end of the day.

 

[Icecreambread]

There is a LOT wrong here. For future reference, I would highly recommend actually looking up what the actual current scaling is rather than just scattershoting a bunch of already addressed topics before actually posting a CRT.


Zenitsu has no MHS+ calcs currently in use, and yes, everyone knows breathing styles are illusions.


Kaigaku’s lightning is not currently accepted as real lightning, that was removed a long time ago. None of the ratings are based on his lightning.


This completely ignores the entire basis for our standards on lightning feats.

Obviously no one is arguing that Hantengu’s lightning is actually just a really convenient spontaneous occurence of natural lightning. He is generating it via his BDA. That doesn’t matter. Getting lightning accepted as reao lightning is based on the determination of showing enough realistic properties of lightning such that we can assume other realistic properties of lightning are also implied (such as lightning speed).

Mitsuri can cut the lightning because she has a sword made of nichirin, a fictional metal that explicitly negates blood demon arts and their effects. Not because the lightning is for some reason tangible despite every indication to the contrary.

Meanwhile trying to use shockwaves and compressed sound waves to debunk lightning (putting aside the fact the lightning was travelling faster) ignores the fact that both of those phenomena are by definition faster than the speed of sound in normal atmosphere. Even putting aside the fact that demon auras are stated to make the air feel heavier Zohakuten’s sound waves are specifically called “compressed” - and sound travelling through air with a higher bulk modulus (a measure of incompressibility) yields a higher speed than sound through standard atmosphere.

As for the actual demonstration of lightning properties, we have already had an entire CRT on this exact topic which seems the OP hasn’t even read. But to quickly recap:

1) Lightning was shown to travel from sky to ground in several instances
2) Lightning obeys conduction and insulation rules (to the point it even becomes plot-relevant with Tanjiro using a demon’s foot as an insulator)
3) Lightning obeys grounding rules
4) Lightning causes muscle contractions and can cause unconscious
5) Lightning strikes with at least 1.6 billion joules on average (can splinter trees and damage characters with at least Building level durability)
6) Lightning demonstrates plausible speed, being shown as substantial even to characters who massively upscales from explicit SOS statements and other higher calcs
7) And of course, was actually called lightning several times


This calc was also rempved a long time ago. None of the current ratings are based on it.


This calc was scrapped and redone a long time ago.


This “debunk” completely ignores how physics works.

Detonation doesn’t start at a random delay for, what, cinematic effect? Particles in motion and chemical reactions don’t have a sense for dramatic timing I’m afraid.

Tengen’s bombs are explicitly stated to be triggered due to friction. Tengen is shown cutting all 3 bombs in gradual swings, one after the other.

Even if we didn’t literally see how he cuts them, assuming Tengen could cut them all at the exact same time via somehow growing an extra arm is a bold claim.

And pixel scaling is an accepted methodology on site (you would be very hard pressed to calculate much of anything without it) and in fact the pixel scaling in the accepted calculation uses a lowballed estimate for the size of the bombs to be conservative, all well within accepted practice. And TNT is the default as per our rules on explosives, as is already linked in the calc itself.


The timeframe for this calc is based on explicit statements for Kyogai - a lower moon 6 reject - to imply Muzan would be launching himself with “great force” in a genuine attempt to escape someone who just blitzed him would be slower that a lower moon 6 reject who is a dozen blitz gaps below either of them is patently absurd.



Alright I think these anti-feats really do deserve a discussion rule at this point.

These get constantly debunked in every single thread with no new arguments being raised.

First off, my respects to you for actually debunking the post instead of just saying it's ass.

That said:

"He is generating it via his BDA."

Which means that it isn't comparable to real lightning, correct?

"is based on the determination of showing enough realistic properties of lightning such that we can assume other realistic properties of lightning are also implied (such as lightning speed)."

In what world does having 3 (albeit 2 being debatable) lightning features equal assuming everything else as true and thus assuming it's lightning?

"Meanwhile trying to use shockwaves and compressed sound waves to debunk lightning (putting aside the fact the lightning was travelling faster)"

my point isn't that the sound is faster, it's that the lightning shouldn't be relative to it at all.

"ignores the fact that both of those phenomena are by definition faster than the speed of sound in normal atmosphere."

I sincerely don't believe you grasp how big ~1300x is.

For instance, that's about how big an ant is to a small studio apartment.

"Even putting aside the fact that demon auras are stated to make the air feel heavier"

that's fear inducement... do you really believe they're compressing the air from their sheer aura?

"Lightning was shown to travel from sky to ground in several instances"

Cite one of them.

And i don't mean just send me the chapter name, i want to see the panel/clip of it.

It originating offscreen doesn't mean it's sky to ground.

"and sound travelling through air with a higher bulk modulus (a measure of incompressibility) yields a higher speed than sound through standard atmosphere."}

I don't think that makes up for the ~1300x difference.

"As for the actual demonstration of lightning properties, we have already had an entire CRT on this exact topic which seems the OP hasn’t even read."

So i get dunked on for reading old CRTs, then when i don't read the CRTs, i still get dunked on.

i guess bro

"Lightning obeys conduction and insulation rules (to the point it even becomes plot-relevant with Tanjiro using a demon’s foot as an insulator)"

can you show this?

also skin, muscle and bone are all conductive

"Even if we didn’t literally see how he cuts them, assuming Tengen could cut them all at the exact same time via somehow growing an extra arm is a bold claim."

Sorry, but if you think Mitsuri's sword can reach this far then i don't know what to tell you.

Tengen cutting them at the same time isn't that far from whatever Gotouge has come up with.

"Lightning causes muscle contractions and can cause unconscious"

That's electrocution, not muscle contractions.

"Lightning strikes with at least 1.6 billion joules on average (can splinter trees and damage characters with at least Building level durability)"

Mfw the dura neg element does just that:

also is there a calc for it splintering the trees?

"Lightning demonstrates plausible speed, being shown as substantial even to characters who massively upscales from explicit SOS statements and other higher calcs"

Huh? I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to convey here...

"Detonation doesn’t start at a random delay for, what, cinematic effect? Particles in motion and chemical reactions don’t have a sense for dramatic timing I’m afraid."

Here too.

"Lightning obeys grounding rules"

And here. I couldn't find what you were talking about on the vswiki article for lightning feats.

"And of course, was actually called lightning several times"

Fair enough

"Tengen’s bombs are explicitly stated to be triggered due to friction. Tengen is shown cutting all 3 bombs in gradual swings, one after the other."

All of the cuts in the anime were at the exact same time, and the manga can't really show gradual swings..

"to imply Muzan would be launching himself with “great force” in a genuine attempt to escape someone who just blitzed him would be slower that a lower moon 6 reject who is a dozen blitz gaps below either of them is patently absurd."

Do you have any proof to back this up other than assumptions?

I'm not downplaying it to peak human speeds or whatever, but saying that the pieces travel at sound speed is simply insane.

"This “debunk” completely ignores how physics works."

Fiction in general ignores how physics works.

"And pixel scaling is an accepted methodology on site (you would be very hard pressed to calculate much of anything without it)"

I don't mean it as in "Pixelscaling should be banned forever", i mean it as in "pixelscaling shouldn't be used for artists known for being too inconsistent with sizes"(e.g. Oda.)

Anyways i'm not here to argue over the semantics of pixelscaling, i'm here to debunk MHS Demon Slayer

"and in fact the pixel scaling in the accepted calculation uses a lowballed estimate for the size of the bombs to be conservative"

"pixelscaling" and "lowballed" in the same sentence? What?

"Alright I think these anti-feats really do deserve a discussion rule at this point"

Also fair.

"Mitsuri can cut the lightning because she has a sword made of nichirin, a fictional metal that explicitly negates blood demon arts and their effects. Not because the lightning is for some reason tangible despite every indication to the contrary."

Actually this is incorrect, as we still see the lightning fall in the manga. Hantengu was lying.

 

[KnyRaizn]

Let's all try to remain respectful. These are just fictional characters at the end of the day.

Yes fictional characters and it's true but this is still debating, even if it just an hobby, if someone says "The BDA are fake, the lightning is fake" and then says that the sound bda is real sound for their own convenience is just dishonesty, and also ngl, is even cringe.

 

[Icecreambread]

Using a fictional metal ore called Nichirin that negates demon stuff


Wtf





No the lightning doesn't come from the bottom of the staff. In what world did you even interpret it as that.

Also you can't be serious about the color right

It being a Blood Demon Art isn't a disqualifier to anything. It still has properties of a real one.


Not how it works and also no one cares about reddit.


Ignoring how the lightning straight up travels faster than the shockwaves and @Epyriel response to it

Shockwaves aren't an anti-feat and nothing stops them from traveling faster


Head canon like you vibe scaling 80% of this CRT right? (Again who argued this???)


No it didn't. What are you on about.

Also anti feat to what????



The lightning causes muscle contractions/spasms/paralysis/electrocution



Tanjiro noticed that the lightning isn't conducting through the emotion clones' flesh, and exploited this by using the flesh as an insulator. Meaning that the lightning flows and conducts through other materials:


So one is unquantifiable. Another one is also unquantifiable. The lightning is lightning speed. And the last one isn't accepted as light speed. What is the issue?

"The lightning causes muscle contractions/spasms/paralysis/electrocution"

electrocution isn't specific to lightning, how do you not know this?

"Shockwaves aren't an anti-feat and nothing stops them from traveling faster"

I think you misinterpreted what i said.

OP said the explosion should travel at sound speed because it's relative to the shockwave, when they both have unquantifiable speed(do note that the so-called "explosion" does not have a shockwave.)

not to mention, in what world are shockwaves at least supersonic?

"Also anti feat to what????"

??

"Also you can't be serious about the color right"

None of these are neon red/blue as shown in the anime. the closest you can get is orange/purple.

"No the lightning doesn't come from the bottom of the staff. In what world did you even interpret it as that."

We can very clearly see it does from the example you gave for electrocution...

are you even listening to what you're saying?

"Tanjiro noticed that the lightning isn't conducting through the emotion clones' flesh, and exploited this by using the flesh as an insulator. Meaning that the lightning flows and conducts through other materials:"

Muscle, skin and bone are all conductive, the BDA just not working on the users flesh would be a more logical explanation.

 

[Icecreambread]

Yes fictional characters and it's true but this is still debating, even if it just an hobby, if someone says "The BDA are fake, the lightning is fake" and then says that the sound bda is real sound for their own convenience is just dishonesty, and also ngl, is even cringe.

same applies to you guys, assuming lightning is lightning speed but sound isn't sound speed

 

[Icecreambread]

Because this is exactly what is happening, and on reddit there are even worst takes then this.

Aren't you the guy spreading FTL country level DS metas on reddit? Pretty hypocritical to me

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Oh my lord bro is still trying to debunk lightning using color

 

[Icecreambread]

“Let’s just do this, because why not”

Yeah i’m gonna have to disagree FRA
Chariot’s thread is a myth at this point

Subsonic via scaling off tanjiro

Superhuman via scaling off, well, normal humans and athletic humans

Transonic via scaling off Kyogai

Supersonic+ Genya via being the weakest Hashira by far imo

Supersonic+ Demon Slayer Corps via being at least RELATIVE to the rest

Hypersonic Koku and marked Hashiras via all of them scaling off Muichiro's unmarked feat, which, with the mark, amps them up one Order of Magnitude

Koku scales there via scaling off 4 marked Hashiras

Supersonic+ base Hashiras via scaling off Muichiro

Hypersonic Muzan and Yoriichi via scaling off Kokushibo

 

[Icecreambread]

Oh my lord bro is still trying to debunk lightning using color

Still no reply to the rest of what i said btw

P.S.: Dunking on the new guy for not knowing how to format a post is not the way to go, especially knowing that i asked Antvasima how to format one, n bro just said "i think i shouldnt teach you how to type words and click a post button"

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yes fictional characters and it's true but this is still debating, even if it just an hobby, if someone says "The BDA are fake, the lightning is fake" and then says that the sound bda is real sound for their own convenience is just dishonesty, and also ngl, is even cringe.

Still, let's try our best to be respectful. This sort of behavior will only lead to even more negativity.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Aren't you the guy spreading FTL country level DS metas on reddit? Pretty hypocritical to me

Still no reply to the rest of what i said btw

Oh my lord bro is still trying to debunk lightning using color

Let's try to remain respectful pls.

same applies to you guys, assuming lightning is lightning speed but sound isn't sound speed

Well if the lightning and sound waves are both real, and both are being boosted due to demon blood art magic, nothing limits hantengu's sound waves to the speed of sound

 

[Icecreambread]

Let's try to remain respectful pls.

Well if the lightning and sound waves are both real, and both are being boosted due to demon blood art magic, nothing limits hantengu's sound waves to the speed of sound

Even if you take the lightning to be true or false, it can be amped in the same way it can scale under the average

no matter how you see it, it always has unquantifiable speed

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Bro genuinely ignored most of everything and just now saying shit

"Speed of sound is insane" dawg did you ever read the series

 

[Icecreambread]

Bro genuinely ignored most of everything and just now saying shit

"Speed of sound is insane" dawg did you ever read the series

""Speed of sound is insane" dawg did you ever read the series"

So you wildly interpret "great force" to transonic, and you're blaming it on me?

 

[KnyRaizn]

Aren't you the guy spreading FTL country level DS metas on reddit? Pretty hypocritical to me

This is VSBW not reddit, also is not my fault if nakime wakes up and decides to expand this whole thing in 3 frames

 

[KnyRaizn]

Still, let's try our best to be respectful. This sort of behavior will only lead to even more negativity.

Alr

 

[KnyRaizn]

same applies to you guys, assuming lightning is lightning speed but sound isn't sound speed

They gave you logical reasonings of why it can easily not be sound speed. Also u just agreed that u contradicted urself with this btw

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

"He is generating it via his BDA."

Which means that it isn't comparable to real lightning, correct?

Generating an emulation of natural elements is normal within fiction, and the wiki demands evidence that said elements at least follow some rules /show a set properties similar to their irl counterparts so a correlation can be made btw the 2 in terms of qualities enough for a quantification attempt to be realistic and accurate.

It being magic was never an automatic disqualifier, if it was lightning feats here wouldn't really exist, and neither would many other feats really, did you read the rules?

"is based on the determination of showing enough realistic properties of lightning such that we can assume other realistic properties of lightning are also implied (such as lightning speed)."

In what world does having 3 (albeit 2 being debatable) lightning features equal assuming everything else as true and thus assuming it's lightning?

A world where unrealistic certainty is treated as a bad logical analysis methodology, if the lightning shows multiple properties actual lightning bolts show it would be safe to assume and treat as actual lightning, if you want 100% confirmation it has every single listed property as well as the same speed at all to be convinced that's just preventing conclusions, even assuming you're not being disingenuous anyways

"Meanwhile trying to use shockwaves and compressed sound waves to debunk lightning (putting aside the fact the lightning was travelling faster)"

my point isn't that the sound is faster, it's that the lightning shouldn't be relative to it at all.

This is true, aside from the fact that it's arguable if it even is comparable at all, there is no reason to even assume the pressure waves were moving at speeds closer to sound in the first place.

"Even putting aside the fact that demon auras are stated to make the air feel heavier"

that's fear inducement... do you really believe they're compressing the air from their sheer aura?

The characters always describe the air as being heavy, I don't really see a reason as to why this wouldn't be true.

"Lightning was shown to travel from sky to ground in several instances"

Cite one of them.

And i don't mean just send me the chapter name, i want to see the panel/clip of it.

It originating offscreen doesn't mean it's sky to ground.

Where else would these be coming from?

"Lightning obeys conduction and insulation rules (to the point it even becomes plot-relevant with Tanjiro using a demon’s foot as an insulator)"

can you show this?

also skin, muscle and bone are all conductive

"Even if we didn’t literally see how he cuts them, assuming Tengen could cut them all at the exact same time via somehow growing an extra arm is a bold claim."

Sorry, but if you think Mitsuri's sword can reach this far then i don't know what to tell you.

It can, yes?
There is genuinely no reason it wouldn't be able to, and this doesn't really address his point at all dawg.

If anything we literally see how many slices he managed to do in the manga, visually, very easily 2.
And the calc accounts for that?

Tengen cutting them at the same time isn't that far from whatever Gotouge has come up with.

"Isn't far off" says who, you?

Explain how then rq, how did, in your version of the series, did Tengen "cut all bombs at the same time".

"Lightning causes muscle contractions and can cause unconscious"

That's electrocution, not muscle contractions.

Explain what you want to imply here?

"Lightning strikes with at least 1.6 billion joules on average (can splinter trees and damage characters with at least Building level durability)"

Mfw the dura neg element does just that:

What?

"Tengen’s bombs are explicitly stated to be triggered due to friction. Tengen is shown cutting all 3 bombs in gradual swings, one after the other."

All of the cuts in the anime were at the exact same time, and the manga can't really show gradual swings..

That's just to show speed dawg, holy **** the manga literally shows you the swings that took place, you genuinely just need to see them?

How does this not look like multiple cuts to you?

"to imply Muzan would be launching himself with “great force” in a genuine attempt to escape someone who just blitzed him would be slower that a lower moon 6 reject who is a dozen blitz gaps below either of them is patently absurd."

Do you have any proof to back this up other than assumptions?

I'm not downplaying it to peak human speeds or whatever, but saying that the pieces travel at sound speed is simply insane.

Because a lower moon reject who would get statued by any pillar ever has explicitly stated Transonic attacks and to imply Muzan's bits escaping from Yoriichi would be somehow slower than that is to be deliberately acting obtuse

"This “debunk” completely ignores how physics works."

Fiction in general ignores how physics works.

Ok, then...why the hell are we scaling at all?

If you want to ignore the common grounds and model we use to bridge all fictional settings together and quantify them with that excuse then don't bother powerscaling at all dawg.

Actually this is incorrect, as we still see the lightning fall in the manga. Hantengu was lying.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Let's try to remain respectful pls.

Well if the lightning and sound waves are both real, and both are being boosted due to demon blood art magic, nothing limits hantengu's sound waves to the speed of sound

I'm sorry I'm trying but the "Genya is the weakest hashira" in the OP is killing me rn