Demon Lover vs. Demon Slayer (Malori Crowett vs Doomguy)

[Jackythejack]

Very thematic. Malori was rushing up the tower to meet with Queen Velverosa when she realized things were off, with no demons to be seen. She quickly made it to the top and discovered Doomguy, threatening time hurt her queen. With no time to think, Malori spring into action!

Speed equal. Fight takes place in Velverosa's chamber (technically giving Malori a small advantage), and they start within range of each other. Doomguy has access to 9-B weaponry. Doomguy starts the match equipped with a shotgun but has his other weapons on him

Malori Crowett

Doomguy

 

[Mr. Bambu]

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[Jackythejack]

*******-

not what I meant

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I also reply

 

[Jackythejack]

''Y'all suck''

 

[Moritzva]

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Anyways, to be honest, Doomguy takes this pretty handily. Malori is a monstrously less bloodlusted opponent and definitely isn't likely to go for the kill off the bad, meanwhile, Doomguy is RIP AND TEAR incarnate. So, obvious difference in that department.

Given Malori's medeival age time when it comes to technology, she won't actually know what guns do, meaning she'll be at a critical disadvantage when Doomguy suddenly blasts her limbs off with a shotgun. Basically, she'll have no clue what to do. Meanwhile, Doomguy fights all manner of supernatural enemies constantly, and will very soon be treating Malori the same.

Malori has quite a fair bit of skill, but Doomguy is a whole different level of cunning, bloodlust, and battle-trained hardness that Malori just can't compete with, so I'm voting Doomguy.

 

[Jackythejack]

''You gotta admit its thematic at the very least''

 

[Jackythejack]

Actually wait does Malori one shot I have no idea

 

[Moritzva]

Probably not...? Doomguy has some upscaling and some pretty good feats, plus his weapons are all over the place, AP-wise.

 

[Jackythejack]

I guess? Wasn't sure how he'd contend with 6 MJ

 

[Jackythejack]

Bump

 

[Jackythejack]

Bump

 

[Drite77]

Doomguy FRA i guess

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Can I be honest and say I have no ******* idea what Doomguy's 9-B AP is? I know he has casual stuff like ripping a body to bits and crushing skulls but I genuinely do not know his exact value.

 

[Jackythejack]

Sounds like an issue

 

[Stalker_Maggot]

Doomguy scales to Pinky who warped a steel door and Imp who can destroy steel doors

 

[Jackythejack]

That is, uuuum....a lot stronger than I thought. That's 9-B+

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Doomguy scales to Pinky who warped a steel door and Imp who can destroy steel doors

I know they can do that in DOOM 2016, but don't remember that happening in the original.

 

[Drite77]

Aren't the demons rated the same in all games? I thought that only Dommguy/slayer changed tiers

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Aren't the demons rated the same in all games? I thought that only Dommguy/slayer changed tiers

Nope. Just look at the Pinky Page, it has keys for Pre- and Post-Reboot.

 

[Jackythejack]

I think ripping a person apart is around half a megajoule

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I think ripping a person apart is around half a megajoule

could be, in which case this is an absurd AP stomp. if we get confirmation on the pinky-tearing-apart-steel-doors feat being in the old games then its a stomp in the other direction. so a stomp either way.

 

[Jackythejack]

It wouldn't be a stomp with the iron doors thing. Malori is six megajoules after all.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That is, uuuum....a lot stronger than I thought. That's 9-B+

just realized you worded it like this.

so you made this expecting a huge AP advantage, eh? shameful

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So to be absolutely clear, assuming the 9-B+ stuff for Doomguy is legit...

Malori has home-field advantage, wide versatility in terms of power, can heal, and restore energy reserves...

...and Doomguy has a shotgun and roughly a 2.5x AP advantage. Okay, noted.

"Within range of each other". Does this mean within Shotgun range, since you specifically gave him that and it means his range is pretty low? If yes then that is another point for Doomguy.

Regarding mindset: is it valid to say Doomguy's constant bloodlust helps here? It was brought up earlier in the thread but I'd like to hear how the range + bloodlust actually affects Malori and her abilities.

 

[Jackythejack]

Target start within Malori's range at least. Not exactly shotgun range I think? Depends on its range. I just wanted to start Dg with a specific weapon. DG's bloodlust doesn't do anything to Malori. It just means he's more likely to go for a killing blow. Malori isn't nearly as violent but she is resourceful.

 

[Moritzva]

Malori is definitely not going to be going for a killing blow first, and most of Doomboy's weapons will absolutely blow her to shreds, which she will definitely not be expecting.

 

[Jackythejack]

I could give her prior knowledge about how guns work

 

[Moritzva]

If we're just going to modify the battle conditions to change the sway of battle, what's the point?

 

[Jackythejack]

I mean I don't think it'd change the sway of things it's just...let her dodge shit

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's a shotgun, it has shotgun range. Effective range is probably in the area of like... ten meters, tops. It ain't like his rocket launchers and guns, it's very short range. It's stronger than those guns, sure, but still.

 

[Jackythejack]

Then he's probably a bit out of range it seems

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Do you mean tens of meters, most shotguns have an affective range well past ten meters. What's her range anyways, all it says is tens of Meters.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Do you mean tens of meters, most shotguns have an affective range well past ten meters. What's her range anyways, all it says is tens of Meters.

This is DOOM my guy, it isn't a real shotgun

 

[Jackythejack]

I dunno the exact range my guy

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

You're right it isn't a real shotgun but unless you have the specifics on the range of the DOOM shotgun we should Assume the average range of a real life shotgun.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

You're right it isn't a real shotgun but unless you have the specifics on the range of the DOOM shotgun we should Assume the average range of a real life shotgun.

I have a specific estimation. About ten meters max. Source: about 150 hours on DOOM multiplayer. You can't even damage an enemy across a decently sized room, much less "tens of meters".

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

If the super shotgun (which has less range) is put at tens of meters then this one should be to. If that sounds dumb to you make a CRT.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If the super shotgun (which has less range) is put at tens of meters then this one should be to. If that sounds dumb to you make a CRT.

I'll do you one better.

Here's a video since you don't seem to know how the shotgun in DOOM works. About ten seconds in he takes a shot from less than ten meters away at a Cacodemon and confound it, wouldn'tcha know it, it does zero damage.

 

[Jackythejack]

So yes, there's a range advantage for Malori at the start