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Having eggs that become timelines falls perfectly in "creating time".
Manipulating time and setting it in motion is meaningless.
Manipulating time and setting it in motion is meaningless.
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Demigra Ability Revisions
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They are set as two completely different things from the links shown. It's shown he controls time, as himself, not by his eggs but of course his eggs hold time for timelines as well. There's also the fact that Buu is time immemorial and Beerus has been around longer than that.
Anyway. That's part of Blue's argument and not a part of mine so Blue can continue talking about that. I'm just focused on the abilities agreed upon and if they can be added.
Anyway. That's part of Blue's argument and not a part of mine so Blue can continue talking about that. I'm just focused on the abilities agreed upon and if they can be added.
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So as Ant is suggesting, can the abilities I and Blue mentioned above (with scans) be added?
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Accepted: BFR, Clairvoyance, Resistance to mind manipulation, magic, and time stop, Limited Matter manipulation Telepathy, Pocket dimensions (No one questioned it), void manipulation and emphatic manipulation i'm pretty sure weren't questioned and accepted
I can add the accepted ones if needed
I can add the accepted ones if needed
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Uh, hold off Void Manipulation isn't.
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Trying to slip in that denied power huh?
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? You didn't rebuttle it after I gave the translated scan for it? https://imgur.com/a/Scv1G
Demigra created a castle, which Chronoa said, while you can see it, isn't actually there, and is like a mirage
Demigra created a castle, which Chronoa said, while you can see it, isn't actually there, and is like a mirage
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That isn't Void Manip...
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He created a castle that , while you can see it doesn't actually exist/ isn't actually there, and is like a mirage. What is creating non-existence considered then? lol. Power of non-existence according to the void manipulation page is void manipulation
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Illusion Creation. I'm pretty sure he didn't literally mean the house is non-existent, and the fact that it labeled as a mirage furthers this.
Illusion Creation. I'm pretty sure he didn't literally mean the house is non-existent, and the fact that it labeled as a mirage furthers this.
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Also where is Empathic Manipulation.
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It isn't an illusion.Assaltwaffle said:
Chronoa specifically said it isn't actually there, therefore non-existent. Furthermore, he connected it to the Crack of Time. A simple illusion cannot be connected to the CoT. She said it's "like" a mirage, not that it actually is one
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https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/AXbinLnUo7
^It takes you to another scan as well and in the comments showed the evil in the space-time door needed to be purified (The space-time being filled with evil)
https://imgur.com/a/qXafT
https://fyeahdemigra.tumblr.com/post/147819348639/demigra-and-the-squads-cards-from-the-dbh
His ability challenging attitude changes the heart of those with pure heart to evil hearts
^It takes you to another scan as well and in the comments showed the evil in the space-time door needed to be purified (The space-time being filled with evil)
https://imgur.com/a/qXafT
https://fyeahdemigra.tumblr.com/post/147819348639/demigra-and-the-squads-cards-from-the-dbh
His ability challenging attitude changes the heart of those with pure heart to evil hearts
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Demigra's mind manipulation is far different than his challenging attitudes ability. It is emphatic manipulation since he is changing their attitude and making them feel evil in their heart
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That sounds a bit like morality manipulation to me.
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"Making someone pure of heart evil" can very well mean Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation or even Madness ManipulationZenkaibattery1 said:
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Well, the ability is called "Challenging (ones) attitude" so, challenging how they feel. But yeah, I can see it as Madness manipulation or morality manipulation as well. Anyway there is that and the feat in the first scan + again it isn't illusion creation. Since she said it is non-existent, and to explain it to Trunks said it's "like" a mirage, so it isn't actually a mirage. Her words of it not actually being there is the dominant factor in the statement. The mirage part was to make Trunks understand it
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I'll quit arguing for Type 5 for the sake of time but does being a natural inhabitant of a realm outside the flow of time grant some sort of Time manipulation resistance? (Just a question)
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An illusion isn't there and doesn't truly exist. A desert doesn't have Void Manipulation for it. Until you get more aubstantial evidence that just isn't enough to warrant Void Manipulation, especially with that being such a powerful ability.
An illusion isn't there and doesn't truly exist. A desert doesn't have Void Manipulation for it. Until you get more aubstantial evidence that just isn't enough to warrant Void Manipulation, especially with that being such a powerful ability.
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Bump for the additions of the abilities.
On a side note, we recently received confirmation from The Supreme Kai of Time that the Demon Realm exists outside the flow of time. She said she was going to join the Demon Realm outside the Flow of Time forever.
Since we know that the Demon Realm exists apart from time, history and the flow of time and possibly even predates the multiverse, would the natural inhabitants get Time Stop resistance or infinite speed? A genuine question. And if not can someone elaborate? (the requirements for infinite speed are all over the place)
On a side note, we recently received confirmation from The Supreme Kai of Time that the Demon Realm exists outside the flow of time. She said she was going to join the Demon Realm outside the Flow of Time forever.
Since we know that the Demon Realm exists apart from time, history and the flow of time and possibly even predates the multiverse, would the natural inhabitants get Time Stop resistance or infinite speed? A genuine question. And if not can someone elaborate? (the requirements for infinite speed are all over the place)
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@Bluetrekking
May be best to wait until the next infinite speed revision inevitably happens.
May be best to wait until the next infinite speed revision inevitably happens.
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@Antvasima everything in the OP with the exception of Type 5 immortality has been accepted. Void Manipulation isn't accepted, and I'm unsure if empathic manipulation has been accepted.
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I can do it.
EDIT: Nevermind, It's getting really late from where I'm at.
EDIT: Nevermind, It's getting really late from where I'm at.
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"A desert" isn't a good comparison though. This was something Demigra created which Chronoa considered non-existent. In other threads in partains to DB upgrades we weren't allowed to mention anything out of DB to try get the upgrades through so I think it's fair if nothing else outside of DB is brought up here.Assaltwaffle said:
Demigra, according to Chronoa, who is argubly the most useful source in the non-canon games stated the castle that Demigra created, was non-existent. Therfore creating a non-existent castle. She clearly stated that it is like a mirage. Not that it is a mirage. If it was a simple mirage, she would have outright stated it is one, ike she has done with actual illusions Demigra has created, like his clones. Furthermore, a simple illusion wouldn't just out of the blue be connected to the crack of time.
What is the stance on Emphatic manipulation in partains to the scans above. Both the challenging attitudes abilities and filling a space-time with evil?
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I'm done with the edits.
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@Ant Zenkai still wanted to discuss Empathic /Morality Manipulation.
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The castle still just isn't going to work for me. It makes zero sense to create non-existence, and the line sounds like it is still a mirage. I haven't been convinced.
As for empathic manipulation, that was because he filled everything with evil, correct? If so this will need some serious context to make work. Hitler filled Germany with evil; it doesn't mean he free-form manipulated the aspect of evil. Also evil isn't an emotion, it is part of a dualistic nature and is generally considered a concept. I am against this unless I have it wrong.
The castle still just isn't going to work for me. It makes zero sense to create non-existence, and the line sounds like it is still a mirage. I haven't been convinced.
As for empathic manipulation, that was because he filled everything with evil, correct? If so this will need some serious context to make work. Hitler filled Germany with evil; it doesn't mean he free-form manipulated the aspect of evil. Also evil isn't an emotion, it is part of a dualistic nature and is generally considered a concept. I am against this unless I have it wrong.
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@assalt wouldn't that be morality manipulation instead of empathic manipulation?
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Either Morality or Concept Manip, and that is assuming that he literally filled everything with the actual essence of evil and didn't just cause evil things to happen.
Either Morality or Concept Manip, and that is assuming that he literally filled everything with the actual essence of evil and didn't just cause evil things to happen.
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