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Demigra Ability Revisions

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@Matthew you sure about that?? Cause that's exactly what demigra said in the scans.
 
Like, Demigra's statement doesn't really mean anything. It is not proof of "I point at you and your body and soul are gone" Existence Erasure. It makes much more sense to assume he'd do it with Time Manipulation.
 
Yes..... it is? Dragonmasterxyz seemed to see them all without issue. There are links within the links and more than one photo within them
 
I addressed all your links and saw nothing of what you were saying. Dragonmasterxyz was addressing the OP. Everlasting also said to me he finds you're wanking
 
And I addressed (replied) to what you said after that. Theglassman12 can see everything apparently. It would be better if you replied to them in the "1 2" format
 
I'll chime in and say the context seems to imply that he erases you by some other fashion. If he could just erase the dude, DO it. If he has true EE just point and make him go by-by. I think it is definitely indicating he can paradox/time manip someone out of existence if given the chance.

Still, it could be mentioned that he can remove someone's timeline, although not while in combat. Still a good way to finish off regenerating Low-Godlies.
 
Here is what I replied with to your reply


"1) First scan shows all the statements "I will erase your miserable life from history" "When I'm through with you, you will have never existed" "I won't leave a speck of you behind, I will erase you from this world!" The 2nd one is also about erasing via sealing in time shackle. The third one is translated.

2) I'm sorry. But where am I talking about the "Fought in the void" argument fpr infinite speed? No where in this entire thread did I mention that? All I said was (If the OP one is accepted) it would apply to the other demon gods. Only void thing I brought up was void manipulation (Creating a castle that doesn't exist translated: https://imgur.com/a/Scv1G) and then I brought up emphatic manipulation via filling a time space with evil (https://imgur.com/a/qXafT)

3) The decaying as stated by kai is done by minus ki and oceanus shenron said it's the same as Dark ki (The ki the demons use).

4) The crystals are used to represent different points in history (timelines). When it goes into a crystal it says the "age" (timeline) that that is: https://youtu.be/cdoetL_3J34?t=195

without him we wouldn't have any of the scans for heroes in this wiki. No need to be rude" And of course, 1 admin so far who finds the immortality fine. Idk what Everlastings thoughts are after Blue gave a scan to back it up
 
I think that Matthew seems to make sense.
 
the EE is time yes and type 5 is vague but i think the others seem fine
 
Bluetrekking said:
If that's the case, I'll remove EE from the OP.
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Add in the Emphatic manipulation and Void manipulation as I have given the scan and the translations for it. As well as the lifitng timelines Also. I do not see how type 5 is "vague". It is clearly shown to not be in time nor history itself (Scrolls off time is blank), with the literal God of time backing it up by saying it doesn't exist in history. 2 scans are showing and stating the exact same thing about it not exisitng.
 
Demigra created the Demon Realm (along other people, but whatever), he wasn't born in it. AT max that qualifies as Void Manipulation by vreating a nonexistent realm.
 
@DMB You see, that's where the problem arises. It is stated that evil wizards created the Demon Realm when they were sealed in a void. It never stated Demigra.

If we were to assume that it was Demigra, it would screw up/retcon massive parts of the DBX/DBH timeline.

In any case, we know Demigra predates time... so there's that.
 
Bluetrekking said:
@DMB You see, that's where the problem arises. It is stated that evil wizards created the Demon Realm when they were sealed in a void. It never stated Demigra.
If we were to assume that it was Demigra, it would screw up/retcon massive parts of the DBX/DBH timeline.

In any case, we know Demigra predates time... so there's that.
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In Geekdom101's video, he says that he was of the wizards.
 
I'm meh with all the current arguments pro and against the additions, though I think Goku's statement of mind manip would at most, warrant a "Possibly Mind Manipulation Resistance" given even Goku is not sure.
 
@Somebody Demigra confirms it is because of Super Saiyan God that he can't control Goku. "Thats right, super saiyan god.... curses!" The Future Warrior, who didn't have God-Ki had trouble breaking out while Goku was basically immune because of God-Ki. The same happened when Demigra tried to control Beerus. So it is because of God-ki.

These are the abilities most people in this thread are currently fine with, I think they can be added rn tbh

Limited matter manipulation (Being a former Kai), Telepathy (former kai), Clairvoyance (Diviation orb https://imgur.com/a/s2AVH), Resistance to Mind manipulation (God-Ki https://imgur.com/a/HjJuL), Resistance to Time stop (Towa stopping the multiverses time didn't do jack to Demigra https://imgur.com/gallery/uekb2), Emphatic manipulation (Can fill space-times with evil thoughts https://imgur.com/a/qXafT also, his ability "Challenging attitude" changes forces those with a pure heart to turn evil https://fyeahdemigra.tumblr.com/post/147819348639/demigra-and-the-squads-cards-from-the-dbh), Void manipulation (Created a castle which chronoa said, while you can see it, doesn't actually exist and is like a mirage https://imgur.com/a/Scv1G), BFR (Sent beat back in time and sent Chronoa to the Crack of Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YqUZABrrhI&t=763&app=desktop https://imgur.com/a/ZFJZw), pocket dimensions (Most time breakers can as shown in the scan. I'll link a youtube video for it if needed of them doing it https://imgur.com/gallery/aWih6)

Things being discussed:

Immortality and speed

Decay inducement
 
Oh ok. I'll edit that out. But since people said it's time manipulation by taking him out in every moment of time it should be mentioned in his profile
 
Well, from what I am reading from replies, including yours, that is what was suggest (time manipulation). But ok. Time paradoxing.
 
@Dragon @Ever @Assalt

Can the objective ones be added to get them out of the way? I can add them in if needed
 
So, should we apply the changes that were accepted by Matthew, discard the rest, and then close this thread?
 
The ones that have gotten translations now and can be added:

Limited matter manipulation (Being a former Kai), Telepathy (former kai), Clairvoyance (Diviation orb https://imgur.com/a/s2AVH), Resistance to Mind manipulation (God-Ki https://imgur.com/a/HjJuL), Resistance to Time stop (Towa stopping the multiverses time didn't do jack to Demigra https://imgur.com/gallery/uekb2), Emphatic manipulation (Can fill space-times with evil thoughts https://imgur.com/a/qXafT also, his ability "Challenging attitude" effects peoples heart and makes changes their attitude, making them evil. https://fyeahdemigra.tumblr.com/post/147819348639/demigra-and-the-squads-cards-from-the-dbh), Void manipulation (Created a castle which chronoa said, while you can see it, doesn't actually exist and is like a mirage https://imgur.com/a/Scv1G. He connected his castle to the Crack of time so connected non-existence with existence), BFR (Sent beat back in time and sent Chronoa to the Crack of Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YqUZABrrhI&t=763&app=desktop https://imgur.com/a/ZFJZw), pocket dimensions (Most time breakers can as shown in the scan. I'll link a youtube video for it if needed of them doing it https://imgur.com/gallery/aWih6)

Existence erasure has been rejected but should be noted in his profile he can time paradox

Immortality and speed should still be discussed though imo. Blue had brought up new arguments which haven't been addressed. But for now the abilities listed above can be added

Edit: Time manipulation needs to be added on Towas profile by the way, as she stopped the flow of time in the multiverse
 
What do the rest of the staff think?
 
For type 5, I believe that it should be still valid for the following reason:

Consistency
Not only do we have a statement that states the Demon Realm is nonexistent, but we are even physically shown that it is not a part of history or time.

Even if you do not believe it is nonexistent, we at least have 100% confirmation that it exists outside of time.

It also consistent with the fact that the Demon Realm was created before Demigra who predates Tokitoki who created time and whose existence sets time into motio
 
Predating time does not sound like type 5 immortality, going by the definition: "Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them."

It sounds more like being unaffected by the passage of time, i.e. type 1/Eternal Life.
 
That isn't Type 5, I'm sorry. At best they are from a realm that predates the multiverse, or exists outside the flow of its time. That doesn't make themselves beyond time altogether.
 
I should also mention that "sets time in motion" and "creates the universe's time" (Which doesn't even seem literal and probably referring to how Toki-Toki's eggs become timelines) doesn't suddenly mean "Toki-Toki created time period".

Unless Buu and Beerus are suddenly older than time.
 
Buu is time immemorial, and in Xenoverse, Beerus said majins are babies in arms compared to him. Demigra is around the same age as Chronoa who's been around longer than Beerus and Toki-Toki. Isn't predating time itself infinite speed however?

Apart from that, can the abilities be added?
 
@Ever

Toki-Toki setting time in motion and creating universes time and such are different things and does not apply to his eggs becoming timelines in any way whatsoever

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/6Hcf1ikKrag

Creates time

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/FSrFdqasKuu

Controls time

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/iaDXNTEA8eY

Sets time in motion

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/M5turTxs4wj

His eggs create time and timelines
 
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