Deku tries to join the Avengers

[Nierre]

Deku would 100% shrug off a hit and hit back, did you not see him do that against Shinso, Bakugo, Gentle, and his broken bones? There is no damage Iron Man can inflict via a punch that Deku wouldn't take and give back, according to their profile, even harder.

^^ THIS right here. Iron Man isn't going to do any damage that Deku wouldn't be able to shrug off. Especially H2H.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

@King MK 41 isn't his newest model now but it's one of his newest armors.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Well, at the time it performed that cross country feat, it was his newest model with his absolute best tech, right? How can you compare that to mark 6, the very first suit with the reactor?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes you're correct on that. The difference in tech between one model and the next tends to be notable as shown with the MK 6 and MK 7.

 

[KingEzran]

I can't meme anymore about him FRA

Who?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Iron Man

 

[Newendigo]

No not really, first a new armor, not a different arc reactor, second it was malfunctioning prototype that could barely maintain itself assembled properly, and was heavily damaged in after it got Stark's house fall over it.

I will counter the rest of the points later.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Isn't just flying the least taxing of Iron Man's abilities anyway? Here, he's going to be shooting repulsor rays, flashes, missiles, sound attacks AND flying. How long can he do that before the suit goes down? Fighting seems to tax his suits far more than flying, so isn't comparing a not only immensely superior armor, but also a feat that would be the least taxing on said armor, not applicable in this case?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Actually, looking at mark 6, isn't it designed for close combat fights anyway? Would Tony even range spam with it? In the fight with both the hammer drones and Ivan, despite being able to fly, he just stayed on the ground and brawled them to death with his hands, rays and missiles. He tried to fly vs Ivan, but stayed on the ground and tried tackling him after it didn't work a single time.

 

[Newendigo]

Never, was ever mentioned a difference between flying or shooting, or moving, in any point, in any way. He used repulsor blast and flight in each one of Avengers films, and had no issue with battery. Why firing missiles would cost energy? Lol no.

Never mentioned that as well, he blasted the drones and only dispached them physically when those got up close, he got rid of each one of with a range attack anyway. He stop using range when Whiplash took them on casually, War Machine also tried an only annoyed Ivan, they only took him out due to side effects of the combined repulsor blasts.

Both assumptions are baseless.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Isn't that how energy works though? The more he uses his suit, the more energy it uses. So fighting would require more energy than flying because he's using more parts of his suit. So comparing a flight trip to a fight doesn't exactly work because in one case, he's focused on a single function, while in the other he's focused on several. So we're right back to the question of "how long does the mk 6 suit last."

Yeah, but he stayed on the ground that entire fight. This whole debate, it's been assumed Tony would be flying the whole time, but he doesn't seem to fight like that in this suit. He stays on the ground and shoots rays/missiles, then uses cqc when he's close to his opponent. That's a pretty big shift from flying and range spamming. I can argue either stance, but that seems like a pretty big combat shift.

Neither of these assumptions were baseless, I even gave reasons as to why I brought them up.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Right how long was the flight in question?

 

[Newendigo]

How does it last? I already told you, flew through several hours in heavily damaged suit, if you want to really keep pushing this argument, fly would take a lot energy because he basically firing nonstop stop repulsor blast from for 4 repulsor nodes, which from a perspective it the same as flying around and range spaming nonstop.

No that just meant that range spamming was either unnecerary or useless in those occasions, this is not excluse for Mark 6 as he has switched between CQC and range when one is has not worked. He is just adaptive.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I'm asking for an exact time. If you can't give it then I'll assume 3 hours as his limit which is lower than Deku's.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

But that was from a vastly superior model, 35 versions after. Mark 6 should have absolutely terrible energy conservation by comparison. A genius like Tony will have heavily modified and enhanced the design of the suit that many models in, and even just his mk 7 suit seems superior to mk 6 in every way. So why should a mk 41 feat scale to mk 6?

So he would fight Deku with cqc a few times? Because he loses in cqc, the suit is no where near as mobile as Deku. And if he retreats to range, then we literally go right back to the current arguments, which is range spam stalling each other out.

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

Bumping this.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

So far, this match is just range spam and dodge until someone does something different. Deku has ways of getting to IM, and has better AP/Dura, so he still has my vote.

 

[KingEzran]

bump

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Again, there is nothing in this version of Iron Man's suit that Deku hasn't seen before or can't deal with. Repulsor rays get aim dodged, missiles get blown up before even reaching him, sound attacks get tanked through. If Tony ever comes in close for cqc, he gets his ass handed to him by Deku's superior movement and stats. Deku can also just force himself to Tony with Black Whip and his pseudo flight.

It's either range spam stall on both sides, which I'm not yet convinced Iron Man can stalemate, or Deku wins and becomes an Avenger.

 

[Newendigo]

Mah, will switch to Deku FRA, since Tony is getting way to many victories.