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Deku fights a Hero Killer
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Mapl3Sy4up
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ITS A DAMN FAMINE OUT HERE
Mapl3Sy4up
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Bro can’t even write 6 paragraphs on demand, what was he cooking
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Lol he’s trying his best
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Ihwa actually has ways to deal with both of these abilities, which I will begin explaining below.
First off, Ihwa has comparable(somewhat) combat skills to Engen, a character within Hero Killer who can fight against Chaos, a Hero who can predict movements by recording every single detail about a person from the past, predicting their movements with such accuracy he can see the future, to such an extent even Engen actually believed that Chaos was literally peering into the future. This allows Chaos to face off against two opponents while avoiding danmaku attacks and fending off against another opponent with supreme accuracy.
Engen, literally a few moments after this, was able to read Chaos' reading of his future via reading his past and present movements, and was able to immediately defeat him afterward. Ihwa is not 100% comparable to Engen's skills in such a manner, I will confirm this, but she is not incomparable either.
For dealing with Danger Sense, its weakness is that it does not work on those who do not have any real killing intent towards him, yes? Ihwa is capable of hiding and controlling her intent, so, while she may act to kill or harm Deku, she may very well bare no malice or intent to kill towards him.
I will admit that Deku has higher AP than Ihwa(I am very much confused on his scaling, though), so, that I concede. But, Ihwa also has her own form of Awakened Power and Accelerated Development, this allows her to jump several tiers at a time, specifically, she was able to jump from 9-A up to 8-B in an instant.
Also, her mobility is nothing to scoff it, I kid you not. Even as a child she can hop off the air and jump several meters and city blocks, so even with his ability to fly she should have comparable mobility with Deku.
Smokescreen should not delay Ihwa's vision. As stated on the profile, she can sense she was being attacked from over 2,000 yards away, so even through the smokescreen she would sense Deku's attack prior and take efforts to avoid it.
I do not believe I need to give this part of your post a proper response.
Mapl3Sy4up
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For this
Ihwa is far worse than Engen, outright. As someone who has read the manhwa she isn’t comparable by a longshot.
Literally Someone Engen skills stomped with his eyes closed beat her. Downscaling isn’t even worth it at that point
That isn’t how DS works.
The only example is far is Toga, and while she did have intent to harm the reason it didn’t trigger was because she was so deluded into thinking that was how you show love that she truly did not think it was actually harming him
8% just scales to 41.11
And my hero characters also have awakened power, Deku literally held his dusted arm Together long enough to pull off 4 100% smashes in an earlier key, when just 1 is enough to turn his entire arm into literal play dough and make it worthless for the rest of his fight, because he wanted to save 1 kid, he’s going to go far beyond Plus Ultra for this
Also that was through power awakening, something Engen specifically was trying to draw out in that moment, so I don’t know how reliable it is to say that she can just do it again here
not here to disagree on this one, ***** just impressive
She’d need specific senses to go through smoke, so unless she’s shown the ability before she can’t do it here via assuming
azontr
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I'll agree to disagree with you then, I don't think Ihwa and Engen are incomparable completely in skills, and Engen didn't skill stomp Jintae Yang(I know that's who you're talking about), it was an AP thing.
Also, even if you would say that Ihwa is not comparable to Engen, she's definitely above Chaos in sheer skills.
"This isn't how it works" is not an argument. This is how it is explained on his profile in his weakness' section.
This isn't really a metric or a coherent explanation of any sorts. I don't know what you expect me to take from this.
Engen specifically trying to draw it out is irrelevant to the fact that gift users, especially Ihwa, can awaken high amounts of strength when put into stressful situations, if she's put into a spot where she's being pushed or somehow having her life threatened she will most likely awaken again. It's how the power system works.
No, you don't. Being able to sense the attack through the obstruction even if she can't actually see through the obstruction is enough to dodge.
Mapl3Sy4up
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Chaos’s skill doesn’t make his predictions based off sheer skill, it’s memorization and the such
Saying she’s above him in skill doesn’t automatically give her his pattern recognition
I gave you why Toga was able to get around in, it was out of delusion not an intent to hurt him or not harm him
Class 1-A was genuinely trying to help him and cause no harm to him, that’s why they didn’t proc it either
If Ihwa is trying to injure or kill him, no matter how good at hiding her intent is, it’s going to proc, because the quirk is reading actions and what’s behind them or the thought of “I’m going to punch him to hurt him” even just “I’m going to punch him” should work
Toga’s would fall under “I’m going to stab him because he’ll look so cute covered in blood” and other such things which are being fueled not out of a desire to hurt him or kill him but out of her version of love. Similarly class 1-A were trying to actually get him to take care of himself and stop putting the weight of the whole world on his shoulders
That boku no my hero characters also have limiters they can break, also gaining exponential power on the brink of death
Problem being that killing isnt the be all end all win con for Deku, he can go for incapacitation, which is exactly what he’ll do following his character.
Engen put her in a situation in which she believed she would die if she did not awaken, that’s how it happened.
And we see how the process worked, it happened with Jade’s because she’s so familiar with it, versus battle rules doesn’t let us assume that she can awaken another one just because she has it and she’s near death, it would need to be explicitly stated what ability, how it would work, etc etc.
Like with S&S it is not illogical to assume she can rule that “[Insert name here] Will stop breathing” but we can’t do that because it’s not one she has been shown to use
less for attacks more for Deku being unable to be seen
gives him time to gather the one tap potentia (Fa-jin)
azontr
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His fighting style correlates with his retrocognitive analytical prediction abilities, and the abilities go hand in hand in forming his fighting style. It substantiates his skill.
That isn't how it's explained on the profile. In fact, the profile seems to favor my interpretation over yours, so I won't be considering this as valid.
I never said she'd awaken another gift, so I will kindly request that you refrain from putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that if put into a situation where she believes she will be killed, putting her into a situation where she will be determined to overcome her opponent, Deku, she will go through an awakening similar to the awakening she went through when she went through the awakening of Jade's Gift.
I will NOT assume this will manifest in a way not shown, I will NOT assume she will go through an awakening with a completely random gift that she has barely any familiarity with. I am making completely logical deductions based on what Ihwa has shown to do in the series.
She'd sense he's stationary while charging said attack, first of all, and second of all she can simply blow away the smoke with her AoE electricity attacks.
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That means she can get around someone who’s analytical prediction is pattern based, not Deku’s who in a weaker key
1. Going around it without giving a proper rebuttal is conceding not winning
2. The profile doesn’t mean everything. That’s it’s base, surface level explanation, thats like me say Ihwa has no possibly way of summoning axe blades because she never has shown them, Greymans gift explicitly states ALL bladed weaponry so that would be a stupid point, but that’s the same thing here. I’d grab you the manga panel of Hikage (original user of Danger Sense) using danger sense to dodge a friendly pat on the back, but the picture turns up dead
Unless she can double awakening a gift it’s highly unlikely no gift has been stated to have that much familiarity as Jade’s, that’s the explicit reason has to why only his was viable for awakening
Fa-Jin is charged in a number of ways, repeated actions, is the statement.
running, jumping, dodging, attacking with physical strikes, all of those can charge fa-jin
azontr
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Every form of analytical prediction is in some way or another based on the opponent's patterns, so this is an irrelevant point to begin with.
Stop putting things into my mouth. It's very annoying.
Then give me evidence, like I have of my claims, of these situations you have proposed about Deku's Danger Sense, and I will believe you and change my stance. Simple.
This isn't an argument nor does it even address my point, in fact you blatantly ignore how the series' power system works by making a point like this. There's no "double awakening", it's just "awakening", it's general for all gift users and there's no limit onto how many times it can happen for a single gift.
This is worse, as Ihwa would just sense him moving to charge Fa Jin and intercept his attacks before he fully releases the stored up power.
Mapl3Sy4up
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Chaos’s pattern based recognition is through analyzing moves that happened in the past and applying them to now, even if they’ve changed
Deku’s in JT is based off of a few seconds of combat from an opponent who blitzed all of his classmates and himself
This is final act Deku, who’s far smarter and better at his predictions
I didn’t you said you’d just ignore it.
Let me go find the chapters then
Is that a stated thing or what? When I said double awakening it wasnt a term in an of itself, it was a literal question of “can you double awakening a gift” I haven’t gotten the newest.
Then he releases part of it and dodges, he doesn’t need to release it all at once
Mapl3Sy4up
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MHA chapter 320 page 15 gives why class 1-A doesn’t set off danger sense
MHA Chapter 304 page 6 shows Hikage dodging attacks that should be no real danger outside of diagoro trying to catch him
MHA chapter 347 shows Toga bypassing it through sheer affection
Mapl3Sy4up
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Well I’ve given you the information to see it if you won’t check then that’s not my problem, we’ll just treat it as neutralI don't plan to actually read the chapters bro
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Alright so first off, no, she does not scale to Engen’s skill. The **** are you on.
Secondly, she does not have Chaos’s whatever ability, and even if she did, it would not help because Deku’s predictions are way faster and don’t need any time beyond seeing an attack to work. Only time “pattern recognition” was a problem for Deku was against Gentle, who he fought for about 1 minute and said was literally impossible to predict, then could instantly deduce the exact placement, size and range of his invisible air barriers, so accurately that he could snipe a miniscule gap between them at the perfect angle to bounce an Air Force shot off of one of them and hit Gentle.
That is the worse Deku who gets stomped by the one Ihwa is fighting. He would realize she’s trying to read him or counter his predictions, and would counter hers back, same way he did Nagant. Except even easier because she has no answer at all to him now having Danger Sense on top of his predictions.
Third, the awakened power argument is irrelevant, idk why that’s being brought up. She is not being put in a situation that would force her to evolve nor does she seemingly have anything that can evolve in a manner that we know of. Saying “she’ll awaken her power though!” And not saying what it would even do is essentially worthless.
Fourth, she is not predicting Fa Jin. The aura is visible, so she doesn’t need to take a long time to realize what it is, but she can’t stop him from using it at all. A twitch of his foot is enough to activate the amp and she’s still contending with his Danger Sense before anything. So she’d try to stop Fa Jin just for Deku to dodge and use it to kick her in the head with a speed amp, then kick her again because he can store multiple charges of it.
Five, yes, Danger Sense isn’t only intent based. It’s based on “danger” as well as “malice”. It didn’t work on Toga because she had no intent at all beyond her love for him, and it didn’t work on 1A because none of them were trying to hurt him in the first place. Ihwa is actively trying to kill him, out of nothing but wanting to kill him. She wouldn’t even know to hide her intent from him because she doesn’t know he even has Danger Sense.
Also, that scan you posted isn’t even “hiding intent” like Danger Sense picks it up, nor does that seem combat applicable unless she does that mid-fight to get the drop on people.
Also, to continue on Toga, she is actually capable of hiding her presence from others as well. She does it mid-combat though, and is remarked to be a huge problem because she can do that. However, Deku remarks that she doesn’t come up on Danger Sense, and it’s not because she can hide her presence, but because she loves him and doesn’t see hurting him as malice or danger. The second she stops loving him as much, Danger Sense picks up on her despite her hiding her presence.
Lastly: literally all of this is ignoring that Deku is moving the entire battle. Like, are we forgetting Deku isn’t dumb? He will be Air Force sniping, stacking Fa Jin and dodging her attacks the entire fight. He will analyze all of her Gifts and counter all of them because they’re ridiculously simple in their own, and he’s a literal genius when it comes to analyzing others powers. Until she pulls out Killer Time to force him to fight, he just Air Force spams while dodging her attacks and grabbing her up with Blackwhip to kick her several times with Fa Jin in the head.
Nothing she has is an actual threat to Deku here. None of her attacks or Gifts can really put him down given his immense stamina, higher durability, predictive abilities + precog and Blackwhip LS.
Secondly, she does not have Chaos’s whatever ability, and even if she did, it would not help because Deku’s predictions are way faster and don’t need any time beyond seeing an attack to work. Only time “pattern recognition” was a problem for Deku was against Gentle, who he fought for about 1 minute and said was literally impossible to predict, then could instantly deduce the exact placement, size and range of his invisible air barriers, so accurately that he could snipe a miniscule gap between them at the perfect angle to bounce an Air Force shot off of one of them and hit Gentle.
That is the worse Deku who gets stomped by the one Ihwa is fighting. He would realize she’s trying to read him or counter his predictions, and would counter hers back, same way he did Nagant. Except even easier because she has no answer at all to him now having Danger Sense on top of his predictions.
Third, the awakened power argument is irrelevant, idk why that’s being brought up. She is not being put in a situation that would force her to evolve nor does she seemingly have anything that can evolve in a manner that we know of. Saying “she’ll awaken her power though!” And not saying what it would even do is essentially worthless.
Fourth, she is not predicting Fa Jin. The aura is visible, so she doesn’t need to take a long time to realize what it is, but she can’t stop him from using it at all. A twitch of his foot is enough to activate the amp and she’s still contending with his Danger Sense before anything. So she’d try to stop Fa Jin just for Deku to dodge and use it to kick her in the head with a speed amp, then kick her again because he can store multiple charges of it.
Five, yes, Danger Sense isn’t only intent based. It’s based on “danger” as well as “malice”. It didn’t work on Toga because she had no intent at all beyond her love for him, and it didn’t work on 1A because none of them were trying to hurt him in the first place. Ihwa is actively trying to kill him, out of nothing but wanting to kill him. She wouldn’t even know to hide her intent from him because she doesn’t know he even has Danger Sense.
Also, that scan you posted isn’t even “hiding intent” like Danger Sense picks it up, nor does that seem combat applicable unless she does that mid-fight to get the drop on people.
Also, to continue on Toga, she is actually capable of hiding her presence from others as well. She does it mid-combat though, and is remarked to be a huge problem because she can do that. However, Deku remarks that she doesn’t come up on Danger Sense, and it’s not because she can hide her presence, but because she loves him and doesn’t see hurting him as malice or danger. The second she stops loving him as much, Danger Sense picks up on her despite her hiding her presence.
Lastly: literally all of this is ignoring that Deku is moving the entire battle. Like, are we forgetting Deku isn’t dumb? He will be Air Force sniping, stacking Fa Jin and dodging her attacks the entire fight. He will analyze all of her Gifts and counter all of them because they’re ridiculously simple in their own, and he’s a literal genius when it comes to analyzing others powers. Until she pulls out Killer Time to force him to fight, he just Air Force spams while dodging her attacks and grabbing her up with Blackwhip to kick her several times with Fa Jin in the head.
Nothing she has is an actual threat to Deku here. None of her attacks or Gifts can really put him down given his immense stamina, higher durability, predictive abilities + precog and Blackwhip LS.
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Also, fun fact about Final Act Deku:
He has 7-A+ Shields on his arms and legs. Which he uses to block attacks. So again, Ihwa managing to land hits on him that he can’t take is doubtful.
And no, they’re not metal, so she can’t corrode them. She can do that to his shoes though.
He has 7-A+ Shields on his arms and legs. Which he uses to block attacks. So again, Ihwa managing to land hits on him that he can’t take is doubtful.
And no, they’re not metal, so she can’t corrode them. She can do that to his shoes though.
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Deku: Oh no, my shoes, how will I ever win this battle
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Deku then proceeds to kick her with the mid gauntlets using enough stored up fa-Jin to OHKO her: No UIhwa to Deku:
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Can't believe she just killed one of the fan favorites
Mapl3Sy4up
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still can’t believe his shoes get actual votes
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Tbf, it would only be the soles around his shoes. The actual shoes would survive.
Just like they somehow do everything.
Mapl3Sy4up
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Stronger plot armor than Kirito and All other isekai protagonists combined
DaMonkeMan
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I don't even know why I have this thread watched it seems goofy as hell but uh.. what's the arguments for each character?
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Idk current Ihwa arguments as it’s mainly been talking about Deku not being able to do certain things to her, all of which were wrong.
Deku’s arguments are that he has way better predictive skills than she does, on top of stat amps with Fa Hin. He already has higher LS, AP and Durability, so if he amps further he’s ******* her up and he can do it multiple times. He’s smarter, so he can figure out all of her gifts and counter them, and his danger sense doesn’t work like assumed so it would sense her anyway, as her “intent hiding” is not the same as what Danger Sense picks up and doesn’t seem combat applicable.
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I'm gonna get some popcorn this might be comedy gold
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Your Danger Sense claim is completely incorrect, on top of your scan for Ihwa “erasing her intent” not even being applicable for Danger Sense or being what you’re claiming it is. She absolutely still has intent, the guy just couldn’t tell cause she schooled herself in a non combat scenario. Which is completely unrelated to how Toga or 1-A got around it.
And I didn’t exaggerate a single thing with his analysis against Gentle, or his higher stats, or with her being unable to stop Fa Jin from being charged since it’s literally a passive, permanently active thing that he does from moving.
