Deku fate hax or resistance to it

[Bernkastelll]

Nighteye power is to see the future of someone

Deku was fated to die

Deku could change his own future, the source of it its in chapter 159

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I remember there was some idiotic reason for this

 

[Bernkastelll]

I remember there was some idiotic deus ex machina reason for this

No, there was not, nothing actually can change the future, unless u have a way to change the future, which is literally how fate hax (or resistance to the fate) works

 

[Planck69]

Changing the future is done multiple times in fiction. Usually, it's because the future isn't stagnant to begin with. This isn't resistance to Fate Manipulation at all and I honestly find it laughable that someone would attempt to pass it off as such.

 

[Purgy]

No, there was not, nothing actually can change the future, unless u have a way to change the future, which is literally how fate hax (or resistance to the fate) works

This isn't really true, it varies from verse to verse since they treat fate and stuff differently.

Take Ichigo as an example, Yhwach explicitly said Ichigo had changed his future several times but he then elaborates that all Ichigo was really doing was hopping from one possible future to another, since apparently in Bleach, literally every single possibility is a separate future.

But we don't give Ichigo fate manipulation or resistance to it for this reason, it could be a similar case for MHA, albeit, I'm not familiar enough with MHA to know how it works in this regard.

Lastly, isn't it strongly suggested that Eri's Quirk basically allowed this to happen and it has absolutely nothing to do with Deku himself?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Usually, it's because the future isn't stagnant to begin with.

How can u change something that already was fated to happen?

This isn't resistance to Fate Manipulation at all

y

I honestly find it laughable that someone would attempt to pass it off as such.

y are u joking about the thread?

 

[theultimate5105]

Time to give almost every single shonen protag fate hax or resistence to it
Here are some examples
Naruto well he broke the cycle of Ashura and Indras reincarnation which actually brings up fate a lot in it
Ichigo well he changed the future

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I’m cackling at this.

He changed that future because Nighteye’s quirk isn’t perfect. The future can be changed if enough influence and effort from multiple sources will it to change. Deku isn’t immune to fortune telling or something, it was a combined effort that changed that prediction.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Take Ichigo as an example, Yhwach explicitly said Ichigo had changed his future several times but he then elaborates that all Ichigo was really doing was hopping from one possible future to another, since apparently in Bleach, literally every single possibility is a separate future.

Bleach verse itself already shows that there has several futures, so, ichigo case is not fate

Lastly, isn't it strongly suggested that Eri's Quirk basically allowed this to happen and it has absolutely nothing to do with Deku himself?

How does Eri change something that its fated to happen?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Deku isn’t immune to fortune telling or something, it was a combined effort that changed that prediction.

it already was fated, the fact that the event didnt happend is a proof that they changed their own future, which is fate hax or resistance to fate

 

[Planck69]

How can u change something that already was fated to happen?

He saw the future and that's it. Don't bother trying to spin it into something involving a set fate or anything of the sort. The word isn't mentioned at all even in the given scans.

y

No manipulation of fate is happening here.

y are u joking about the thread?

This entire premise is a joke.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

it already was fated, the fact that the event didnt happend is a proof that they changed their own future, which is fate hax or resistance to fate

Prove that what Nighteye predicts is actually fated to happen 100% of the time

 

[Bernkastelll]

He saw the future and that's it.

He saw the future, deku died in the prediction, but deku changed his own future

Don't bother trying to spin it into something involving a set fate or anything of the sort. The word isn't mentioned at all even in the given scans.

it literally was stated that he twisted his own future

 

[Bernkastelll]

This entire premise is a joke.

you're ofending me

 

[Hasty12345]

This website would be less toxic if people weren't so quick to laugh at other peoples ideas.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If you looked at context and didn’t run with the first idea of fate resistance that came into your head, especially when this particular instance of defying a predicted outcome was literally credited to multiple people, not just Deku, then this thread being so humorous wouldn’t even come up.

 

[Bernkastelll]

If you looked at context and didn’t run with the first idea of fate resistance that came into your head, especially when this particular instance of defying a predicted outcome was literally credited to multiple people

Prove that deku and eri can change something fated if its not fate hax

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Prove that deku and eri can change something fated if its not fate hax

What Nighteye predicts isn’t fated. Its just prediction. Can you prove Nighteye sees actual fates?

 

[Bernkastelll]

What Nighteye predicts isn’t fated. Its just prediction. Can you prove Nighteye sees actual fates?

Because he saw the future itself, future is what is going to happen, u cannot change the future itself without fate hax

 

[StekFence]

Hmmm, well if what nighteye predicts is 100% going to happen, then I could see fate hax. Like how epitaph 100% predicts results, but ger changed it anyway.

 

[StekFence]

Because he saw the future itself, future is what is going to happen, u cannot change the future itself without fate hax

I think u can tho. Many verse operate off ideas such as futures not being set.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Many verse operate off ideas such as futures not being set.

Then the people that its arguing against the thread need to prove that the future wasnt set, because the future is the future

 

[StekFence]

After all, take dragon ball z for instance. The future was supposed to be one way, but trunks changed it. Cos the futures is not set in stone.

 

[Planck69]

Prove that deku and eri can change something fated if its not fate hax

Except nothing here is fated to begin with, you just keep insisting it is. The first assumption when someone changes the future through nothing more than their actions isn't fate manipulation or any resistance thereof. That takes actual further context to this future being truly set, context that isn't given here at all.

 

[Bernkastelll]

After all, take dragon ball z for instance. The future was supposed to be one way, but trunks changed it. Cos the futures is not set in stone.

Dragon Ball is a verse with explicit cases of traveling in time to change events and resulting in multiples timelines

 

[TheGatememer]

By the arguments of this thread, literally anyone with time travel has fate manip/resistance to it, since they can change fates from the past to prevent them from happening.

 

[StekFence]

Then the people that its arguing against the thread need to prove that the future wasnt set, because the future is the future

Ur entire thing revolves around the assumption that night eyes prediction is 100% fate tho. There doesn’t seem to be much to suggest that to me.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Because he saw the future itself, future is what is going to happen, u cannot change the future itself without fate hax

He saw a prediction of the future. You’re making the assumption his quirk lets him tap into the space time continuum to some degree, which is never implied. Instead, his quirk seems to operate by simply showing him events that are most likely to happen. Which is the entire theme of his character, that he “predicts” what is going to happen, yet can still be wrong. Which is why he died.

Prove that what Nighteye sees is truly fated to happen, and we can discuss fate resistance. So far, even he attributes the alteration of his vision as simply enough people trying hard enough to change it. Something no one else in his visions did.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Except nothing here is fated to begin with, you just keep insisting it is.

it is, the future is the future, how is it not set?

The first assumption when someone changes the future through nothing more than their actions

even if u change ur actions, u wont change the future because it is the future itself, so, he need to directly affect the future

He saw a prediction of the future. You’re making the assumption his quirk lets him tap into the space time continuum to some degree, which is never implied.

Yeah, exactly, a prediction of the future, to change it, u need to find a way to change the future, and changing ur actions wont change the future, because the future is the future doesnt matter the paths that u take

That takes actual further context to this future being truly set, context that isn't given here at all.

The context is, I sent the scans and proofs

Ur entire thing revolves around the assumption that night eyes prediction is 100% fate tho. There doesn’t seem to be much to suggest that to me.

people still need to prove that if u saw the future itself doesnt means that u saw the future itself

 

[Hasty12345]

Bern, it basically comes down to just because fate manip is a possible interpretations, doesn't mean the feat is fate manipulation. The scans posted at best don't contradict fate manip, they're not "positive" evidence for the claim. You'd need to provide more context about Nighteye's ability to prove to what extent he can predict the future and what predicting the future actually entails here.

There just simply isn't enough evidence for the claim you're making.

 

[Secretly_domain]

basically plot armor

 

[Planck69]

Anyway, might as well;

@Therefir @Dragonmasterxyz @Shadowbokunohero @Damage3245 @Andytrenom

Your input would be appreciated.

 

[Chariot190]

Gonna be real here, why the **** are people being such a dick about this?
Ok cool, don't agree with it, I don't either, I think it's wrong and could explain why, but you can disagree without completely undermining OP and treating him and his thread as a joke.
Explain why it's wrong, don't just instantly jump to being a dick about it, like come on people.

 

[The_Pink_God]

I mean
If Nighteye has some Epitaph type of prediction I can see this being a thing actually
But IDK that much about MHA so I can't say if it is or not

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

It's probably a hyperbolic statement tbh.

 

[StekFence]

people still need to prove that if u saw the future itself doesnt means that u saw the future itself

I’m not saying nighteye can’t see the future. it just seems more likely right now to me that there are multiple futures based on actions of different people.

 

[Bernkastelll]

There just simply isn't enough evidence for the claim you're making.

i can understand that people maybe think that its not enough evidence, but i dont see how a character can change the event of something that was decided by the future itself without it being fate hax or resistance

It's probably a hyperbolic statement tbh.

Nah, no, lol, u could argue everything against it, but ''hyperbolic'' indeed is not the case

 

[Damage3245]

This just seems like a metaphor to me.

If it ever comes up again in the future, then it'll be taken into serious cosnideration.

 

[Bernkastelll]

@Therefir @Dragonmasterxyz @Shadowbokunohero @Damage3245 @Andytrenom

rip

 

[StekFence]

i can understand that people maybe think that its not enough evidence, but i dont see how a character can change the event of something that was decided by the future itself without it being fate hax or resistance

It’s always possible that the future isn’t nesscarily set in stone in mha