Deceptively Cute: Flowey vs. Kyubey

[Jinsye]

I'm gonna try and use Flowey's base form and see how it goes.

Speed Equalized

Base Flowey vs. Kyubey

Flowey has already SAVED at a nearby SAVE Point.

Kyubey has the shard of Homura's shield.

Flowey can see and touch Kyubey

Who wins?

Flowey: 0

Kyubey: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[DMB_1]

Kyubey via telepathy and BFR.

Oh, and also Kyubey is currently fighting someone who is litterally stoned.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

kyu has no way to get past save,its a hive mind right? then destroxing theyre SOUL should kill them for good

 

[Jinsye]

How does the fact they all think the same means that if their soul gets rekt, the whole ******* colony gets rekt.

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

How does the fact they all think the same means that if their soul gets rekt, the whole ******* colony gets rekt.

cuz ut souls contain the mind as well

 

[DMB_1]

How does the fact they all think the same means that if their soul gets rekt, the whole ******* colony gets rekt.

cuz ut souls contain the mind as well

How do they absorb it, if they destroy it?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

How do they absorb it, if they destroy it?

what? souls contain the mind, so destroying them destroys the mind, and even then, the human souls are intact post battle,as shown by asgore

 

[Kaltias]

That's not even remotely how a hive mind work tho.

It's like saying that if you kill a Tyranid every Hive Fleet ever dies

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That's not even remotely how a hive mind work tho.
It's like saying that if you kill a Tyranid every Hive Fleet ever dies

(in science fiction) a unified consciousness or intelligence formed by a number of alien individuals, the resulting consciousness typically exerting control over its constituent members

they all have shown one conscisness, not a hirarcy kind of thing like with ants.

 

[Kaltias]

Yes, which means that destroying a piece doesn't destroy the entire hive mind.

They don't rely on each other, they are simply connected.

When Kyubey loses a body, that one loses its consciousness, doesn't shut down the other bodies

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but the consciosness is obe, and ripping it out would rip the mind itself out, and give an unlimited amount of souls to flowey if that didnt kill them

 

[Kaltias]

And it's also spread in a metric ton of bodies. Again, if the integrity of each one was important, Kyubey would care when Homura destroys them.

Also, souls in PMMM (If Kyubey even possess one) don't last after death, so they can't be absorbed (In the way Flowey does at least)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

thayes, but did anyone ever try to destry theire mind? cuz the ut soul is mind+body+soul

 

[Jinsye]

Off-topic but,

What would happen if Flowey decides to be tricked into becoming a magical girl? Dude has no soul, would he be any different?

 

[Kaltias]

The mind doesn't survive after your body is dead.

Even then, not going to affect the entire hive mind just by affecting one.

It's like cells in a body. It doesn't matter how utterly you destroy a single cell, you still have a long way to go to destroy the full body

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The mind doesn't survive after your body is dead.
Even then, not going to affect the entire hive mind just by affecting one.

It's like cells in a body. It doesn't matter how utterly you destroy a single cell, you still have a long way to go to destroy the full body

that doesent stand for hive minds, where the mind is shared over bodies, meaning that mindhax affects all bodies, as they are mentaly connected

 

[Kaltias]

@Edward

No soul = no magical girl. Extracting the soul out of the body is a fundamental part

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Off-topic but,
What would happen if Flowey decides to be tricked into becoming a magical girl? Dude has no soul, would he be any different?

"If magical girls are said to be born from positive desires like wishes, then witches are born from negative desires like curses."

dude has no feelings

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

where was the soul destruction post death estabilished? i mean, destroxing the seed /gem does it but its litiraly contains it

 

[Desmiondo]

Voting Flowey for absorbing their soul

 

[Kaltias]

No, that's not how it works.

The bodies are connected, but that's it.

Controlling a hive mind worth a quintillion of people needs a mind hax of a quintillion of people.

Same for destroying all of it at once (Heck even more for destroying it than controlling it)

 

[Jinsye]

So Flowey can't become a magical girl. K

Magical girl and witch Flowey

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, that's not how it works.
The bodies are connected, but that's it.

Controlling a hive mind worth a quintillion of people needs a mind hax of a quintillion of people.

Same for destroying all of it at once (Heck even more for destroying it than controlling it)

firstly, no, controlling flesh bags with no minds of theire own doesent need power for the mind hax, just range, and destroying is quiet a bit easier.

where was the soul destroys post death estabilished?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So Flowey can't become a magical girl. K
Magical girl and witch Flowey

asriel couldent either, as hes soul would have broken when they tried to remove it

 

[Kaltias]

Firstly yes, controlling multiple bodies with each one having a proper mind needs a control on the same level. It's obvious really. Otherwise only one would be able to think.

Again, you are arguing that destroying a small fraction destroy the whole thing. It doesn't work that way.

It was established while Kyubey was explaining to Sayaka how soul gems work. 0:50

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

if they dont have a mind of theyre own to resist then its nowhere near impressive

but the UT soul is THE WHOLE thing

can you give an episode or somithing please

 

[Kaltias]

No, it's simply a bit less impressive. You are still controlling those minds

Yes, of a single individual. Not of multiple individuals connected. Show me Flowey destroying multiple SOULs across the freaking universe.

https://youtu.be/QqeBNPTt1rU 0:50. Literally states that the soul is lost when you die

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, you are controlling bodies with NO minds with one mind

kyubey is not multiple individuals, the point of a hive mind is one mind many bodies

alright, didnt say you were lieing

 

[Kaltias]

Yes, but that mind is within all of those, not as a whole, but as a fraction. Destroying the mind of one wouldn't destroy all of it.

If there are 100 Kyubey, destroying the mind of one body means destroying 1% of the hive mind

Can you control two bodies at once? Of course not. That's because you'd need two minds

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

when was it said that it broke the mind apart? because a hive mind has ONE MIND controlling others, not houndreds all with the same memories, one.

im not a hive mind, the closest thing to a hive mind in our world to a is a computer doing dozins of things at once

 

[Kaltias]

When it controlled multiple bodies? It's not broken, it's simply within all the bodies, just not in its entirety. So destroying a single one (a reminder that SOUL hax is simply punching what you have in front of you in body, mind and soul at once) won't destroy all of it.


Flowey needs to destroy all of them, because he can affect only tiny portions (a few bodies) at once

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

yes, its ONE mind in all bodies, by extension, saied mind is whitin the SOUL as dictated by UT rules.

 

[Kaltias]

Except that UT never deals with beings with multiple bodies, or hive minds.

So you can't assume that it would shut down the whole thing immediately

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Except that UT never deals with beings with multiple bodies, or hive minds.
So you can't assume that it would shut down the whole thing immediately

the SOUL has your mind in it, ALL of it

and you are assuming that mind destruction wouldent work because of a body, the mind is still one,

 

[Kaltias]

That's not what i'm saying.

I'm saying explain why a single body should contain the entirety of the hive mind, when it's naturally spread out throughout all of them.

The SOUL has all of your mind, because you, in UT, are a single person, a single body, and your mind is a regular mind, not a thing that stretches across the universe.

I'm assuming that it wouldn't work because said mind is big, and Flowey lacks the AoE to affect all of it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but the soul cannot be spread out, its th eculmination of onmes being, mind body and soul, not a part of it.. akk souls are equaly big dude, you cant give mass to a mind, aoe yes, but not a litiraal size

 

[Kaltias]

In this case, easy enough. Each Kyubey has a SOUL. The hive mind still isn't bothered if they die.

Or, it can be spread out, by virtue of being already naturally spread out. UT rules apply to individuals. That's it

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

whar? they ghave one mind, and the soul contains the mind. if each ine had a mind of its own it wouldent be a hive mind at all, and asriel still had the soul take up the same amount of space despite of the amount of minds


what stops flowey from stealing human souls ? thy are in central park