Dead Space Isaac Clarke's tier revision

[NoMoreTalking]

First, we should remove his non-suit tier. As he's always in his suit in-character. It's like giving tier to non-armor Tony Stark.

His physical tier should be High 8-C as he can take blows from Large-Building level Necromorphs such as the Hive Mind and the Nexus. And higher with his weapons as they can harm him, like how the Javelin gun can easily pierce through his suit.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Do we even have a High 8-C calculation? I know Necromorphs are pretty big, but they really should be calculated first. And also it may be debated that their tentacles aren't assumed to equate to body slamming. Also, Isaac's durability section also seems to have a lot of issues and guesswork statistics. Even the crash landing feat appears to be Wall level.

 

[Theglassman12]

I wouldn't personally agree with him being on that level for the reason that he was targeting the monster's weakspots. I can somewhat see the argument if you use the monster body slamming Isaac with its corpse when it died and him surviving it but I would like to be proven wrong if there's more High 8-C feats.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

@DarkDragonMedeus
The Hive Mind's tentacles is debatable, yes. But the Nexus used it claws to slam at him, its arm and claws part should be as durable as its body, which is High 8-C in size.

@Theglassman12
He can survived if the Nexus slam at him in full force during the boss fight.
Another feat is he survived a massive explosion caused by many explosive tanks that destroys a ship without having any injury during his fight agains the Tormentor, and his RIG's not even decreased. (Maybe 9-A feat)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well either way, when a human sized character is being swatted by a giant, it's also important to take the cross sectional area into account. Also, I noticed there were proposals for "Weapons being higher". I'm actually going to get to a lot of verses that appear to follow similar styles to Dead Space.

Surviving big explosions is also something that requires Inverse Square Law too.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Can someone calc it?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

You can ask here if you need help with calculations.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Apparently he can survived being chewed alive by the Nexus too.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Theglassman12
I asked for calculation, and while waiting, I fixed Isaac's profile for a bit.
Since we waiting for the calculation, I used only solid feats on the profile.
And while it is not perfect since we don't have a calculation, it's definitely better than current profile.

Here. It's in my sandbox.

Please give me some inputs.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There appears to be rather cluttered justifications for durability; almost like that's reserved for a Feats section or blog post listing consistent feats. But I do agree the overall ratings appear more consistent.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Thank you for the input.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

NP

 

[Theglassman12]

I wouldn’t exactly use the Brethren moon codex thing as a prep thing considering it was a specific weakness towards the moon.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Thank you for the input. I'll remove it then.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

So, can I edit the page now?

 

[Ogbunabali]

Javelin is clearly just a piercing weapon, which "negates blunt durability" so to speak. The way bullets can make holes in walls that could survive higher forces of blunt power. It really shouldn't be used as a justification as higher AP.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

I'll remove the Javelin feat then.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Bump.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Piercing weapons don't negate durability per say, wrong choice of words. It's sharper than typical punches or body slams to the point were even characters with hundreds of times higher durability may be harmed by something. But I pretty much agree that individual weapons should be judged from their own calcs first and foremost.

 

[Newendigo]

I disagree with the High 8-C thing.

First, he obviously hitting the weakspots of those enemies, and even then just harming a small part of the body won't scale the entirety of their durability.

Third, neither fight show him recieving a full body slam from either Necromorph, he mostly gets attack by tentancles and claws, and some of the attacks are very slow to get a high KE impact.

Is also ridiculous to say that he's physically comparable to some of the strongest Necromorphs when he still struggles with earlier and weaker enemies, even with upgrades of his suit.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

I disagree with the High 8-C thing.

First, he obviously hitting the weakspots of those enemies, and even then just harming a small part of the body won't scale the entirety of their durability.

Third, neither fight show him recieving a full body slam from either Necromorph, he mostly gets attack by tentancles and claws, and some of the attacks are very slow to get a high KE impact.

Is also ridiculous to say that he's physically comparable to some of the strongest Necromorphs when he still struggles with earlier and weaker enemies, even with upgrades of his suit.

The OP was outdated.
Please read the late replied, I made a sandbox.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I already pretty much brought up points above that were taken care of or edited.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

I already pretty much brought up points above that were taken care of or edited.

Should I add Javelin in the profile again or stay removed as it is? I don't know much about "negates blunt durability".

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It's okay to be listed on equipment, but I wouldn't use it as an AP justification and what not.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

It's okay to be listed on equipment, but I wouldn't use it as an AP justification and what not.

Okay. Stay as it is then.
Any addition?

 

[Ogbunabali]

Piercing weapons don't negate durability per say, wrong choice of words. It's sharper than typical punches or body slams to the point were even characters with hundreds of times higher durability may be harmed by something. But I pretty much agree that individual weapons should be judged from their own calcs first and foremost.

I mean, that's why I added it in quotation marks and specified "blunt" durability. And proceeded to explain what I mean by that.

Okay. Stay as it is then.
Any addition?

Your sandbox looks good.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Thank you for the input.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Are there any objection to my sandbox? If not I'm gonna edit the profile, because at least it better than the current one.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Your sandbox seems fine to add.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Okay. I'll add it. If anyone have an objection and reasons, tell me here, I'll revert the edits.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Fair enough, but I think a better term is "reduce" durability rather than "negate" durability.

 

[Newendigo]

The OP was outdated.
Please read the late replied, I made a sandbox.

So, for the sandbox, something changes I would personally add:

1. The first tab of the P&A is a bit bloated for explanations that are already elaborated in equipment section.

2. I would personally explain the each weapons (at least the ones from DS 1 and 2) instead of just simply linking to another place. I would separate it through tabbers per each game.

3. In the same vain, it preferable to show some of Clarke's suits in the profile, for aesthetic purposes.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Thanks for the input.
1. I'll remove some of it when I have time.
2. I'll make tabbers later. Note that it might not be perfect for the third one, as aside from the complete weapons, it also has weapon parts for crafting which can be customizable to suit each player's playstyle.
3. I'll edit it later. Where should I put it, profile image or gallery? I suggests gallery since there are a lot of suits.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Newendigo

 

[Newendigo]

Thanks for the input.
1. I'll remove some of it when I have time.
2. I'll make tabbers later. Note that it might not be perfect for the third one, as aside from the complete weapons, it also has weapon parts for crafting which can be customizable to suit each player's playstyle.
3. I'll edit it later. Where should I put it, profile image or gallery? I suggests gallery since there are a lot of suits.

3. Profile image for the main suits advertised in the games, I.e the Intermediate Engineer Suit, the Advanced Suit and the Artic Survival Suit.

The rest of the armor can be added to a gallery.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Okay.

 

[Lonkitt]

Not a big Dead Space guy, but why does it say "At least 9-B, higher". What is the higher in reference to?

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Not a big Dead Space guy, but why does it say "At least 9-B, higher". What is the higher in reference to?

Pretty sure it says "higher, up to 9-A with weapons". Reference to being higher with weapons.

 

[Lonkitt]

Pretty sure it says "higher, up to 9-A with weapons". Reference to being higher with weapons.

Wouldn't just "At least 9-B, up to 9-A with weapons" be less confusing to read? The higher part makes it somewhat of an eyesore

 

[Theglassman12]

Btw, me and another user had a Dead Space CRT on the backlog for a while, I'll post what we got here since it's already updating Isaac, might as well add it here.