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so, after doing on SB debate on SB regarding downstreamers, I kinda want to test them (again...)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Demiurgos (1-A)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar (1-A)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gabriel_Hornblower (1-A w Sword of Azazel)
vs
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Downstreamers
both factions are kinda similar in hax.
Lucifer being able to no-sell infinite deaths and walked through different layers of death. but DS may have something close to that, being able to make all kind of transdual planes (probably up to infinite-valued planes) and (someone implied that) DS can also fold all universes regardless of logic governing them, thus may grant DS infinite layers/states of existence.
DS also have many other haxes what with being able to (modify metaphysics to) actualize impossibilities/impossible worlds and can create outerverses and 1-A entities many times over.
Demiurges are no slouch however. they can create concept from scratch and also manage to create two 1-A entities and Endlesses (previously Tiered at 1-As too before they're downgraded) as mere side effect of creation of multiverse. not to mention Lucifer managed to one-shot a 1-A effortlessly.
not to mention I also have Gabriel w SoA in the roster just in case if DS can actually win (because Gab with SoA >= The Presence )
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Demiurgos (1-A)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar (1-A)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gabriel_Hornblower (1-A w Sword of Azazel)
vs
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Downstreamers
both factions are kinda similar in hax.
Lucifer being able to no-sell infinite deaths and walked through different layers of death. but DS may have something close to that, being able to make all kind of transdual planes (probably up to infinite-valued planes) and (someone implied that) DS can also fold all universes regardless of logic governing them, thus may grant DS infinite layers/states of existence.
DS also have many other haxes what with being able to (modify metaphysics to) actualize impossibilities/impossible worlds and can create outerverses and 1-A entities many times over.
Demiurges are no slouch however. they can create concept from scratch and also manage to create two 1-A entities and Endlesses (previously Tiered at 1-As too before they're downgraded) as mere side effect of creation of multiverse. not to mention Lucifer managed to one-shot a 1-A effortlessly.
not to mention I also have Gabriel w SoA in the roster just in case if DS can actually win (because Gab with SoA >= The Presence )