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Amen.
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Just a slight problem with this part. Just because Goku thinks his body can handle kaioken x10 instead of x4 doesn't mean his base form got 10x stronger and faster. Also, "match a kaioken x10" is misleading phrasing.Goku, trained under 100G and thinks he can match a kaioken x10. Considering how light and fast he feels, it makes sense for speed to be 10x as well. (7.64c)
That's based on something that is pure conjecture. I don't doubt Goku being stronger than a hypothetical kaiokenx10, but there simply isn't enough hard evidence for that scaling. Goku's statement only suggests that he thinks that his body can possibly handle kaioken x10. Maybe he is right, maybe he is stronger than that against Freeza, we don't have incontrovertible evidence.Though wouldn't the Base Frieza Saga Goku should get the same treatment too by being far superior to his Namek Saga Kaioken times 10 form (he never used it before fighting Frieza but he stated he can. And considering how massive the gap between Namek Saga Goku to Frieza Saga Goku is, this isn't really that far-fetched)
More like Goku KK20 = 50% Frieza, the former was able to moderately injure Frieza.It should be 50 considering 50% Frieza > Kaioken x20 and SSJ > 100% Frieza.
Not sure how this makes sense considering even the synopsis of the volume outright states Goku's base strength and speed to have increased ten-fold upon his arrival at Namek and the power level also having increased by upto ten times from his training.Just a slight problem with this part. Just because Goku thinks his body can handle kaioken x10 instead of x4 doesn't mean his base form got 10x stronger and faster. Also, "match a kaioken x10" is misleading phrasing.
Base Frieza Saga Goku, as well as First Form Frieza and Base Vegeta were all at the very least much stronger than Namek Saga Kaioken times 2 Goku, so tjat might be:It's best to take base Goku (Namek saga) as > kaioken x4 Goku (Saiyan saga) and apply x20 on that for kaioken x20, and x50 for SSJ1 and leave it at that.
Power levels are not linear. Synopsis is from shonen jump so not canon. And likely a misinterpretation of Goku's statement of being able to handle kaioken x10 as there was no indication that Goku grew 10 times stronger and faster in the original manga.Not sure how this makes sense considering even the synopsis of the volume outright states Goku's base strength and speed to have increased ten-fold upon his arrival at Namek and the power level also having increased by upto ten times from his training.
I know Power Levels are not linear, but the multiplier statement is still there. Regardless, even without that Goku would end up being MFTL with SSJ alone due to its 40x multiplier being greater than his KKx20 self.Power levels are not linear. Synopsis is from shonen jump so not canon. And likely a misinterpretation of Goku's statement of being able to handle kaioken x10 as there was no indication that Goku grew 10 times stronger and faster in the original manga.
Out of curiousity, what does the CRT aim to accomplish regarding the 50x SSJ1 multiplier in the Frieza Saga?Ok, then. The crt is mostly done, but it’ll take time.
No, just that is was greater than x40.wait so people here really thought ss multipler was only 10x?
Damn, and here I thought SSJ1 had some in-verse stated multiplier of 40x.Btw I agree that Super Saiyan is a complete 50x multiplier. Even though Akira Toriyama did not mean it to be x50 but that is still the accepted value going by his interview and acknowledged by him. The fact that he did not outright refute the claim when asked about it being accepted as x50, and only talked about his own personal motives while writing it, years after writing that part (and we all know how forgetful he is), plus the scaling that blatantly shows Goku being a superior power when compared to Freeza, means that SSJ Goku > x40, and x50 makes the most sense.
Lol, no it was just based on Kaioken x20 Goku equally matching 50% Freeza.Damn, and here I thought SSJ1 had some in-verse stated multiplier of 40x.
What you mean by that? If SSj1 is accepted as a 50x multiplier, then the SSj1 multiplier will remain valid even in other arcs.Though that doesn't mean we making it 50x for the rest of the series given the inconsistencies.
The problem is that it would make sense the boost that they get from SSJ being Broly going from 3-A to Low 2-C an infinite multiplier. But it doesn't make sense for them to turn a diff hair color which doesn't give a power boost and that to turn them infinitely. I just think they are 2-C in base.What you mean by that?
Vegeta didn't grow from Super Saiyan level to Super Saiyan God level to Super Saiyan Blue level in less than half an hour, now did he?Especially since Vegeta's didn't work like that.
Everything you said here is true, but the burden of proof isn't on me. You have yet to prove the connection. And Vegeta and Goku are the closest you are gonna get. Unless you want me to use Berserker Kale who hasn't turned into Ikari.Just saying “doubt it” isn’t evidence, that’s an appeal to incredulity. And Broly is clearly different than Goku and Vegeta, so comparing them to him isn’t a point either