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Dbz manga goku
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Didn,t I debunk you in you that super thread ? do you wanna go again ? I wont hesitate to slap you again.
And the scan you gave doesn't imply what you said, he just said, be careful so that it doesn't destroy the planet. Not that it's only planet level or it's is limit.
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Stated to be able to destroy the universe. We soon understand how he would execute it, by opening enough dimensional walls.
Debunked above shown how it's a vague ass statement.
Innumerable? Really?
We see a limit on the universe, which means it's finite. If it's finite, it's not innumerable.
If you google "definition of innumerable" it says
"too many to be counted (often used hyperbolically)".
Nobody sits there and counts stars. People say in the real world we have an innumerable amount of stars even though it's finite. Nobody would count grains of sand, is that High 3-A since people can't count it?
Can someone make a fun and games thread called "scans taken out of context"? I have a post to start it off right here.
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Anime ≠ Manga.
Don't be disrespectful then pull a secondary source, you look idiotic.
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Innumerable stars , in a galactic nebula , and you dare say that I didn't prove anything when you cannot read properly ?
If you see the definition of innumerable , it's too big to be counted and is a synonym for countless or infinite.
It doesn't matter no body counts stars , you have to prove that said statements is "hyperbolic" which you cannot prove. Also you have to prove that there is finite stars in the universe.
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Irrelevant , completely irrelevant , I never said that amine=manga , RE READ MY COMMENT. You are the idiotic one , I NEVER SAID , AMINE=MANGA , AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT that what this person scans showed me , is the very similar to what this video says not to mention this scene is from kai. STRAWMAN FALLACY, WERE DO YOU SEE ME SAY , ANIIME=MANGA , YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHY I POSTED THIS VID THERE. Argument from ignorance , ad nauseam.
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The universe is finite in size. Of course the stars are ******* finite in numbers.
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Ok.
We see it has borders. We also see the planets. Calculate the size off of the planets, we see it's finite.
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Prove that , AND AGAIN this is derailing topic that both of you started.
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You don't even know what argument from ignorance and ad nauseam is.
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REPOST YOUR IMAGE , I cannot see it. Regardless , the "borders" is limitations of the screen , if they wanted to show those "borders" it will not be possible unless they display it as finite even when it isn't .Ok.
We see it has borders. We also see the planets. Calculate the size off of the planets, we see it's finite.
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Yo, this man is sperging. I'mma stay outta it for now, though.
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That's your opinion , but let's go since you have problem with me.
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...is hermano trying to say that Cell is a universal threat?
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Prove the borders don't show that it's finite.
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I was asked to prove multi solar system ssj3 , which I did ,
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Failed to do*
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Just proved you , if it,s stated to be infinite, and they decided to show the borders or show a finite distance , this finite distance is infinite. It's only a limitation of what the screen can display. I asked you to repost the image.
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I asked you TO REPOST THE IMAGE AGAIN. Saying a failed is not argument, ******* delusional.
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Never stated to be infinite, stated to be innumerable which means that humans can't count up to it.
You can fall asleep before you count up to it, simple. That works, but you assume infinite.
Hostile as hell for no reason. Take and sleep
Who said it's an argument? Strawman
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And after this thread is closed or this discussion is over , You better not reply to any of
my futures comments I may make , i'm warning you , I'm not here to be ban , because , has a bad opinion of me.
my futures comments I may make , i'm warning you , I'm not here to be ban , because , has a bad opinion of me.
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I WILL MAKE THIS VERY VERY CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.
THE SCAn I gave you, is talking about innumerable stars in a galatic , nebula , the infinite stated was for the universe since I coudn't see the image you were posting.
Innumerable is a synomym of countless or infinite.
You said , that I failed to prove , which is referring to the past , which is also referring to an argument, that I couldn't supposedly prove.
I could call out all your strawman that did in this thread.
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I would've reported you by now if I did.
I have a bad opinion of a good portion of this wiki and I still like their comments whenever they're correct. Someone called me a failed CRT maker and I liked their comments before and argued on their behalf.
I do what I please if it doesn't break rules.
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Completely irrelevant, I though you would should a galaxy or star system.
The map isn't to scale , it was never stated to be into scale I can even argue this macroverse to be way bigger than people thinks it to be.
I didn't do anything, you started first saying that I looked idiotic, it's you not me. And if it's for derailing, then pretty much everyone here including you.
Also the rest of your statement is none of my concern, I'm telling you to never reply to me after this discussion is close
I want no problem, with this wiki that ban people because they do not like them personally or "gets into their nerves.
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The scan you sent said innumerable.
We see the universe, it shows its finite.
Please tell me 1st person POV is finite.
I said universe left and right, your scan shows countless stars and galaxies. If it was infinite, there wouldn't be a fixed size.
Prove it.
When did I talk about derailing?
I have a message wall.
Bring all personal concerns there.
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HOW many times do I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF. The scan I gave you is talking about innumerable stars in a nebula or a solar system.
I also address that argument of yours , there is limitations of what a screen can display and there is no proof that the distance between them isn't infinite when it was stated to be. If thet choose to show it from that angle , they would have to make it finite.
I already proved that , you never proved that it was to scale , and you are the one trying to imply that it is , can you prove why it's to scale.
I do not care about personal stuff , all I said is that I do not want to be ban because of personal opinions , not mine , but everyone who participated for me to be ban because of those personal stuff.
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Ok.
We see the scan in first person.
We visibly see limits.
It's not a model, we actually stare at the universes.
We visually see it. Keep going.
You accuse me of Ad Nauseum, but that's all you've been doing.
We see the scan in first person.
We visibly see limits.
It's not a model, we actually stare at the universes.
When did you prove it's not meant to scale?
We visually see it. Keep going.
You accuse me of Ad Nauseum, but that's all you've been doing.
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I will repeat again, there is limitations of the screen also , can you prove that this is the universe or the end of it. Not to mention , the space that are between universes is on a 5d scale, so if this what they were trying to show, then compare to that it would be less infinite. Because the universe would be a 4d space-time continuum and the space between them would 4 dimensional it would unquantifiably bigger than this infinite universe.
It was stated to be infinite, the distance being showed is also infinite, they have chosen to display it this way than they would have to make it look finite even when it's not.
I will ask you this , if the map doesn't scale wtf are you trying to prove, because I could therefore say that since the universe was said to be infinite and that snake way is 1 million kilometers and that it's big portion of heaven which is stated to be universal in size is not to scale. For you argument to make any sense, you have to prove that it,s to scale which you did not do .
You have done ad nauseam, saying i didn't prove that ssj3 goku is multi solar system level when I proved it above.
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**** limitations of the screen.
They zoom out and the universe gets smaller. They would've kept showing it.
I sent you a video for the sole purpose of showing their actual size compared to finite sized objects and you said it's not fit to scale?
You can see Super Shenron measured via Beerus who's comparable to Goku in size, a finite size creature. Super Shenron towers over the universes and galaxies, making them finite.
I'm tired of this. You haven't proved shit.
You use Ad Nauseum then accuse someone else of doing it. You won't prove anything, you sent like 2 scans and won't justify them, only taking the largest possible rating.
A myriad of scans show that they're finite. Daizenshuu 4 says it's compared to ours which is finite, using countless as a hyperbole since we have confirmed sizes for our universe.
You're just dodging at this point then you accuse people of committing fallacies.
They're finite, that's that.
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You have to prove that those are the universes first. And, yes there are limitations of the screen to display, "****" is not an answer and is therefore not an argument.
You have to prove that, I only say Shenron being multi galaxy in size, you have to prove it's the universe not the galaxies. You have to prove that the light was Shenron's size since the aforementioned was showed in a universe and only being multi galactic in size.
Even if I accepted it was indeed those universes, we see that there is space separating them, and the space that are between universes is on a 5d scale or higher dimension, and if you were to compare those infinite universes to this 5d space, they would look smaller in comparison and the 5d space would be bigger than this already infinite size universe. So again the "finite" distance that you are claiming to say would not be quantifiable and there is no proof that it isn't infinite going by the limitations of what can be displayed on the screen.
I was asked to prove something which I did, you are simply ignoring it , And no I'm not TAking the largest possible scaling, cell says he blow up the solar system and within a that same solar system there is innumerable stars , which is well multi solar system level and I proved that ssj3 scales far above that , you denied and keep saying I didn't prove anything when you cannot disprove anything.
A myriad of out of scale scans. resemble our reality=/= resemble our size not to mention there are theories of infinite size universe.
Prove it's hyperbole, you have no evidence for that other than your headcanon.
You have to prove that the distance isn't infinite when it was said to be infinite.
The scan you gave never talks about it's sizes, those are the scans that do talk about it's size
You have been debunked.
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I'm not reading all of that.
Ykw? Lemme stop being hostile and just pull out more scans.
The Kaioshin realm is shown to be finite on multiple occasions.
We get confirmation that it's 1/10th the size of the Macrocosm.
The macrocosm is supposed to be infinite correct?
Why is a finite planet 1/10th of an infinite realm?
Ykw? Lemme stop being hostile and just pull out more scans.
The Kaioshin realm is shown to be finite on multiple occasions.
We get confirmation that it's 1/10th the size of the Macrocosm.
The macrocosm is supposed to be infinite correct?
Why is a finite planet 1/10th of an infinite realm?
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You do not need to read it that's fine none of my concerns.
For the kaioshin statement, can you show a proper scan other than dragon ball wiki images or a more specific one ? Also what I just explained to you above would apply here as well. So your argument doesn't matter.
No one said it's finite. 1/10 of infinite is still infinite.
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Wow, look how quickly the topic derailed.
Asking this to get closed
Asking this to get closed
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Yeah , do it , "we" derailed this thread.
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I respect your consideration. Apologies for my previous hostility.
Bulma says there's an edge and a center of the universe.
Infinity has no center, no edge, none of that.
In chapter 3 of the manga "Jiya", or part of Akira Toriyama's Galactic Patrol series, we get information that there are 200 billion stars in the galaxy, a countable and finite number.
https://s3.**********.com/manga/Jiya/0003-034.png
We see Gohan there. Gohan is 5'9. Compare him to the landmasses and then eventually, you'll find out the size of the planet (you don't need to).
It is finite.
Bulma says there's an edge and a center of the universe.
Infinity has no center, no edge, none of that.
In chapter 3 of the manga "Jiya", or part of Akira Toriyama's Galactic Patrol series, we get information that there are 200 billion stars in the galaxy, a countable and finite number.
https://s3.**********.com/manga/Jiya/0003-034.png
We see Gohan there. Gohan is 5'9. Compare him to the landmasses and then eventually, you'll find out the size of the planet (you don't need to).
It is finite.
@Gilad_Hyperstar, this is not derailment. He said there are an infinite number of stars in the solar system and that Cell could destroy it, which would give a High 3-A rating (he didn't say High 3-A, but that's what would come from it).
It's a debunk on his claim of larger than Solar Cell, which means no larger than Solar Gohan, which means no larger than Solar SSJ2 Goku, and no basis on SSJ3, which is the topic of the OP.
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I will provide both debunks for the manga and the amineI respect your consideration. Apologies for my previous hostility.
Bulma says there's an edge and a center of the universe.
Infinity has no center, no edge, none of that.
In chapter 3 of the manga "Jiya", or part of Akira Toriyama's Galactic Patrol series, we get information that there are 200 billion stars in the galaxy, a countable and finite number.
https://s3.**********.com/manga/Jiya/0003-034.png
We see Gohan there. Gohan is 5'9. Compare him to the landmasses and then eventually, you'll find out the size of the planet (you don't need to).
It is finite.
@Gilad_Hyperstar this is not derailment. He said there are an infinite number of stars in the solar system and that Cell could destroy it, which would give a High 3-A rating (he didn't say High 3-A, but that's what would come from it).
That same Bulma is called an idiot, both in the manga and amine, let me pull the scans again
And here is the dialogue from the amine
Dbs 31
Jaco : even a galaxy alone is ridiculously huge!
Jaco: And the universe is vast enough to contain a countless number of galaxies just like it!
Jaco: Can we go? , we can’t go! We sure as hell can’t go!
So , she's called an idiot twice for talking about the "center" of the universe, therefor her statement would not be considered reliable if she's statef to be an idiot for saying such a thing.
For the star arguments, it says about , which is not a definite or accurate rating for the numbers. It's an estimation there is no proof there is only this specific number of stars.
I'm pretty sure when they talk about the kaioshin realm they are talking about the whole , how are landscapes showing it's finite ? and did they say the kaioshin planet or realm? it's the entire realm
So your onces arguments don't matter.
Your "debunk" is not a debunk.
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"this is not derailment. He said there are an infinite number of stars in the solar system and that Cell could destroy it, which would give a High 3-A rating (he didn't say High 3-A, but that's what would come from it).
It's a debunk on his claim of larger than Solar Cell, which means no larger than Solar Gohan, which means no larger than Solar SSJ2 Goku, and no basis on SSJ3, which is the topic of the OP."
I never said, infinite, I first said innumerable and then I said, that it's a synonym for countless or infinite, so you are twisting what was being statemented. High-3-A is not relevant, I was just here to prove one thing and it was done.
There are innumerable stars in one solar system, and that same cell said he can blow it up , and ssj2 goku from buu scales above him let alone ssj3.
It's a debunk on his claim of larger than Solar Cell, which means no larger than Solar Gohan, which means no larger than Solar SSJ2 Goku, and no basis on SSJ3, which is the topic of the OP."
I never said, infinite, I first said innumerable and then I said, that it's a synonym for countless or infinite, so you are twisting what was being statemented. High-3-A is not relevant, I was just here to prove one thing and it was done.
There are innumerable stars in one solar system, and that same cell said he can blow it up , and ssj2 goku from buu scales above him let alone ssj3.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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This topic was about why DBZ Goku isn't 4-A, and then the topics got completely changed and now the thread became just you and elhermano arguing on diffetent topics
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@elhermanopadre, please bring the discussion about DB cosmology to my message wall so people don't get upset.
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