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Can you imagine how much of an assfest carnival will this wiki be if we accepted anything with just statements?
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The statements are just an extrapolation of what a character can do, for buu omnipotent statement, that would require more evidence.Bro.
If we accept anything just by statements with no feats, then Buu would be omnipotent. And Goku would be above omnipotent due to beating him.
This kind of logic is flawed. A 1 or 2 statement with no feats to back it up is absolutely meaningless. Sure, you could believe that they are universal because of those statements, but if they haven't shown any feats, then we aren't accepting it.
Then again, if you truly believe they are universal, then chances are I won't be able to change your mind.
It doesn't have to say it. The statemens says it he will destroy it , it's 50/50 in one shot or not .It never says in one shot, ever.
Your assumption is that it is in one shot, which has never been shown, stated, or proven.
Stop saying "I don't have to prove", yes you do.
How is this unlimited and small supernova at the same time?Statements are evidence until proven otherwise. If said character didn't need to show that level of power, that doesn't mean he can't. Statements extrapolates what a character didn't show but is capable of doing. You can consider it to be hyperbole, but there no proof of that (no sign no nothing). But again , it's irrelevant at this point since I already proved that manga ssj3 goku is multi solar system above. Even saiyan saga , goku's spirit bomb is solar system level (who he scales above )
Please humor me, you haven't proven anything.It doesn't have to say it. The statemens says it he will destroy it , it's 50/50 in one shot or not .
I'm not assuming anything , the statements say he will do said action , it's 50/50 if it's one shot or not , I could argue we both are "assuming"
I was here to prove multi solar system ssj3 which I prove , the statements were here to extrapolate what those characters can do beyond what was showed. If you are not happy , that's your problem.
It doesn't matter. re-read the statement to understand. It's ether, the time that it takes or the fact that in later sagas (saiyan saga) , the spirit bomb as unlimited power.How is this unlimited and small supernova at the same time?
So it says small supernova and unlimited and you choose unlimited instead of small supernova. Classic ElherIt doesn't matter. re-read the statement to understand. It's ether, the time that it takes or the fact that in later sagas (saiyan saga) , the spirit bomb as unlimited power.
Yes, it ******* does. The statements clearly says that it has the power equivalence of a small supernova. That unlimited statement clearly was a hyperbole.It doesn't matter. re-read the statement to understand. It's ether, the time that it takes or the fact that in later sagas (saiyan saga) , the spirit bomb as unlimited power.
Ignorance fallacy , re-read above , I posted why cell is multi solar system level and people scaling above like ssj3 would scale as well. You would have to be ignorant to not take the time to read above and claim I didn't prove something when you didn't read anything.Please humor me, you haven't proven anything.
Statement: I will destroy this building.
People: There's a lot of ways. He could take it all out, he could break it down piece by piece, he could destroy the foundations of it.
Elher: He's gonna sub-atomize it.
This is how you are
I WILL LINK IT AGAIN.Yes, it ******* does. The statements clearly says that it has the power equivalence of a small supernova. That unlimited statement clearly was a hyperbole.
When the hell was a small supernova solar system?Or, (logical reasoning) a statement or feat is not a limitation of a character's power. Just because cell stated he can blow up a solar system, does not mean he's only solar system level. All that it's showing, is that said character is stronger than what people think. Hell, even Saiyan saga Goku's mini spirit bomb was said to be equal in power to a small supernova (in the lower scale of solar system level) (and later far surpass that level of power even, weaken base Vegeta from that saga can tank this level of energy).
I WILL LINK IT AGAIN.
"This this takes time..but is pretty much unlimited-by the end of the sagas"
BY THE END OF THE SAGAS. The supernova statement was for the saiyan saga.
No , a supernova can destroy a solar system, and In my previous replies,I said , lower solar system level.When the hell was a small supernova solar system?
Regular supernovas are borderline Large Star in energy output, and you pulled out Solar out of nowhere for a small one?
Ok , I didn't say it was, I just saids it's ether the time or the power. And it wouldn't make sense for it to be talking about time , since it still took goku a good amount of time to gather the spirit bomb.The unlimited probably refers to the previous sentence about the time limit.
Yes it is. Or if you prefer a low-end solar system level.Lower solar system level isn't a real rating?
Based on?No , a supernova can destroy a solar system, and In my previous replies,I said , lower solar system level.
He could stand there and still get more energy for an unlimited amount of timeOk , I didn't say it wasn't , I just saids it's ether the time or the power. And it wouldn't make sense for it to be talking about time , since it still took goku a good amount of time to gather the spirit bomb.
In your wiki maybe.It isn't a real rating, no.
Also, since you seem to really want Multi solar system/Universal Dragon Ball, then you can go ahead and make a CRT.
He doesn't make CRTs, he just says "they won't get accepted, wiki lowballs" then complainsIt isn't a real rating, no.
Also, since you seem to really want Multi solar system/Universal Dragon Ball, then you can go ahead and make a CRT.
And do you have a problem with that ?He doesn't make CRTs, he just says "they won't get accepted, wiki lowballs" then complains
Weird , I google and I found out that a supernova can destroy a solar system.Based on?
I just googled it and I didn't see a single thing about it.
Check energy output of a supernova, then check the Attack Potency chart
He could stand there and still get more energy for an unlimited amount of time
I will make it make if I decide to do so or people.What's the point of you saying all of this then, if you aren't planning on making a CRT?
In that wiki chart there is low-end and high end for energy output , I do not need to change the wiki for that.I mean, if you want to change ratings in the wiki or have something major to change, you must do a CRT?
I didn't derail, we both derailed. I technically proved my point and some of you still replyed to other points that didn't matter at that point.Well, if you wish.
Just don't derail other threads by saying stuff that aren't accepted.
It says around 1 foe.And no , I checked that wiki and the attk potency chart. And it,s well solar system level .
It says time, then it says unlimited after.The last statement is assumptions , the statements doesn't say none of that.
Ykw, some places says Solar System is possible for rapid and long process supernovas, so w.e.
Small supernova would fit w/ Large Star
Yes , I know that it says time and unlimited after , I already know that , I'm just here to say that statement doesn't make sense for it refering to time, unlimited or not it still takes times.It says around 1 foe.
1 for is Large Star, borderline Large Star even
It says time, then it says unlimited after.
Google Occams Razor. Heck, Occam's Razor isn't even needed.
He , @KingTempest , asked me to prove multi solar system level , I started with this supernova exemple to show that even in that state , they are already in the solar system ranges of energy , and than showings scans for ssj2 goku scaling to super perfect cell or above ssj2 teen gohan and proved that cell=multi solar system level. And then for the universal statements , that was just to show that feats aren't a limitations of what they can't do.I don't think what we are talking about is derailing though, since the thread asks why Goku isn't 4-A, and we are arguing about it here.
Ad nauseam , I literally proved above why cell is multi solar system and that goku scales from that , And i already told you that feats aren't a limitation of characters powers. Power level aren't needed , I showed scans above. The bs 881 billions times argument is irrelevant.Manga Goku isn't 4-A because 4-B is a wide ranged tier, and because of the refusal of Power Levels and lack of feats + the plethora of vague feats, Goku does not have a Multi Solar System tier.
It would need to be proven that Goku got 881 Billion times stronger from Cell Saga to Buu Saga.
Read , saying I didn't prove my point without evidences is not an argument.You didn't prove, you showed possibilities.
No scaling chain proves it, nothing.