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In agreement with your evaluation.
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DBS Zamasu Regen Upgrade
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EE Resistance should be added if regeneration isn't agreed to since Beerus can't Hakai Zamasu one way or the other imo
Likely/Possibly Mid Godly would be better in this case since while there isn't an exact feat of this happening but the statement which is refering to Immortality (Zamasu's Regeneration) does exist.
Likely/Possibly Mid Godly would be better in this case since while there isn't an exact feat of this happening but the statement which is refering to Immortality (Zamasu's Regeneration) does exist.
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I disagree with the oppositions. If it was just regeneration, then They woudn't focus on his immortality.
I agree with Mid godly, or likely mid godly.
I agree with Mid godly, or likely mid godly.
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Why would it be referring to a resistance...
Beerus says he cannot kill an immortal Zamasu. His immortality is based on regeneration of damage and not immunity to attacks, which we see when his he takes a beating in the future by Trunks/Goku and flexes. Not to mention how in the Manga, we see Zamasu has Mid-Godly anyway with the exact same statements more or less so it's not an insane leap to think that the same statement for his anime counterpart would be referring something similar. After all, nothing in the anime suggests resistance to EE either.
If you make the claim that it's referring resistance, you are going against the whole point of Zamasu's immortality which means you need evidence for it.
Basically: Zamasu's immortality is based on regeneration, Beerus states he cannot kill immortals like Zamasu, therefore Beerus cannot bypass his regen.
Give the Ningen slayer Mid-Godly or Likely Mid-Godly smh
Beerus says he cannot kill an immortal Zamasu. His immortality is based on regeneration of damage and not immunity to attacks, which we see when his he takes a beating in the future by Trunks/Goku and flexes. Not to mention how in the Manga, we see Zamasu has Mid-Godly anyway with the exact same statements more or less so it's not an insane leap to think that the same statement for his anime counterpart would be referring something similar. After all, nothing in the anime suggests resistance to EE either.
If you make the claim that it's referring resistance, you are going against the whole point of Zamasu's immortality which means you need evidence for it.
Basically: Zamasu's immortality is based on regeneration, Beerus states he cannot kill immortals like Zamasu, therefore Beerus cannot bypass his regen.
Give the Ningen slayer Mid-Godly or Likely Mid-Godly smh
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The OP is being rejected by many staffs. I guess its time to close this 
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Thats kinda wrong. Since the context for that statement refers to his Immortality. So unless you have proof that it refers to just resistance, then your disagreement is kinda invalid.
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Bro immortality on vsbattle is different from dragon ball
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Whatever terminology used should always be looked upon in the context of the verse, then applied here.
Also, Type 3 Immortality is via regeneration, and is on Zamasu's profile.
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Calm down mister hustling, a staff member agreed with us lolThe OP is being rejected by many staffs. I guess its time to close this
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It could go either way tbh since we're never shown how he'd deal with being slapped a Hakai and we're not really told much outside of his immortality making it useless against him, I can get why some aren't sold on the idea given it's not very explicit. Personally I'd lean a more towards him having mid-godly, given that one of the main traits of his immortality is regenerating and the fact that Whis states that him being immortal is what makes Hakai useless.
Push comes to shove could always slap both possibly mid-godly and possibly resistance to existence erasure on his profile, add a note explaining why, and if he's used in a VS thread have the OP choose which one of those he gets since obviously he can't have both the regen and the resistance at the same time.
Push comes to shove could always slap both possibly mid-godly and possibly resistance to existence erasure on his profile, add a note explaining why, and if he's used in a VS thread have the OP choose which one of those he gets since obviously he can't have both the regen and the resistance at the same time.
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ok Toby.
Context Wise, i change my opinion
Since Immortality there was referring to regeneration
Zamasu asked for immortality from Super Shenron which was basically regeneration and beerus being unable to kill an immortal zamasu means he has mid-godly regen.
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Well, I guess it makes sense, seeing as the hakai denies afterlife, which makes it impossible for a person to be reborn with a new body, and also denies type 7 immortality due to a ghost.
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This
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I agree with Mid-Godly regeneration but possobly/likely in front of it is fine as well.
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My question is: why would Zamasu be resistant to Hakai?
Zamasu pre-immortality was completely affected by Hakai and he wished for Immortality, not for being immune to Hakai
And regarding Manga Zamasu, he regenerating from Hakai is not enough proof for Mid-Godly:
Zamasu pre-immortality was completely affected by Hakai and he wished for Immortality, not for being immune to Hakai
And regarding Manga Zamasu, he regenerating from Hakai is not enough proof for Mid-Godly:
Goku didn't erase comoletely his body, mind and soul since the hakai didn't affect his whole body (it was interrupted by May). The scan used for his immortality is that not even Beerus could kill an immortal
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Can anynone point out who agrees and disagrees with the upgrade?
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we can talk about it on my message wall if youd like. id like to not derail this thread
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could be my little brother
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Agree: @godofice ,@Quantu ,@Roun12 ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@KLOL506 ,@Vietthai96 ,@Aacthintya31 ,@TheGreatBanana ,@Dust_Collector ,@LordGriffin1000 ,@Dalesean027 ,@Dragonite007, @pineappleman, @Quasar002,@Huesito88, @Marshadow29, @Braking
Disagree: @Firestorm808, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Rez
Neutral: @Maverick_Zero_X ( since he didn't show arguments for this, so he'll be neutral, until he gives his opinion about), @Small_Ophion
What's your opinion Ant?
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Yeah seeing the new scans and explanations mid godly seems fine
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Agree
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I don't think that's regeneration on a Mid-Godly level but rather just each timeline has their own version of Zamasu; erasing the present Zamasu had no effect on the one that lives in Future Trunks' timeline nor Goku Black, who came from a separate timeline altogether.
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Agree FRA
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But the scan literally says that Beerus can't destroy an Immortal Zamasu.
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Hmm. I guess someone now has to get the context.
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What you have said makes zero sense. What does erasing past zamasu not effecting future zamasu has anything to do with the thread? Zamasu is getting mid godly for having the ability to regenerate from soul and body EE, which is mid godly.
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here's your full context, playas
This happens after Infinite Zamasu gets nuked by Zeno, and it concerns the world that Mai and Future Trunks will move into. No killing past Zamasu to kill present/Immortal Zamasu shenanigans over here.
This happens after Infinite Zamasu gets nuked by Zeno, and it concerns the world that Mai and Future Trunks will move into. No killing past Zamasu to kill present/Immortal Zamasu shenanigans over here.
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To clarify, to be immune to the effects of the hakai is different from being able to regenerate from the hakai.
One has nothing happen while the other has you go through a process to get back to normal.
Is there general agreement that the Super Dragon Ball immortality is based off of only regen and not general resistances?
That the Hakai does affect Zamasu's body, but he regenerates from it?
One has nothing happen while the other has you go through a process to get back to normal.
Is there general agreement that the Super Dragon Ball immortality is based off of only regen and not general resistances?
That the Hakai does affect Zamasu's body, but he regenerates from it?
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Honestly theres statements/feats to support both, so im not sure.
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Wdym?
This isn’t for sdbh and SDBH’s is regen but what I’m using the manga and anime both have nearly the same statements and this isn’t resistance since hakai doesn’t finish him due to his immortality which is type 3 I don’t see where resistance is coming from
if it’s resistance to EE there would be no possibly but at the worst I can see Possibly/Likely Mid Godly Regen
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I don’t see how resistance is being argued when he can survive Hakai due to his immortality type 3 and the context makes that fully clear
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It's clear that he'd be surviving the Hakai through his Immortality, and not through existence erasure resistance. His Immortality has not been shown to be an adaptionary type, he just regens off stuff thrown his way.
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I agree. it has already been shown that zamasu is affected by hakai when bills erased him, that is, he has no resistance to EE.Zamasu would survive because of his immortality rather than some innate resistance to the Erasure of Existence. This is also clear from the context of the scene.
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It's explicitly shown in the manga, yes. We're determining if we should assume the same context for the anime.
If possible, we want to note for future reference if immortality granted by the anime Super Dragon Balls are based off of only regen and not any general resistances.
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Yes, that's what I'm referring to. To my knowledge, Zamasu's Immortality has only been shown to be active through regeneration and not adaption in both mediums
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Why would immortality [regen] give resistances to EE.
The context clearly attributes his survival to EE via regen.
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Thank you this is what I’m saying
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Like, The context clearly refers to his immortality.
How did people come to the conclusion that it refers to resistance, or his past/future argument is beyond me. It seems like that the arguments are reaching for a straw that doesn't exist.
How did people come to the conclusion that it refers to resistance, or his past/future argument is beyond me. It seems like that the arguments are reaching for a straw that doesn't exist.
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To reiterate, I haven't given a hard stance on anything yet.
If we're all on the same page that Super Shenron granted Zamasu only enhanced regen, and it's that regen that let's him not die from Hakai, which in turn is immortality type 3, I can agree with that.
If we're all on the same page that Super Shenron granted Zamasu only enhanced regen, and it's that regen that let's him not die from Hakai, which in turn is immortality type 3, I can agree with that.
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