DBS Manga Speed

[ShivaShakti]

The Calc was already evaluated and accepted, you can't just dump it becouse you don't feel like it.

Otherwise, we would have to downgrade DBS Anime too......

So there aren't much options to pick.

Accept it or downgrade DBS Anime.

Pick one

Great suggestion. Let's downgrade the anime as well.

 

[God900]

This is an appeal to tradition and not a valid counterargument.

What's the point?...., if not Ki attacks or Shockwaves can scale, then the Anime shouldn't deserve that rating no?

I find it hard to understand how this calc has been accepted for years and yet nobody complain about it. This is beyond me.

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay but can you give a valid response to this, it's the second time it's been glossed over when it directly contradicts the claim you made.

Their fists colliding with universal force is explicitly what resulted in the shockwaves spreading across the world; they did not create the shockwaves with their Ki

Nah anime still makes much more of a note about the clash and the ki's of Goku and Beerus that said this is still something you can't look past


If there's no control over these such shockwaves when universal powers clash then they'd definitely make note of that and express the same level of destruction being present from this when we see it doesn't come close to that scale from a more experienced Goku

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Seems pretty insane if they can create things that move that fast but don't move that fast themselves.

That’s not unusual at all.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Also I wanna note the anime speed is based on Goku and Beerus’ energy creating a ki sphere that would engulf the universe upon exploding, not the shockwaves.

Comparable to the speed of the explosion from the ki sphere which SSG Goku and Beerus created in their final clash, which threatened to engulf the entire universe in mere moments

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I can't believe so many people are ignoring the fact the anime speed feat doesn't even factor the shockwaves

 

[God900]

Also I wanna note the anime speed is based on Goku and Beerus’ energy creating a ki sphere that would engulf the universe upon exploding, not the shockwaves.

Still, Null said Ki attacks wouldn't scale to their full speed aswell, lol

 

[God900]

I can't believe so many people are ignoring the fact the anime speed feat doesn't even factor the shockwaves

The fact that Null says that now Shockwaves nor Ki attacks or explosion scale neither.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Anyway I disagree with the upgrade FRA

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If there's no control over these such shockwaves when universal powers clash then they'd definitely make note of that

Why would they do that?

Why would they break the flow of the scene to address the fact that, "Oh, my gosh!! The shock waves from Earth that Goku and Beerus accidentally created and have agency independent from the two have managed to travel to this realm, as well?!"

Anyone with eyes (you have those, right?) would be able to determine that very fact without explicitly being spoon-fed the information by simply looking at the image.

They throw a punch at each other, and the force of their fists colliding results in a mighty shock wave. They did not throw a punch at each other, then expel their Ki in order to produce ultra-powerful Kiai to attempt to telekinetically repel each other like Anakin and Obi-Wan or something.

and express the same level of destruction being present from this when we see it doesn't come close to that scale from a more experienced Goku

Downgrade from 3-A?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The fact that Null says that now Shockwaves nor Ki attacks or explosion scale neither.

This is a strawman and an ad hominem. You are just knocking it out of the park, today!

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I also disagree with the upgrade based on Null and Damage's points

On the other hand, we should calc Gas' Speed feat on the last chapter as it is easily MFTL+...I think ?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

we should calc Gas' Speed feat on the last chapter as it is easily MFTL+

Already done it.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Gas’s feat is blatant is super blatant so why don’t we just use that?

 

[Spinoirr]

There is a feat where champa and vados were in the living world of universe 7 and went to the Kai planet like in a second (we didn't see them warp)

 

[Dalesean027]

Downgrade from 3-A

Lol what next city level king piccolo again because of AoE and AP separation doesn't exist apparently

Gas’s feat is blatant is super blatant so why don’t we just use that?

Already done it.

Right here we are, this current one is just about this specific calc

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Already done it.

Nice

I was surprised by that feat, considering how straightforward MFTL+ it is (and after Gas got caught by a truck on the very same cap)

 

[God900]

This is a strawman and an ad hominem. You are just knocking it out of the park, today!

Considering in many threads it's already been established that these characters scale to their shockwaves, ki blast, and explosions I don't see why this would be any different

Past threads can be wrong.

 

[Quantu]

Which end of the Gas feat calc would be used?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

tbh, I feel like downgrading is always the way to go

 

[God900]

Nice

I was surprised by that feat, considering how straightforward MFTL+ it is (and after Gas got caught by a truck on the very same cap)

Only few characters would scale, considering this Guy stronger than even Jiren lol.

 

[thetechmaster36]

Which end of the Gas feat calc would be used?

Hasn't been properly evaluated yet, so we don't know

 

[Orange]

There is a feat where champa and vados were in the living world of universe 7 and went to the Kai planet like in a second (we didn't see them warp)

Should this be calc'd instead? I dunno if it can even be calced or scaled to anyone relevant.

 

[Dalesean027]

Either way the gas feat is definitely the way to go whether this is accepted or not which seemingly it won't be still an upgrade either way

 

[God900]

Either way the gas feat is definitely the way to go whether this is accepted or not which seemingly it won't be still an upgrade either way

Gas speed feat would scale to very few characters sadly

 

[Nullflowerblush]

(we didn't see them warp)

We do, though.

 

[JirensMom]

No one scales except Beerus, Whis and maybe next chapter Goku

Elec said Gas is by FAR and away the strongest in the Universe

Gas wasn’t going all out on Goku.

And Gas is most likely flying at full speed towards planet cereal

 

[Damage3245]

Ok then, if it's so wrong why we were using that feat to scale DBS characters speed through all this years then?.

Because people don't like examing high-level feats too closely? Maybe?

Just a thought.

 

[God900]

No one scales except Beerus, Whis and maybe next chapter Goku

Elec said Gas is by FAR and away the strongest in the Universe

Gas wasn’t going all out on Goku.

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[JirensMom]

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Unfortunately

 

[God900]

What we could use is Jiren's speed feat travelling intellestelar distances

 

[Quantu]

Goku should scale, he was somewhat doing okay against Gas as Blue so should be able to get it at PUI or sign

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The DBS manga currently only uses DBZ values and this shockwave speed scaling very clearly isn’t going through, so have any of Chou’s notable speed feats been calculated?

• SSJB Goku fires a Kamehameha that exits the Nameless Planet and travels across the Super Dragon Balls (each of which have a confirmed diameter of 37,196.2204 kilometers). Hit reacts to this attack | Chapter 13
• Piccolo tags a fleeing spaceship | Chapter 52
• Jiren crossed an interplanetary distance faster than a spaceship could | Chapter 30
• Beerus and Whis fly to from Beerus’ planet to King Kai's planet and then to Earth | Chapter 2
• Champa and Vados fly from an unknown point in tbe living world to the Kaiōshin Realm | Chapter 3
• Beerus and Champa quickly fly between interplanetary distances while engaging in combat | Chapter 6
• Whis flies from Beerus’ planet to Earth in an hour | Chapter 27

 

[God900]

Jiren crossed an interplanetary distance faster than a spaceship could | Chapter

This one, perhaps?

 

[speedster352]

I agree fra

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How come Goku and Beerus can create an energy shockwave that can travel without a medium without scaling to it's speed?

 

[Damage3245]

How come Goku and Beerus can create an energy shockwave that can travel without a medium without scaling to it's speed?

Why not?

 

[sanicspood]

why do we need new speed feats this badly, they already scale to mftl+ via dbz

 

[Quantu]

Because there are a plethora of feats faster than the current scaling which puts them massively low in the MFTL+ range

 

[speedster352]

why do we need new speed feats this badly, they already scale to mftl+ via dbz

We also need to fix the lifting strength of dbs manga