I've kinda been wondering this myself.
Because these shockwaves were created by their own power. Ki users can create shockwaves already and they scale to them.
Ki users unleash powerful gusts of wind by traveling faster than the speed of sound. This is nothing like that.
Meh correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they in fact happening because they weren't matching in power which caused the collateral damage and threatened to destroy the universe it's literally from them punching and making the shockwaves so that should be evidence for them scaling in fact since they can control whether or not they want to do this which they obviously don't
No they don't. They release ki by doing kiai which is a burst of ki. they can do this via ki. They can also dodge their own shockwaves.
"Or the emission of KI"Their fists colliding with universal force is explicitly what resulted in the shockwaves spreading across the world; they did not create the shockwaves with their Ki.
The scan you sent explicitly stated within the atmosphere the shockwave we see literally travels throughout the entire universe and is felt in the kaio-shin realm besides it's because Goku had not raised his Ki to beerus's level in the first two clashes and attacked with less power that they were produced. And again that's within atmosphere in the scan you sentTheir fists colliding with universal force is explicitly what resulted in the shockwaves spreading across the world; they did not create the shockwaves with their Ki.
So they have the power to send shockwaves flying at beyond MFTL speeds. That means they have power to move at these speeds. Seems pretty insane if they can create things that move that fast but don't move that fast themselves.
I can snap and create a sound. Am I Supersonic, now?
They are not sending anything anywhere. These shock waves are independent from Goku and Beerus, and they travel throughout the universe on their own volition.
so I may have been equivalating them
Established where? And previously "established" reasoning can be wrong (as this evidently is).
Because they don't scale to the speed of their shockwaves. It's never been proven that they have. Saying that "DBS characters scale to ki blasts and explosions which are produced by ki therefore they scale to their shockwaves in this one instance which are also produced by ki" is a non-sequitur, and implies that every shockwave produced within the franchise is a product of kaia
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Pretty sure I said I made an equivalence between manga and animeMore scans of shockwaves and kaia is super should definitely be put into this thread to see the consistency of it's portrayal in the super manga since I went back and read the chapter where this happens and it's quite different from the anime the clash is faster but yes it's not noted to do anything with their power or ki like in the anime
This is a false analogy. That is not the same as punching so hard to create a shockwave of energy that can travel in the vacuum of space without a medium at beyond light speeds.
They are a result of their energy. That wouldn't mean they don't scale just because they aren't sending them anywhere.
Nah anime still makes much more of a note about the clash and the ki's of Goku and Beerus that said this is still something you can't look past
And the anime one does?...., you have two options as I said above, you decide.
Downgrade the anime. Why are there even two options? If the anime iterations of Goku and Beerus scale to the speed of the shock waves based off of the same, faulty logic, then stop scaling them that way.
Appeal to tradition, you need an actual reason for why they should scale to the speed of the shockwaves and not just "oh, well, we've been doing it for years, why downgrade them now??"
