Battle of Gods 3-A Downgrade

[Nullflowerblush]

DBS - Universe 7's destruction

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This calculation is invalid.

1. The map of the macrocosm is not drawn to scale. The length of Snake Way is not comparable to the radius of the globe.
2. The calculation assumes that the observable universe takes place in the center of the bottom half of the globe as though the bottom half were a big bowl, and the universe were a giant ball. This is not correct, as, once again, the map is not drawn to scale and nothing within the dimensional barrier separating Other World from the Living Universe is visible.
3. The Living Universe, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai are all separate dimensions, unconnected by space. Attempting to calculate the distance and size between and of all three like one would calculate the distance and size between and of three planets in the same galaxy is invalid.

Refer to "A brief overview of Dragon Ball cosmology".

Because of this, determining the size and the GPE of the Realm of the Kai, which contributes immensely to the final result, is no longer a valid option, and all 3-A characters that scale to Super Saiyan God and Beerus would be downgraded from 27x baseline to 3.9x baseline.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Interesting thread, following. For now, I am neutral.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I should probably gather those scans up and put them in a blog, because they could be useful for things like Instant Transmission's range.

 

[denzeelmao]

Wouldn't this still hold up?
If it does, They'd be X3.984 Above baseline.

 

[TauanVictor]

Interesting. Following. For now, I'm neutral.

This will result in a sh*t....

 

[denzeelmao]

Even then I don't know about this... I'll still follow. Neutral for now.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Wouldn't this still hold up?
If it does, They'd be X3.984 Above baseline.

That calculation only uses the diameter of the observable universe, so yes.

This thread really only affects the Battle of Gods calculation.

 

[denzeelmao]

That calculation only uses the diameter of the observable universe, so yes.

So yes, they'd still be X3.984 baseline even if this DOES go through.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

So yes, they'd still be X3.984 baseline even if this DOES go through.

That would scale to the manga.

 

[denzeelmao]

Ah, i thought you were talking about Chou. So this is to downgrade both or only the anime?

 

[Arceus0x]

DBS 3-A nerf

it's not a nerf from Low 2-C to 3-A

 

[Braking]

Ah, i thought you were talking about Chou. So this is to downgrade both or only the anime?

pretty sure its only the manga idk

 

[denzeelmao]

Yeah, I'm also confused. Which DBS are you trying to downgrade?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The anime.

 

[Braking]

The anime.

ight

 

[denzeelmao]

Low 2-C would stay the same with this downgrade?

 

[Braking]

its only making the bog feat baseline 3-A (or just 4 times)

 

[denzeelmao]

I see. still Neutral until someone knowledgeable comes through.

 

[TauanVictor]

Is the cosmology of Universe 7 different in the DB manga?

 

[Braking]

im also neutral for now

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Even assuming the bottom half is the diameter of the universe, it’ll still be above baseline using inverse square law.

 

[KLOL506]

For the last part, A RESOUNDING NO.

They would still not be baseline even if we were to assume normal IRL universe diameter for the globe of Universe 7. Because as it stands, Earth is still at the edge of the universe, and they would still need more firepower to destroy everything at the edge from the edge than if they were thrashing each other at the dead center of the universe, which they weren't. Why? Inverse-square law, that's why.

I am neutral regarding the size of the universe as that is more up the alley of DarkDragonMedeus and AKM sama and it was discussed with them in this exact thread, but I disagree with baseline 3-A simply because of inverse-square law.

 

[KLOL506]

@DarkDragonMedeus @AKM sama Your help here would be appreciated. You were the ones that proposed the current structure of the typical DB Universe.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Damn, I thought it was a downgrade based on the narrator being wrong about the universe being destroyed

 

[KLOL506]

Is the cosmology of Universe 7 different in the DB manga?

No, it's the exact same.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

For the last part, A RESOUNDING NO.

Oh yeah that final point is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. It’s like a never ending nightmare.

 

[ObberGobb]

I'm kind of confused. If "The Living Universe, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai are all separate dimensions, unconnected by space", wouldn't that make destroying all of them a 2-C feat? I'm not advocating for that change, I'm just wondering why that's not the case.

 

[KLOL506]

I'm kind of confused. If "The Living Universe, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai are all separate dimensions, unconnected by space", wouldn't that make destroying all of them a 2-C feat? I'm not advocating for that change, I'm just wondering why that's not the case.

They are separate dimensions but apparently they share the same exact flow of time.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

They are separate dimensions but apparently they share the same exact flow of time.

for some reason.

Even assuming the bottom half is the diameter of the universe, it’ll still be above baseline using inverse square law.

In that case, they would be 3.9x baseline, then, no?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

for some reason.

In that case, they would be 3.9x baseline, then, no?

Idk. Why don’t you calc it? As a matter of fact, why didn’t you just do that before instead of assuming baseline? Bozo.

 

[KLOL506]

for some reason.

In that case, they would be 3.9x baseline, then, no?

You'd have to find Earth's position in the Universe first, bozo.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Idk. Why don’t you calc it?

Why would I do that when you already have?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Hold on a second, why would Inverse Square Law even be used in the first place when the feat in question — Goku and Beerus threatening to erase the universe with shockwaves — does not revolve around...

1. An explosion
2. Newton's law of universal gravitation
3. Coulomb's law?

I'm not too knowledgeable on the exact mechanics of Inverse Square Law. I've only used it for explosion calculations. Could you clue me in?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Why would I do that when you already have?

You said the calc was wrong. So why didn’t you think to recalculate it instead of downgrading it to baseline?

Hold on a second, why would Inverse Square Law even be used in the first place when the feat in question — Goku and Beerus threatening to erase the universe with shockwaves — does not revolve around...

1. An explosion
2. Newton's law of universal gravitation
3. Coulomb's law?

I'm not too knowledgeable on the exact mechanics of Inverse Square Law. I've only used it for explosion calculations. Could you clue me in?

LMAO

 

[KLOL506]

Hold on a second, why would Inverse Square Law even be used in the first place when the feat in question — Goku and Beerus threatening to erase the universe with shockwaves — does not revolve around...

1. An explosion
2. Newton's law of universal gravitation
3. Coulomb's law?

I'm not too knowledgeable on the exact mechanics of Inverse Square Law. I've only used it for explosion calculations. Could you clue me in?

HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE GOT OUR TIERS 4 AND 3?

New GBE Formula: Revised Attack Potency

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[KLOL506]

Why would I do that when you already have?

That's with the old globe cosmology format bozo

 

[Nullflowerblush]

You said the calc was wrong. So why didn’t you think to recalculate it instead of downgrading it to baseline?

That calculation only uses the diameter of the observable universe, so yes.

Seventh post.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Would you like for me to recreate the blog, just without the image?

 

[KLOL506]

Seventh post.

Ah, so basically assume the entire globe to be 8.8e+26 m in diameter then. Gotcha.

 

[KLOL506]

Would you like for me to recreate the blog, just without the image?

I think AKM's own explanation/scaling blog can add it in later. That's a much better place for it and keeps things more organized.

That being said, still waiting for AKM and DDM to elaborate.