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[Vizer04]

MFTL+ Scaling

Base Goku (Cell Games) > 4.38 quadrillion times FTL

SSJ Goku (Cell Games) > 219 quadrillion times FTL

SS3 Goku scales above that, so > 219 quadrillion times FTL

Base Goku (GT) scales above that, so > 219 quadrillion times FTL

SSJ Goku (GT) > 10.95 quintillion times FTL

EDIT: Here's the blog

 

[EmilioRory10]

I agree

 

[SirAlex09]

I agree as well. Your CRTs have improved. But hold on: Do you think it's too soon for me to meme on " Numbers too high lets close it" ?

 

[KLOL506]

Toei as a whole needs its speed to be revised. The Piccolo moon beam feat was calc'd to be around 0.7455 c.

 

[Orange]

Wouldn't gogeta in Base be stronger than goku ssj4, thus gogeta ssj1 would be 50 ish quintillion likely 500 ish quintillion?

 

[SirAlex09]

Also I think Limit breaker SSJ4 should scale to Omega Shenron NVM goku overpowered Syn not Omega

 

[Orange]

Toei as a whole needs its speed to be revised. The Piccolo moon beam feat was calc'd to be around 0.7455 c.

That, and I don't know of the goku feat is used [when he escaped the gravitational pull of the sun] that led to 600~km/s ish results?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Good but low ball and you're missing some stuff...
SSJ buu goku Base buu goku ~ base gohan post z sword > Dabura / cell > SSJ Goku cell saga > 50x 4.38x10^15 value
Buutenks is buu + Gohan so 2x that.
SSJ2 Gohan is 2x SP cell.
SSJ GT Goku post baby is > Uub > SSJ3 Goku baby saga.
Of course omega x10 syn. base Gogeta is possibly > SSJ4 Goku shadow dragons arc, so SSJ4 Gogeta would be at least 50x
Most likely the SSJ4 multiplier won't be accepted as great ape isn't even accepted in the first place.
Good job.

 

[Orange]

New multipliers:
Ssj goku: 10.95 quintillion.c
Ssj4 goku: 109.5 quintillion.c [wouldn't ssj4 be ssj+ greate ap = godlen ape = 500?]
Base gogeta: 109.5 quintillion.C
Ssj gogeta: 5475 quintillion.c aka 5.47sextillion.c
Ssj4 gogeta [I'm using the 10x multiplier that's in the blog] : 54.7 sextillion.c

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I agree with everything here but honestly, the scaling chain between GT Goku and Buu Saga Goku is massive.

We know that Super Saiyan 4 is comparable to Golden Great Ape: Super Saiyan (50x multiplier) + Great Ape (10x multiplier) = Golden Great Ape

On the topic of Super Saiyan multipliers, there are multiple guidebooks stating that Full Power Super Saiyan is more powerful than Third Grade Super Saiyan in the anime, meaning that the multiplier of Super Saiyan 4 would actually be much higher than five hundred times.

Base Goku (GT) scales above that, so > 219 quadrillion times FTL

The chain would look like something like: GT Goku >~ Rilldo > End of Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku >~ Kid Buu > Buuhan > End of Buu Saga SSJ Goku ~ Fake Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Piccolo = Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Piccolo >>> Super Buu >>> Beginning of Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku >= Innocent Buu >>>>>> Majin Vegeta > Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cell Games Base Goku, so yeah, base GT Goku is definitely way higher than two-nineteen quadrillion times the speed of light. It's essentially the gap between current Blueku and Godku in the fight with Beerus.

I agree with this much more than I do with canon Dragon Ball getting MFTL+ off of a single Relativistic+ feat, especially when GT has more MFTL+ feats to back up their rating.

 

[SirAlex09]

Sorry Nullflower :/ I have to annoy you bro

 

[Orange]

Yeah, you can edit the multiplier of ssj4, and base gogeta should be above ssj4 goku and vegeta combined

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Sorry Nullflower :/ I have to annoy you bro

This is awesome. It's better than nullflowerblush's comment.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agreed

 

[azontr]

Vizer got cucked out of his argument with null. Poor guy.

 

[Orange]

Bump?

 

[RisingIons]

How the hell is great ape multiplier not accepted?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Agree with everything

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Actually iirc Ssj4 Gogeta was stated to be dozens of times stronger than a regular Ssj4

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not certain about Ozaru being a 10x multiplier for speed, but otherwise the 50x stuff looks fine to me.

 

[Vizer04]

I'm not certain about Ozaru being a 10x multiplier for speed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

He just said, he needs to concentrate his power and needs 10 seconds. Not sure how that's being compared to the 10x Kaioken.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

10 seconds is just a time frame for something to charge, not evidence he amps himself 10 times over.

 

[Vizer04]

Vegeta said his Ki was larger, ten times.

Ten times strenght, then times durability and ten times speed. That's how Ki works.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That wasn't in the specific scan, also since this is the GT/Toei continuity, wouldn't a clip from the classic DBZ Anime be the one that takes priority? Just something I forgot to mention.

 

[Vizer04]

I have a question, wouldn't fusion be at least a x1000 multiplier?

Base Goku << SSJ Goku (50x) << Base Vegito << Super Vegito (50x)

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I have a question, wouldn't fusion be at least a x1000 multiplier?

Base Goku << SSJ Goku (50x) << Base Vegito << Super Vegito (50x)

1. That's scaling.
2. Fusion is the base fusion compared to the base fusees. Not an individual one and not the transformed fusion. So it's base goku and vegeta < base vegito.
3. 50 x 50 is 2500 where the hell did you get 1000x from?

 

[Vizer04]

1. That's scaling.

And?

2. Fusion is the base fusion compared to the base fusees. Not an individual one and not the transformed fusion. So it's base goku and vegeta < base vegito.

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

3. 50 x 50 is 2500 where the hell did you get 1000x from?

Sorry, my brain just stopped working for a second.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

And?

The point is you can't get a multiplier from scaling like that, and you also need consistency which fusion is not.

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

Super saiyan is not a part of the fusion multiplier, so you need to use base vegito only. I guess you can say fusion is at least 50x, since that is pretty consistent though.

 

[Vizer04]

Super saiyan is not a part of the fusion multiplier, so you need to use base vegito only.

Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

Yeah that'd only make him scale 50x above them in base, maybe 2x that too, SSJ vegito won't be used as it's not part of the fusion multiplier.

 

[CBslayeR]

isn't Base Vegito stronger than SSJ3 though, he fought Buuhan in base and Goku said he stood no chance against Buutenks in SSJ3 iirc

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

isn't Base Vegito stronger than SSJ3 though, he fought Buuhan in base and Goku said he stood no chance against Buutenks in SSJ3 iirc

Yeah but SSJ3's 400x is not accepted here.

 

[CBslayeR]

I'm aware but he should scale far above SSJ2 which is accepted as a 2x multiplier here iirc

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I'm aware but he should scale far above SSJ2 which is accepted as a 2x multiplier here iirc

it's not, SSJ2 is quite possibly the furthest from a 2 times multiplier you can get.

 

[Vizer04]

Base Vegito is at least 100 times above Base Goku and Vegeta, and that difference would only increase with time. I think it's pretty safe to use it as a multiplier.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Base Vegito is at least 100 times above Base Goku and Vegeta, and that difference would only increase with time. I think it's pretty safe to use it as a multiplier.

Actually no, base gogeta which is supposed to be the same multiplier is above SSB Goku and vegeta. It's still inconsistent, and I think you need an official multiplier for it to be used, you can't get one from scaling. Edit: that's super continuity I'm stupid. Well it's still inconsistent, since gotenks has a far higher boost than vegito iirc.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

there's that statement from the gt perfect files which states that gogeta is dozens of times more powerful a super saiyan 4, and that vegito is comparable to or even more powerful than a super saiyan 4

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

there's that statement from the gt perfect files which states that gogeta is dozens of times more powerful a super saiyan 4, and that vegito is comparable to or even more powerful than a super saiyan 4

That vegito statement cannot be true, it literally doesn't work with the scaling.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

it literally doesn't work with the scaling

How come?
Vegito exists in a vacuum of scaling. He is far superior to Buuhan in his base form without even trying, and then he completely shat on him as a Super Saiyan, even after he powered up through the anime-only Vice Shout. SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were more powerful than Buuhan at the climax of the Majin Buu Conflict means nothing to him because he completely dwarfs Buuhan in power, whereas Kid Buu is simply "stronger" than him.

Besides, Potara Fusion is established to be far superior to Metamoran Fusion, and Vegito being more powerful than Super Saiyan 4s is consistent with Gogeta being dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan 4s.