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[Vizer04]

I agree with Nullflower on this lol

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How come?
Vegito exists in a vacuum of scaling. He is far superior to Buuhan in his base form without even trying, and then he completely shat on him as a Super Saiyan, even after he powered up through the anime-only Vice Shout. SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were more powerful than Buuhan at the climax of the Majin Buu Conflict means nothing to him because he completely dwarfs Buuhan in power, whereas Kid Buu is simply "stronger" than him.

Besides, Potara Fusion is established to be far superior to Metamoran Fusion, and Vegito being more powerful than Super Saiyan 4s is consistent with Gogeta being dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan 4s.

I can't remember the fight well, but wasn't vegito relative to buuhan is base but needed SSJ to beat him completely? That's why I said the scaling doesn't work. Maybe I'm wrong because I keep mixing up the canon with the anime. Also kid buu should be weaker than super buu even in the anime despite being stated stronger, but that's another discussion.

 

[BlastX]

Base Vegito demolished Buuhan, the only reason he had trouble at first was that he was still adapting to his new body, he still kicked back one of his strongest attacks with ease.

 

[RisingIons]

I personally have SS4 as well over 5000x base.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Fusion is the base fusion compared to the base fusees. Not an individual one and not the transformed fusion. So it's base goku and vegeta < base vegito.

Actually, Base Vegito >>>>> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta (likely by tens of times according to Vados in DBS). In DBS, Base Vegito fodderizes both SSGSS Saiyans easily but we aren't talking about DBS here

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Actually, Base Vegito >>>>> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta (likely by tens of times according to Vados in DBS). In DBS, Base Vegito fodderizes both SSGSS Saiyans easily but we aren't talking about DBS here

yes that's what I meant it's just that wasn't the point I was making so I didn't go into detail.

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

let me ask a question so now DB characters speed are in the top 20 fastest MFTL+ now?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

let me ask a question so now DB characters speed are in the top 20 fastest MFTL+ now?

They already are I think.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

DBS I think are in the Top 10 for MFTL+ speed, and DBGT would be lower, but idk by how much

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

DBS I think are in the Top 10 for MFTL+ speed, and DBGT would be lower, but idk by how much

I remember Sonic speed was 324 octillion faster than light and he was in top 5

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I remember Sonic speed was 324 octillion faster than light and he was in top 5

Well, both DBGT and DBS are not as fast as Archie Sonic

DBS caps at the septillions I think with Gogeta Blue, and GT caps at much lower

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

Well, both DBGT and DBS are not as fast as Archie Sonic

DBS caps at the septillions I think with Gogeta Blue, and GT caps at much lower

Septillion? DB profile still sextillion but I found septillion in multiplier page

 

[DragonLord]

Kid Buu > Buuhan

Kid Buu Chads rise up

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Septillion? DB profile still sextillion but I found septillion in multiplier page

Yeah. Since Base Gogeta > SSB Goku and then you apply SSB on top of it

 

[DragonLord]

Also I think Limit breaker SSJ4 should scale to Omega Shenron NVM goku overpowered Syn not Omega

I mean Base Goku was tanking Omega Shenron’s attacks after maybe maybe not dying

 

[Vizer04]

Is there an accepted SSB multiplier?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Is there an accepted SSB multiplier?

Yeah. 2500 times by applying the SSJ multiplier twice. Since: SSB = SSJ * SSG = 50 * SSG >>>>>>>>> SSJ = 50 * Base

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Yeah. 2500 times by applying the SSJ multiplier twice. Since: SSB = SSJ * SSG = 50 * SSG >>>>>>>>> SSJ = 50 * Base

Wouldn't that mean Base Goku should be 3-B instead of 4-B?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Wouldn't that mean Base Goku should be 3-B instead of 4-B?

He should be 3-B yes, but that's for another thread

 

[Theendzero13]

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Necro Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Mini Bump

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

This definitely seems important.

 

[Vizer04]

This definitely seems important.

It seems that not to everyone.

 

[Bababo]

Agree

 

[Vizer04]

Kid Buu > Buuhan

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It sounds dumb but it's true.

 

[KLOL506]

It sounds dumb but it's true.

I find that hard to believe, since Kid Buu is generally more ruthless and was able to hold his own against SSJ3 Goku while Buuhan required a freakin' fusion to go toe-to-toe against.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I find that hard to believe, since Kid Buu is generally more ruthless and was able to hold his own against SSJ3 Goku while Buuhan required a freakin' fusion to go toe-to-toe against.

Kid buu is only stronger in the anime, in canon, buuhan ***** all over that fodder.

 

[KLOL506]

Kid buu is only stronger in the anime, in canon, buuhan ***** all over that fodder.

Basically this.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

If I haven't said it before, I agree with what was agreed with.

Have you messaged Ant and the DB experts?

 

[Vizer04]

I made a blog with the scaling chain

 

[Antvasima]

I trust @DarkDragonMedeus' sense of judgement.

 

[Vizer04]

Fair enough, but what about the rest of the scaling chain?

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[Antvasima]

Fair enough, but what about the rest of the scaling chain?

I do not know. Sorry.

What do you think @DarkDragonMedeus , @AKM sama , and @Dominodalek ?

 

[Orange]

Dominodalek is not interested/knowledgeable about the scaling of GT or any anime related manner. It's wiser to contact Ottavio or more other knowledgeable Members such as Zamasu-chan.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can somebody write a good explanation regarding what currently needs to be evaluated here please?

 

[AKM sama]

I am not sure if we have an accepted multiplier for SSJ4.

Gogeta's 100x Big Bang Kamehameha is only limited to that one attack. It doesn't mean Gogeta himself is 100x powerful.

The SSJ multiplier is good to use, I guess.