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Darth Sidious vs Reimu Hakurei

Spatial Manip doesn't work against Sidious, as Sidious just tanks Force Storms with ease, Force Storm are stated to have been manipulating Space and Time, So, Spatial Manip doesn't work on Sidious.

Also, Sidious is way above the Sith Lord Odion with the helm of Iedis who can mind manip all of the inhabitants in the galaxy to kill each other, so Sidious can mind hax a galaxy worth of population.

Sidious just insta mind hax her with ease, no contest.
 
Reimu is resistant to mind hax so that's irrelevant. Fantasy heaven should allow her to be the victor here.

The moon is literally meant to drive people insane. Whether the range here is different or not shouldn't actually be used as a didactic deduction considering the powers are both suppose to use the same effect.

GhpE8Ou
 
The Wright Way said:
Sidious can mindhax quadrillions. Her resistance means nothing.
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The quantity is quite irrelevant here, they're both doing the same effect no? Messing with the mind itself, trying to deduce that it would somewhat make a difference only when its doing to the same exact thing is redundant
 
That's a rather haphazard way to judge potency. It'd only mean that the range of the ability is better, not that the ability itself would do more detrimental damage to the victim.
 
The quantity is quite irrelevant here, they're both doing the same effect no? Messing with the mind itself, trying to deduce that it would somewhat make a difference only when its doing to the same exact thing is redundant

If this were true, Homura's 2-A mind manip could be resisted by anyone who has some swmblance of mind manip resist.
 
Progralic said:
That's a rather haphazard way to judge potency. It'd only mean that the range of the ability is better, not that the ability itself would do more detrimental damage to the victim.
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No, range is how far away you can affect the victim from. If someone can dominate the minds of quadrillions casually, including those with resistance, then what good is Reimu's resistance going to do against all of that potency focused on one person?
 
Homura's mindhax is working on someone whose coordinates would be on the 4th dimensional axis. No duh it would swat reimu away lol. We're talking about two 3rd dimensional characters with mindhax that have the same logical effect
 
The Wright Way said:
Progralic said:
That's a rather haphazard way to judge potency. It'd only mean that the range of the ability is better, not that the ability itself would do more detrimental damage to the victim.
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No, range is how far away you can affect the victim from. If someone can dominate the minds of quadrillions casually, including those with resistance, then what good is Reimu's resistance going to do against all of that potency focused on one person?
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Wait people who had resistance couldn't counter it? Why didn't you say so.

Scans for that statement?
 
It isn't. When has it been deduced that it can bypass people who has resistance to this. All of those numbers could've been susceptible to his capabilities thus could fall victim to the ability, hence why I'm saying it's irrelevant. If you can prove people who has resistance couldn't bypass this then I'll concede
 
RCursedGentleman said:
Unless she can use probability manipulation before he mindhaxes her and is a thing she would do in character, then yeah.
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Reimu is naturally lucky thanks to one of the layers that alters probability within the cosmology iirc.
 
Besides, isn't the moon thing only a resistance to madness inducement or whatever?

Besides, I am pretty sure that Planet Mindhax is inferior to Galaxy Mindhax
 
driving people insane is literally messing with the mind lol. Again range is irrelevant, is it affecting people who are susceptible to the ability? Yes, is reimu vulnerable to the ability? No because she resisted it before, so the onus would be on you to deduce on whether or not he can bypass her resistance
 
Progralic said:
It isn't. When has it been deduced that it can bypass people who has resistance to this. All of those numbers could've been susceptible to his capabilities thus could fall victim to the ability, hence why I'm saying it's irrelevant. If you can prove people who has resistance couldn't bypass this then I'll concede
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That's not how it works here. I'd say make a Content Revision Thread but it's been brought up and debunked before. We go off of how many the mind hax can affect at once.

Look at it this way. The more you spread your mindhax across different people, the less affective it becomes because you have to divert your attention to each of them. We assume characters are at their strongest so Sidious isn't mindhaxing anyone at the moment. Imagine how much power Sidious must have behind his hax if he doesn't have to focus on control several people. Imagine all that power focused on Reimu. You get my drift.
 
Progralic said:
driving people insane is literally messing with the mind lol. Again range is irrelevant, is it affecting people who are susceptible to the ability? Yes, is reimu vulnerable to the ability? No because she resisted it before, so the onus would be on you to deduce on whether or not he can bypass her resistance
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Range is how far away the mind hax reaches. All Jedi and Sith can mindhax from across the galaxy but that doesn't mean they can control the whole thing.
 
The problem is when we have to take into consideration of what those numbers are actually vulnerable to. If some people within that range can actually resist the ability somewhat, then admittedly he'd have to bypass a tremendous amount who can resist it, however none of this is even being brought to my attention here. Reimu stands on the moon outright and is completely sane. She literally fought yorihime there for a good chunk of time and still kept her sanity. The people who he actually mind bullied haven't shown this kind of resistance so you're making a hasty generalization and associating a number of people who lacks resistance to a one person who has great resistance
 
Progralic said:
The problem is when we have to take into consideration of what those numbers are actually vulnerable to. If some people within that range can actually resist the ability somewhat, then admittedly he'd have to bypass a tremendous amount who can resist it, however none of this is even being brought to my attention here. Reimu stands on the moon outright and is completely sane. She literally fought yorihime there for a good chunk of time and still kept her sanity. The people who he actually mind bullied haven't shown this kind of resistance so you're making a hasty generalization and associating a number of people who lacks resistance to a one person who has great resistance
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Dude, no.

We judge mindhax by how many it can affect here. That's how the site works. Make a content revision thread if you disagree and quit cluttering this one.
 
"quit cluttering this one"

That's not very nice, thought the point of this site was to debate lol. Where has that been agreed to or shown?
 
Wait a minute, what key are we using for the characters here?

Like, this is so badly formatted and I somehow forgot that

Is either AP stomp to any of the characters depending on the key
 
Progralic said:
"quit cluttering this one"

That's not very nice, thought the point of this site was to debate lol. Where has that been agreed to or shown?
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Freaking everywhere. Look at any Star Wars thread. Literally any of Luke Skywalker's notable victories will do. It's always been how this site works. Your cluttering the thread by having me repeatedly explain a site rule. Ask an admin, any admin, and they'll tell you the same thing.
 
The Wright Way said:
Progralic said:
"quit cluttering this one"

That's not very nice, thought the point of this site was to debate lol. Where has that been agreed to or shown?
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Freaking everywhere. Look at any Star Wars thread. Literally any of Luke Skywalker's notable victories will do. It's always been how this site works. Your cluttering the thread by having me repeatedly explain a site rule. Ask an admin, any admin, and they'll tell you the same thing.
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Then it isnt a "site rule" its just a haphazard logic that a multitude of people have adapted to on this site. If they're telling me the same thing I could care less. You're appealing to popularity here which is obviously fallacious, could you refute what I said?
 
Sidious is superior to something that can actively maintain 100 quadrillion minds in their thrall, and all Jedi/sith can focus their powers. Due to the mindhax being constantly maintained and the ability for docusing, the number indeed does matter and he doesn't need to demonstrate beating out resists. That's how mindhax works. Even if you refuse to accept that (which you'd be disregarded for but eh), siduous has affected people who've resisted that afformentioned 100 quadrillion object, so that doesn't work in your favor either.
 
Sidious feats with Mind hax trump anything Reimu has ever resisted.

Not voting on this but show me her resisting a Mind Hax that drives 100 Quadrillion people mad entirely focused on her single mind.


And unless anyone tells me a moon making people go mad is higher than an entire Galaxy going mad because someone willed so, then yeah, saying her resistance isn't enough is not a rule.

It's plain common sense.
 
Telling you that that is how we consider mindhax on this site is not a fallacy. There have been many, many threads going over this.
 
Voting for Sidious because yes, his mindhax would logically overcome hers unless she has showings of either being A. totally immune to mind fuckery or B. more resistant to mindhax.
 
Wokistan said:
Sidious is superior to something that can actively maintain 100 quadrillion minds in their thrall, and all Jedi/sith can focus their powers. Due to the mindhax being constantly maintained and the ability for docusing, the number indeed does matter and he doesn't need to demonstrate beating out resists. That's how mindhax works. Even if you refuse to accept that (which you'd be disregarded for but eh), siduous has affected people who've resisted that afformentioned 100 quadrillion object, so that doesn't work in your favor either.
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Right and I'm asking for scans on the him affecting people who resisted. I dont need to cover this ad nauseam again, just show this scan and I'll concede
 
Have some patience. People don't just have repositories of scans for random fictions on hand all the time, and a bunch of people are on mobile. Not sure why you even want it, since the quantiry's the important part.
 
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