Dark Vs Fire

[Epsilon_R]

Nope it's not Blackbeard Vs Ace, it's Yami Vs Mereoleona

Notable Techniques:

Yami can cut through spatial magic and ignore durability with Dimension Slash and absorb attacks with black hole. He also has ki

Mereoleona can burn any type of magic with her fire fist and use Mana Zone

Yami Sukehiro: 5

Mereoleona Vermillio:

 

[SpookyShadow]

Yami has definitely better feats so far because he was holding his own against all member of Third Eye (three Low 7-B's) at once while injured and tired, Mereo absolutely destroyed probably the strongest member of Third Eye with no effort, but Yami also fought Licht who's >>>>>>> Third Eye (he was just humble to say that they're better fighters than himself).

I'm pretty sure Yami can use Mana Zone too, but he isn't type of guy to use it in a fight.

Yami can read someone's Ki to predict their next attack so that's nice advantage of his, and he has a one-shot technique that should work on basically anyone. He's pretty clever so maybe he'll outsmart Mereo and make her hold some Dark Slashes, reminding Yami's are leagues above Raia's.

Voting for Yami.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I think that they have the same AP. Even if we consider Licht stronger than the 3rd Eye, She hold her own against Elf Raia who's far stronger than before and was also able to fight him while he was with Elf Rill and 3 other elves.

As for Mana Zone, even if he should have it, it's better to not put it since he never shown it.

 

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[Spinoirr]

Yami fra

 

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[BlackAstaSenpai]

Yami has definitely better feats so far because he was holding his own against all member of Third Eye (three Low 7-B's) at once while injured and tired, Mereo absolutely destroyed probably the strongest member of Third Eye with no effort, but Yami also fought Licht who's >>>>>>> Third Eye (he was just humble to say that they're better fighters than himself).
I'm pretty sure Yami can use Mana Zone too, but he isn't type of guy to use it in a fight.

Yami can read someone's Ki to predict their next attack so that's nice advantage of his, and he has a one-shot technique that should work on basically anyone. He's pretty clever so maybe he'll outsmart Mereo and make her hold some Dark Slashes, reminding Yami's are leagues above Raia's.

Voting for Yami.

No Licht (Patry) is NOT stronger than the Third Eye. He was only able to hold off of the three of them due to a limit break (He has a 5/5 in limit breaking in the guide book). Patry says the third eye are stronger than him and would defeat him in combat. Gauche confirms this by saying they are on a whole other league than Patry. The narrator even says they are far stronger than Patry. Also, the guidebook further confirms this. In the seabed temple arc a suppressed Vetto has more mana than Yami. Then it takes a combo of Asta + Finral + Vanessa to take him down. Asta at this point is way stronger than he was in the cave arc + has gotten better with ki. Yet still has trouble reading the ki of Vetto. A lot more damning information is that Elf Rhya needed the help of Elf Rill, and three elven Royal Knights to take down Mereoleona. Meanwhile Elf Vetto (Who also had a nerf because he didn't keep all of his physical strength) was a near equal to Mereoleona and she was far more impressed with him than Rhya. Rhya whose light attacks were equal to Elf Patry when they went against Yuno in the shadow palace.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Who are you voting?

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Who are you voting?

Yami

 

[Epsilon_R]

3-0

 

[AstralKing7]

This is a good fight. All of the top magic knight captains should be equal in AP from scaling. But yami fought all of his opponents without using mana zone at all. His abilities are a secret


I still believe he will win for sure because he uses Ki to sense attacks that come outa nowhere from Mero and he definitely has the range advantage and can absorb her attacks

He also can make dark shields to encase himself in

If he uses mana zone I definitely believe he will win even if it's not an AP boost for him until it's stated

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

sup im Voting Yami Fra.

 

[Epsilon_R]

5-0

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

This is a good fight. All of the top magic knight captains should be equal in AP from scaling. But yami fought all of his opponents without using mana zone at all. His abilities are a secret

I still believe he will win for sure because he uses Ki to sense attacks that come outa nowhere from Mero and he definitely has the range advantage and can absorb her attacks

He also can make dark shields to encase himself in

If he uses mana zone I definitely believe he will win even if it's not an AP boost for him until it's stated

Mana zone would be an AP boost based on how the power system works. Borrowing mana from nature and combining it with your own. It is basically a mana amp through technique.

 

[AstralKing7]

Having more mana doesn't equal ap

Also until it's shown that it's a true amp it shouldn't be used

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Yes it does. For example Ladros abosrbing the spirit. Bell boosting Yuno's attack with her own mana to make them stronger. Baval the dice mage, his roll of a 2 was much stronger than it normally should have been because of the elven mana boost. Fana's third eye boost increased her AP as it made her strong enough that heat waves from the fire alone could knock Asta back. Charmy eating the magic of Lira. Many many more examples of this.

It is a true amp with additional abilities. Official translation explanation: "It is the ability to harness the mana that is floating in the surrounding area and control that territory at will. Within that territory, you can discharge more mana than you personally have from any direction. Your detection abiliites grow astoundingly sharp, and superhuman reactions become easy. By borrowing the power of mana mana, you can move freely, even through outer space." This means you are borrowing natures mana and adding it to your own. Since we know mana boosts basically all stats like AP, Speed, durability, etc. then yes AP is amped with Mana zone. The additional abilities are reactions boosted, basically flying, and attacking from any direction in your zone.

 

[AstralKing7]

Then why is reinforcement magic a thing??? Which is jsut used in the latest chapter

Hell mana zone doesn't increase durability I could have sworn that was mana skin

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Then why is reinforcement magic a thing??? Which is jsut used in the latest chapter
Hell mana zone doesn't increase durability I could have sworn that was mana skin

Reinforcement magic is a thing because it is the first step of the process. Basic Reinforcement magic < Mana Skin < Mana Zone. Mana zone in lore is an advanced version of Mana skin. Technically all fall under the banner of the name "Reinfocement magic".

 

[AstralKing7]

Why would Noelle use that instead of mana zone???

 

[Epsilon_R]

Does Noelle even know Mana Zone?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Reinforcement Magic ÒÇîÕ╝ÀÕîûÚ¡öµ│ò Kyōka MahōÒÇìThis form of magic allows the users to increase their physical abilities, like strength and speed, and to enhance allies' abilities.

Mana Ski ÒÇîÒâ×ÒâèÒé╣Òé¡Òâ│ ManasukinÒÇì is a basic Reinforcement Magic spell.

Mana Zone ÒÇîÒâ×ÒâèÒé¥Òâ╝Òâ│ ManazōnÒÇì is an advanced ability to control mana. Offensively, the mana can be funneled into spells to increase their size, number, and range. It can also be used to launch attacks in any direction and from any direction within the zone. Defensively, the mana can be used to sharpen mana-detection and heighten reaction time, as well as to augment Mana Skin and other Reinforcement Magic spells, allowing for the prediction of enemies' attacks and for moving in mid-air.

To shorten:

Reinforcement Magic increases physical abilities (speed, strength, dura..)

Mana Skin is a defensive reinforcement magic (it enhances the body's resistance)

Mana Zone, when used defensively, is an enhanced version of Mana Skin/Reinforcement Magic

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Does Noelle even know Mana Zone?

??

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Does Noelle even know Mana Zone?

Nothing shows she does know mana zone.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I was talking to Astral

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Reinforcement Magic ÒÇîÕ╝ÀÕîûÚ¡öµ│ò Kyōka MahōÒÇìThis form of magic allows the users to increase their physical abilities, like strength and speed, and to enhance allies' abilities.
Mana Ski ÒÇîÒâ×ÒâèÒé╣Òé¡Òâ│ ManasukinÒÇì is a basic Reinforcement Magic spell.

Mana Zone ÒÇîÒâ×ÒâèÒé¥Òâ╝Òâ│ ManazōnÒÇì is an advanced ability to control mana. Offensively, the mana can be funneled into spells to increase their size, number, and range. It can also be used to launch attacks in any direction and from any direction within the zone. Defensively, the mana can be used to sharpen mana-detection and heighten reaction time, as well as to augment Mana Skin and other Reinforcement Magic spells, allowing for the prediction of enemies' attacks and for moving in mid-air.

To shorten:

Reinforcement Magic increases physical abilities (speed, strength, dura..)

Mana Skin is a defensive reinforcement magic (it enhances the body's resistance)

Mana Zone, when used defensively, is an enhanced version of Mana Skin/Reinforcement Magic

I would actually argue that Mana Skin doesn't just improve the body's resistance, but would also increase speed and AP. Leopold says that all magic users use reinforcement magic to bolster their physical abilities, and says Mana Skin is the perfect version of Reinforcement magic (He likely didn't know about mana zone). It also basically boosts your control of mana, if you increase your control of mana you also increase it's power.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Let's get back to Yami's killing spree

 

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