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Dark Souls - Cleanups and Possible Issues

Sir_Ovens said:
What do we have so far?
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Im working on some lifting strngth calcs while bambu is going through some of the AP calcs for early game

ATM we're trying to figure out if the chosen undead should have two keys, one for beginning of game (9-A scaling to the demons and hellkite drake) and one for early game (scaling to the gaping dragon) or if it should be lumped into one key, and whether the Iron Golem should be 7-C or Low 6-B
 
Yeah I think a BoG key would be good as an indicator of strength before fighting any boss that isn't Asylum Demon.

I'm also fine with making Pinwheel Unknown.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Yeah I think a BoG key would be good as an indicator of strength before fighting any boss that isn't Asylum Demon.

I'm also fine with making Pinwheel Unknown.
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Ye, basically it would be 9-A scaling to all the demons in undead burg and the asylum as well as the hellkite drake, and then 8-C would apply to the gaping dragon, bell gargoyles, moonlight butterfly, etc.

Thoughts on the iron golem scaling?
 
Doesn't Iron Golem have the soul of something Low 6-B? I forget but if it's a giant, it would be consistent with Dark Souls 2 giants being 9-A to 8-C.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Doesn't Iron Golem have the soul of something Low 6-B? I forget but if it's a giant, it would be consistent with Dark Souls 2 giants being 9-A to 8-C.
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The iron golem's core is a dragon bone infused with unknown souls.

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Core of an Iron Golem

The Core of an Iron Golem is a consumable item in Dark Souls. The Core of an Iron Golem is dropped upon defeating the Iron Golem. The Core of an Iron Golem can be used to ascend a gauntlet type weapon +10 into the Dragon Bone Fist, or an axe or greataxe +10 into the Golem Axe. The Core of an...
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Dragon Bone Fist

The Dragon Bone Fist is a gauntlet in Dark Souls. The Dragon Bone Fist can be forged by the Giant Blacksmith with the Core of an Iron Golem and a +10 Caestus or Claw. The Dragon Bone Fist has higher scaling than the other gauntlet weapons; unfortunately, the damage output is still rather low. As...
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Should the Bell Gargoyles and the Belfry Gargoyles share a profile since they're effectively the exact same creatures just in different locations?
 
Well that partially fixes the early game Bearer of the Curse then lol

Also, do we consider Patches to be the same character in all three dark souls games?
 
Also apparently there is a calc somewhere for the force of the ceaseless discharge's leaping punch? Anyone know where that is?
 
For Dark Souls? Yeah, Patches is most likely the same guy in each. Does not extend to Bloodborne/Elden Ring.
 
eh maybe.

Dude goes hollow at least once, like confirmed, and most likely loses his souls too. There's a good chance he has a fluctuating power level across the series. Still, maybe.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
eh maybe.

Dude goes hollow at least once, like confirmed, and most likely loses his souls too. There's a good chance he has a fluctuating power level across the series. Still, maybe.
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Isnt that at the very end tho? When he becomes Lapp?
 
Yes, but I was moreso pointing out that the singular event could imply he went hollow previously, we have no idea what happened to Patches for massive stretches of time. Given that he came back from going hollow once, he could do it again.
 
Patches should not be used for scaling. He is canonically a coward and it's not once implied that he has any actual combat prowess besides Laap, who could have been amnesiac for god knows how long before we met him.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Patches should not be used for scaling. He is canonically a coward and it's not once implied that he has any actual combat prowess besides Laap, who could have been amnesiac for god knows how long before we met him.
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I mean he did help the Ashen One throw hands with the Spear of the Church so he at least has scaling to a boss fight.

Edit: I just remembered that Lapp helps you fight the Demon Prince alonsgide Gael, nevermind he's built different.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I mean he did help the Ashen One throw hands with the Spear of the Church so he at least has scaling to a boss fight.
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He can also be summoned for The Last Giant as well as fighting and killing Creighton who in turn can fight the Skeleton Lords

Also he can fight the Demon Prince
 
Aight, the 9-A stuff is good to go, just need the ok on the 8-C feat and the liftig strength feats
 
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Dark Souls Feats

Ah, this Well, wouldn't say pocket dimension is the right term for this There are clearly multiple other worlds. Hell, Solaire even ends up linking the fire in his own timeline. Each world has an altered form of history play out in some manner (as not every choice you make in your world...
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Chaostheory did a calc that puts Gael at Mach 31
 
I'm still not 100% comfortable with the scaling since it doesn't account for DS2 and DS3. But I suppose it's fine? For now at least.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
I'm still not 100% comfortable with the scaling since it doesn't account for DS2 and DS3. But I suppose it's fine? For now at least.
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Dont worry, I've taken those into account and they're going to get their own crts
 
I found the Ceaseless Discharge's approximate weight is some one wants to try to calc its leaping punch attack, I dont know how to calc that

Other than that just need the 8-C stuff approved and we're good to move onto the next thread
 
I'd imagine only bosses after Soul of Cinder.
 
It wouldnt scale to anyone else? Is Gael really above people like the lords of cinder and the bearers of the lord souls?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It wouldnt scale to anyone else? Is Gael really above people like the lords of cinder and the bearers of the lord souls?
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Gael is literally powered by a version of the Dark Soul that has only gotten stronger over the countless millenia since it first appeared. It's the most powerful Lord Soul period. The only two things that are 100% more powerful than Gael with the Dark Soul is the First Flame and Lord of Hollows Ashen One.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It wouldnt scale to anyone else? Is Gael really above people like the lords of cinder and the bearers of the lord souls?
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I'm not too sure of the context right now, but I'd assume he'd scale to other people with lord souls since he basically has the entire dark soul, outside of the piece we have (although that is my story interpretation).

You could also kinda scale him based on the number of souls you get, but the last thing I think I want to get into is if souls are an in-world concept or if they are a game mechanic
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Gael is literally powered by a version of the Dark Soul that has only gotten stronger over the countless millenia since it first appeared. It's the most powerful Lord Soul period. The only two things that are 100% more powerful than Gael with the Dark Soul is the First Flame and Lord of Hollows Ashen One.
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Why specifically the lord of Hollows ashen one? I'm just not aware of any specific scaling they have.

Also, you could probably lump some other large concepts in there like the Abyss or the Deep.
 
Chritin said:
Why specifically the lord of Hollows ashen one? I'm just not aware of any specific scaling they have.

Also, you could probably lump some other large concepts in there like the Abyss or the Deep.
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Lord of Hollows Ashen One literally absorbed the First Flame into themselves.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Gael is literally powered by a version of the Dark Soul that has only gotten stronger over the countless millenia since it first appeared. It's the most powerful Lord Soul period. The only two things that are 100% more powerful than Gael with the Dark Soul is the First Flame and Lord of Hollows Ashen One.
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Ah i see, makes sense i suppose
 
Okay, ive put i a request for the LS for the ceaseless discharge and gaping dragon but that part can be handled later

Any input on the 8-C stuff?
 
Chritin said:
Oh cool. I've never played that ending cause I was never smart enough to do it lol.
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Speaking of that isn't there a legitimate argument for low 2-C Dark Souls owing to the fact that Lords of cinder use there own power to fuel the First Flame and keep universes and timelines from colliding? At the very least Lord of Hollows Ashen one should be since he literally absorbed it.
 
Oh, shit, I stopped getting updates from this thread, hah.

Low 2-C is being brought up again
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Ovens' corruption spreads, agony. All I'm gonna say is, Low 2-C requires us to take time manip to be Tier 2. Space and time aren't ostensibly destroyed by the flame's creation or dying.

8-C stuff is fine, aye.
 
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