Dante Vs. Copen

[Bobsican]

I´m glad this hasn´t been done before.

Both at 8-A, speed equalized.

The Adept Killer

The Demon Killer


You´re as annoying as an adept!


Bring it!

 

[Maxnumb231]

Comparing their profiles, dante has conceptual manipulation type 3

 

[Bobsican]

It doesn´t appear to be somethign usable to directly stomp respectively, however.

 

[Maxnumb231]

It doesn´t appear to be somethign usable to directly stomp respectively, however.

But it is usable? If its not it wouldnt be in his profile.

 

[Bobsican]

I really don´t know, but the profile doesn´t explain either, so it probably would be best for someone knowledgeable to come here soon.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Its not combat applicable.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yeah, I don't think it is combat applicable

 

[Bobsican]

Anyone feels like.... voting?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Maybe later, I'm in a ****** up situation right now.

 

[Bobsican]

Take your time.

 

[Maxnumb231]

I don't see how conceptual manipulation isnt combat applicable when its consistently brought up in a vs thread.

 

[Schnee_One]

Because there are different forms of conceptual manipulation, some useable and others not.

 

[The_Smashor]

Yeah. Even if it was applicable, he likely dosn't use it IC since he only has it from a statement. What's Dante's counter to below AZ ice swords?

Also, how does Dante's NPI work? This is a Gunvolt thread. Non-Physical Interaction is important.

 

[Schnee_One]

He can hit intangibles and non corporals

 

[The_Smashor]

Can he hit electrons specifically?

 

[Schnee_One]

That's logia intangibility

Meaning no, he can't affect it

 

[Dienomite22]

@The Smashor

Teleportion,Quicksilver or Royal Guard

He can hit ghost, spirits, physically intangible beings, elementally intangible beings and non-corporeals. I think I'm missing something else but that's all I know for now.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Can he hit electrons specifically?

What? Electrons aren't intangible, they are just very, very, very small.

 

[Bobsican]

It´s like a gas, but of even smaller particles, hence the intangibility, it simply isn´t dense enought to be conventionally interacted with.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's like elemental intangibility then or small size, still doesn't matter.

I don't know the guy but if someone could tell me what he does in character, what he leads with and his mindset while fighting then I could vote.

 

[Dienomite22]

If Dante can kill the Fallen and Dullahan which has no physical presence whatsoever I believe Dante automatically should be able to damage him but yes Dante can damage enemies with logia type intangibilty such as Blood goyals which are made out of blood and Doppelganger which is made out of literal shadow.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's why I said it didn't matter.

Anyway, looking at the AP of both they should be baseline 8-A but why Dante has an 8-A key? The calc says 48 Tons of TNT but that isn't enough to gran another key (I know the scaling chain but it doesn't mean he should have another key).

 

[Dienomite22]

Wasn't directed at you, it was to Bobsican and The Smashor

I don't know, possibly because of how causually Dante beat Cerberus?Probably should ask Reb

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I get it now, I remember how things happened :v

Dante BoG toys with Cerberus, goes up the tower, gets wrecked by Vergil, Awakens DT, goes back down the tower, fights Beowoulf to a sorta standstill (They stalemated), then Vergil curb-stomps Beo, Dante gets time powah, then Dante stalemates Vergil, then a lot of missions happen then Dante defeats Vergil without much effort.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I think "without much effort" is a stretch tbh.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Virgil was on his knee gasping for air while Dante was cool and all waiting for Vergil to get up just to get cut in half.

That's a fight that didn't take much effort on his part, look at the dialogue.

 

[The_Smashor]

In character Copen uses his gun and dashes into his opponents to tag them for homing shots. He also commonly uses several special weapons (AZ Ice swords, Hair drills, giant crystals, binding band things, shooting high-pressure water, an energy grid thing, blood projectiles that heal him if they hit) that also are homing when he tags someone. When he's Anthemed like this, Copen also uses Power Grab/Greed Snatcher (Powernull of psychic powers) and other abilities from his Gunvolt 1 fight (Laser and Drill, Fire bomb thing, swarm of angry energy flies, Petrification if your facing him and a massive laser carried by wormholes and copies that can also do damage). He also has his AI drone Lola slash the entire screen with orb things for massive damage.

Long story short, he generally spams Powernull shots. Otherwise he uses everything in his arsenal.

 

[Dienomite22]

Dante can easily deal with the homing attacks by not letting Copen tag him which he can prevent with various methods and if Copen were to tag him then it wouldn't be anything new to Dante since he is largly familiar with homing attacks because he faced a large amount of enemies with it.The AZ weapons are problem if they land.The powernull is possibly a problem, Dante's abilities aren't psychic or anything like that and are apart of his physiology and he's used to having is power drained and sap but I more infor on what Copen's powernull works on.Dante can deal with everything like Laser and Drill,Fire Bomb, swarm of flies, is already resistant to the same type of petricfication, wormhole laser doesn't seem like a problem Dante is used to attacks from multiple enemies with lasers, teleportion and Danmaku. Lola is possibly a problem.

 

[The_Smashor]

Copen's homing attacks has impossible to dodge by characters with his level of speed.

If Dante's powers arn't psychic then I think that Copen's Powernull won't work.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

bump

 

[Maxnumb231]

Because there are different forms of conceptual manipulation, some useable and others not.

Been away for awhile, but for dantes case it would useable, i dont see any reason to justify isnt given by the fact has shown to do so, not through some ritual, but mere ability of his own

 

[The_Smashor]

I think he only has it via statements, so he dosn't use it IC.

 

[Ogbunabali]

It isn't really combat applicable since it's probably specifically used for demons and he has never used it. Even when he was given the opportunity to use it, he refused.

 

[The_Smashor]

And while Copen is a Powerphobic arse that wants to commit genocide on all Adepts, he's not a demon.

 

[Dienomite22]

Copen's homing attacks has impossible to dodge by characters with his level of speed.

But he has to dash into his opponents in order to tag them right?

 

[Bobsican]

Copen's homing attacks has impossible to dodge by characters with his level of speed.

But he has to dash into his opponents in order to tag them right?

Yes, he can also do it with a Bullit Dash (Flying to the target via rocket shoes), by the way.

 

[Dienomite22]

@Bobsican

What is Bullit Dash and what does it look like?

 

[Bobsican]

@Bobsican
What is Bullit Dash and what does it look like?

This

In actio

 

[Dienomite22]

Oh ok, I was aware of that when I said Dante can deal with it.That shouldn't be a problem for this Dante since he's more relies more on dodging/being agile and less on tanking plus quicksilver is still a thing so I doubt it would be a problem for Dante to dodge Copen's dashes.

 

[Bobsican]

There´s also Copen´s electricity, which has a quite wide range.