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Cyborg vs Android - 2B vs Raiden

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Hopefully this concludes.

2B vs Raiden

High 7-C versions. Speed equalized. Win via SBA.

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I think 2B looks like she is having a better chance here.Definitely more haxed,type 8,and even a little more versatile than Raiden.

She also has a massive AP gap against him too. 715 tons < 175 tons
 
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Time Slow is incredibly short and it's limited. Ripper Mode obliterates that. And flight? She doesn't have flight by herself, it's only in her mecha. Jack has much greater agility and mobility advantage when it comes down to this.

It's not related to her Type 8. It's a probability thing.
 
Time Slow is incredibly short and it's limited. Ripper Mode obliterates that. And flight? She doesn't have flight by herself, it's only in her mecha. Jack has much greater agility and mobility advantage when it comes down to this.

It's not related to her Type 8. It's a probability thing.
So what can she do lmao
 
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Time slow lasts for 3-4 seconds at most IIRC, and she needs to evade an enemy attack perfectly to perform it. And it's really hard to perfectly dodge a sword that sharp shockwaves with each swing.
 
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I think 2B looks like she is having a better chance here.Definitely more haxed,type 8,and even a little more versatile than Raiden.

She also has a massive AP gap against him too. 715 tons < 175 tons
tbf, Raiden no-sells 121kts and so does Armstrong without even needing nanomachines , which greatly boost his dura, but yeah, she has a hefty AP lead regardless. Nothing Raiden's frankly stupid RPL can't cover tho
 
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Yeah they all really end the same way, speed boost + speed boost + dura neg GG

That said

Raiden speed boost + speed boost + dura neg GG, voting for him
 

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H2H matches would be a lot more fun, but yeah, Raiden FRA
I feel like the broken part of Raiden's kit is the speed boosting, not the dura negation.

Though it's worth mentioning, we're all voting like this but Raiden probably doesn't start with Ripper Mode.
 

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True, though if gameplay counts for anything he might prefer using it as a finisher of sorts
 
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Not like it really matters though considering if he even hits her once he cleaves right through her and I doubt she wouldn't attempt to block once.
 

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Yeah, definitely. I see hacking on her profile, maybe that could do something?
 
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Yeah, definitely. I see hacking on her profile, maybe that could do something?
Raiden's brain is human, you can't hack that
Though it's worth mentioning, we're all voting like this but Raiden probably doesn't start with Ripper Mode.
If it's not his literal first move, he uses it soon after the start of the fight
True, though if gameplay counts for anything he might prefer using it as a finisher of sorts
The only reason it's used as a finisher is that if it wasn't that way the fights would last 10 seconds canonically speaking, if anything it being the way every boss is killed is proof that Raiden uses it often
 
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I feel like the broken part of Raiden's kit is the speed boosting, not the dura negation.
yeah, but the HF blade would make it almost impossible to fight him even if he didn't have BM. You can't even attack him since even a parry would kill you.
But even then, we remove BM and the HF blade, he still has RPL, which turns every CQC encounter into a ticking time bomb
 

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Raiden's brain is human, you can't hack that
I mean, you could still turn off everything else, if Dok can control functions of his body remotely so can someone hacking it.
If it's not his literal first move, he uses it soon after the start of the fight

The only reason it's used as a finisher is that if it wasn't that way the fights would last 10 seconds canonically speaking, if anything it being the way every boss is killed is proof that Raiden uses it often
Fair enough
 

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Eh, that's all we see. Logically, hacking something should allow you to fully shut it down. After all, it's gotta be a computer that translates Raiden's brain signals into body movements
 

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I suppose however the hacking works, it probably isn't as fast as chopping up 2B.
 
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Eh, that's all we see. Logically, hacking something should allow you to fully shut it down. After all, it's gotta be a computer that translates Raiden's brain signals into body movements
I mean... not necessarily, cyborgs still have organs, just not organic ones, they are shown to have spines, it would follow that they'd function like humans in terms of brain to body comunication
 

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I mean... not necessarily, cyborgs still have organs, just not organic ones, they are shown to have spines, it would follow that they'd function like humans in terms of brain to body comunication
... Through means of a computer. Our nervous system basically is a computer that does what I've described. Hell, even IRL, prosthetic arms with more advanced functions (that are still far simpler than whate even gray fox had) have a computer inside.
 
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it's a huge stretch to call that a "computer", it's not what we commonly refer to as a "computer", even then, i don't recall 2B ever hacking something on that level, and even if she could, she doesn't use it before Raiden kills her
 

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It's literally a computer by any sense of the word, you can't even argue semantics because a computer is "an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program."

It takes data from the brain, it processes and elaborates it, and then executes it.

I'm not saying 2B wins this, but you have absolutely no ground to assume this works differently.
 
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What are you saying is a computer? Because that's what I'm not getting, you mean the brain or the spine?
 
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btw, I don't even recall 2B having combat applicable hacking AT ALL, that was 9B but whatever, I might be forgetting something since I absolutely despise that fucking game and dropped it after 10 hours
 

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Not the brain, that's still Raiden's organic brain I think, but whatever turns those brain's inputs into actions has to be a computer, by definition.
 

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btw, I don't even recall 2B having combat applicable hacking AT ALL, that was 9B but whatever, I might be forgetting something since I absolutely despise that fucking game and dropped it after 10 hours
I dunno about that, I'm simply arguing that Raiden can be hacked.
 
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Not the brain, that's still Raiden's organic brain I think, but whatever turns those brain's inputs into actions has to be a computer, by definition.
And what makes you think it's even hackable?

BTW, a 10 sec google research and the first result is an article that says "While 2B can't actually hack anything, 9S is an expert". That ability shouldn't even be there to begin with, it's moot to even talk about it
 
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Wait, when did 2B hack anything? It's 9S who hacks everything in his second route, that's why hacking minigame exists in the first place
 

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And what makes you think it's even hackable?
The fact that, by default, if it's a computer it can be hacked
BTW, a 10 sec google research and the first result is an article that says "While 2B can't actually hack anything, 9S is an expert". That ability shouldn't even be there to begin with, it's moot to even talk about it
Hey I dunno I haven't played Automata yet
 
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The fact that, by default, if it's a computer it can be hacked
so ANY computer can be hacked, even when they have no contact with the external world and are a "computer" just by technicality? BY DEFINITION a computer can be hacked? That's NLF if I've ever seen one

And it's moot, 2B cannot hack
 
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Scratch all of that, Dok states that a cyborg's body reads the signals directly from the brain, there's no intermediary organ or anything of the sort, nothing to hack
 
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Doktor: Well, it is not my area of expertise, but I have working knowledge of such matters, yes. Much of it is similar to cybernetics, you know.

Raiden: Makes sense. A cyborg's frame is reading signals directly from the brain.

Doktor: Indeed.
 

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so ANY computer can be hacked, even when they have no contact with the external world and are a "computer" just by technicality? BY DEFINITION a computer can be hacked? That's NLF if I've ever seen one
Of course you'd need access to them, but when you're there you can absolutely hack them and most hacking in fiction kinda creates its own way to access shit.
Scratch all of that, Dok states that a cyborg's body reads the signals directly from the brain, there's no intermediary organ or anything of the sort, nothing to hack
I don't think that quote necessarily eliminates the existance of a computer but fair enough
And it's moot, 2B cannot hack
I mean yeah, I'm not arguing she wins
 
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Jack actually did once switch positions with a little robot in MGRR, but I think that was just at his own will. Anyways 2B is not a hacker, so the debate doesn't mean much anymore
 
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Jack actually did once switch positions with a little robot in MGRR, but I think that was just at his own will. Anyways 2B is not a hacker, so the debate doesn't mean much anymore
that was via DOOMP, Digital-optical output mounted proxy, it was striclty optical in nature
 
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I have a 2080 and still can barely run that shit, not just that, it's also riddled with glitches and the antialiasing basically doesn't work
 
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I have a 1050 and can easily run it (without mods) lol. Just install FAR Mod.
Anyways, soon grace will be over
 
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I barely install mods for games i like, let alone for games whose gameplay I despise, i shouldn't have to go out of my way to install mods for a game to work on my almost top tier (at the time, at least) pc, and even then, it was full of visual bugs.

This is all beside the point, tho, which is, Raiden FRA
 
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