Cyberpunk 2077 vs The Witcher (1-1-0)

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

V (Cyberpunk 2077) VS. Geralt of Rivia (The Witcher)

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Two beloved franchises that have risen in fame through the wonderful games made by CDPR now have to compete to show which protagonist is the real top dog of the company.

A fight involving a cyborg and a mutant, the punk future and the fantasy past, the two outcasts of their societies who have made a name for themselves as living legends.

Lets see which of them will come out of this bar fight, alive, in the night city.

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Fight Rules:

• Fight takes place in the Night City, the Afterlife Bar.
• Act III for V and he gets the standard weapons and cyberware
• Blood and Wine for Geralt and he gets his standard witcher equipment
• Both are High 8-C with their keys
• Speed is equalized

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The Night City Legend: 1 (LegendariumOfLies)
The Butcher of Blaviken: 1 (CapWhiteRose)
A round of Gwent?: 0

Battle Theme:

 

[TheAngryOrange]

What is Geralt's solution to the sandevistan? In game high end sandy's have speed boosts of 10x. And the profile has an even larger speed boost.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

What is Geralt's solution to the sandevistan? In game high end sandy's have speed boosts of 10x. And the profile has an even larger speed boost.

What he usually uses against faster opponents which is Yrden and the Blizzard Potion.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

V gets AP/Dura (7 tons >=6.8 Ton), LS (Class M Vs Class 50), Speed (While both are MHS+, V has calcs instead of statements), Range (Hundreds Of Meter)
Geralt gets Intelligence (Gifted vs Above Average).
It should also be clear the modern weapons far outscale crossbows and Medieval bombs. So, V should have a pretty clear win.
HOWEVER, Geralt has his signs so lets see how V reacts to that (although given the speed diff V could just blitz him)

• Aard - a telekinetic thrust can stun, repel, knockdown, or disarm opponents and remove barriers and other objects and can freeze his enemies.
• Igni - a pyrokinetic burst/ steady flow that can repel and ignite opponents Hot enough to melt thick steel armors.
• Yrden - Slowed down/paralyzed, and non-corporeal forces become corporeal. Can poison and drain the vitality of the foes within the ring. An alternative mode shoots lightning bolts that damage and stun enemies at a long range and can even nullify projectiles.
• Quen - A protective forcefield but disappears after one hit/few hits when upgraded enough. Can also be used to create a bubble-shaped field that absorbs damage and converts it into regeneration (and can also reflect 50% of physical damage back at the enemy).
• Axii - A hex that causes an enemy to obey witchers' commands. Effect can wear off over time or be broken via damage from the casting witcher. Can also be used to disable opponents temporarily. Geralt uses it rarely.
• Heliotrope - The ultimate magical sign. Forms a protective aura-like forcefield that slows down everything within its range.
• Somne - Can put targets to sleep and possibly erase memories of that happening.
• Supirre - Used by Witchers to hear sounds or conversations that would otherwise be inaudible or undetectable

Some issues though:

1. Range - According to Geralt's own profile, this only has tens of meters of range while V has hundreds of meters through his kit. What is to stop V from just creating distancing and barraging Geralt with bombs and bullets.
2. Power - How powerful are these spells?
3. Johnny Silverhand - He is going to affect Axii and Somne definitley as he can just takeover if V is out of action.

With all that, I am going to say Yrden and Heliotrope are the ones that are going to be the most effective due to their slow down time shenenigans which is something that V has no resistance to (you can argue the existance thermal weapons will allow him to tank Igni and Aard and the fact normal humans have survived them). Quen is a bit more up there. The whole healing Geralt + attack reflection is a deadly combo, but V has several ways to heal and, more importantly, overpower Quen. If it is a Battle of attrition I think V comes out on top.

TL;DR: V takes this Mid-High diff. Geralts signs are his clearest win-cons, and you can argue that V outspeed+outranges them. Voting V.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

What he usually uses against faster opponents which is Yrden and the Blizzard Potion.

But they don't have the massive speed difference like here. With a Sandevistan, that's a 10x speed boost launching him two speed levels above Geralt, faster than anything Geralt has ever dealt with. If we go with the profile calcs then we're looking at a 100x speed boost.

So in order to sell that he can keep up with the sandy then you'd need to find a witcher profile with Sub-Rel+ to Rel+ in terms of their speed.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Also better tech, range, and LS. AP is mostly equal. So V has advantages.
But we are assuming they are in character. Are V and Geralt going to immediately fight? Any chance, Geralt can use Social Influencing+Axii to avoid the fight.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

I assumed they were immediately going to duke it out. Though I have to wonder how effective axii or any of the mind altering spells would be in this fight considering V's brain is filled to the brim with cyberware. Whatever part of the brain axii works on might not even exist in V any more. Even if V does get incapped, Johnny can step in and take control.

And there other advantages though they aren't as overwhelming as the sandy. Like the electrical arm cyberware. If Geralt blocks some electrified mantis blades or mono wire, he still gets zapped. Then you have the arm cannon. Even if Geralt blocks the grenade he can't block the explosion.

But this isn't an end all be all. His quen would stop eletricity and blade equally. Same with explosions assuming he opts to block and not just dodge.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

V gets AP/Dura (7 tons >=6.8 Ton), LS (Class M Vs Class 50), Speed (While both are MHS+, V has calcs instead of statements), Range (Hundreds Of Meter)
Geralt gets Intelligence (Gifted vs Above Average).

Geralt has fought opponents who are more powerful and faster, Geralt has also fought opponent in the similar strength class like Kayran and Saskia.

Geralts greatest advantage here is his experience and skill. He's one of the most battle-hardened individuals in his world, and unquestionably the best swordsman of his world. He can adapt to the combat in question very quickly by analyzing the opponent and what his capabilities are. He has nearly a century of experience fighting a myriad of opponents.

It should also be clear the modern weapons far outscale crossbows and Medieval bombs. So, V should have a pretty clear win.

These aren't your typical firecrackers in medieval fantasy, these are alchemical bombs and they can be amplified to be this powerful.

Some issues though:

1. Range - According to Geralt's own profile, this only has tens of meters of range while V has hundreds of meters through his kit. What is to stop V from just creating distancing and barraging Geralt with bombs and bullets.

Quen is literally designed to counteract long ranged projectiles and spells. Its dome version is literally nigh-unbreakable and lorewise requires a proficient and powerful mage to crack it (or the witcher needs to be incredibly wounded).

1. Power - How powerful are these spells?

Aard is capable of pushing and knocking away massive creatures, which includes Saskia and it can also freeze people in an instant. It can also be fired in a omnidirectional way.

Igni can be pretty lethal as it is very hard to put as it is essentially magical fire. It can burn even things that are resistant to it like metal and higher vampires.

Quen can redirect attacks at the opponent in both modes but in the first mode it can be broken while the second one it is nigh unbreakable.

A upgraded Yrden can straight up just trap opponents in its field and make them be unable to move although it mostly just slows them to a crawl.

Axii is a last resort and it is very effective spell. It goes to the extent it can command its opponents just to off themselves (although that's out of character for Geralt)

1. Johnny Silverhand - He is going to affect Axii and Somne definitley as he can just takeover if V is out of action.

Axii can be recasted to affect up to 5-7 individuals at once. So no, this isn't an argument

With all that, I am going to say Yrden and Heliotrope are the ones that are going to be the most effective due to their slow down time shenenigans which is something that V has no resistance to (you can argue the existance thermal weapons will allow him to tank Igni and Aard and the fact normal humans have survived them). Quen is a bit more up there. The whole healing Geralt + attack reflection is a deadly combo, but V has several ways to heal and, more importantly, overpower Quen. If it is a Battle of attrition I think V comes out on top.

This isn't something that is brought up a lot but signs can be adjusted on how potent they can be. Geralt can light a candle with igni but also extended it tens of meters like a stream of fire so strong it knocks a griffin out of the sky or literally melt through armor. Same with Aard, it can simply extinguish a candle or push a several ton boulder out of the way or send humans flying several meters in the air.

TL;DR: V takes this Mid-High diff. Geralts signs are his clearest win-cons, and you can argue that V outspeed+outranges them. Voting V.

Okay, counted.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

But they don't have the massive speed difference like here. With a Sandevistan, that's a 10x speed boost launching him two speed levels above Geralt, faster than anything Geralt has ever dealt with. If we go with the profile calcs then we're looking at a 100x speed boost.

So in order to sell that he can keep up with the sandy then you'd need to find a witcher profile with Sub-Rel+ to Rel+ in terms of their speed.

Where the hell did these figures come from? I didn't find anything even remotely on the 100x speed boost or relativistic speeds.

Despite that, we have one figure who can reach these speeds and that is the Unseen Elder. Neither Regis nor Geralt could even perceive his movements, Geralt not even being able to process he's there. But yeah, that guy Blitzes Geralt no-diff.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

Where the hell did these figures come from? I didn't find anything even remotely on the 100x speed boost or relativistic speeds.

Despite that, we have one figure who can reach these speeds and that is the Unseen Elder. Neither Regis nor Geralt could even perceive his movements, Geralt not even being able to process he's there. But yeah, that guy Blitzes Geralt no-diff.

V blocks a tech weapon

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Base V accepted as Mach 25

Cyberpunk Edgerunners: David's final stand

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With a sandy he gets scaled to Smasher who, on sandy, is anywhere from Mach 1000 (40x speed boost) to mach 2800 (112x speed boost)

Even if we just generalize, the highest high hypersonic is mach 50 and the lowest MH+ is mach 1000, a 20x speed boost.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

V blocks a tech weapon

vsbattles.fandom.com

Base V accepted as Mach 25

Cyberpunk Edgerunners: David's final stand

vsbattles.fandom.com

With a sandy he gets scaled to Smasher who, on sandy, is anywhere from Mach 1000 (40x speed boost) to mach 2800 (112x speed boost)

Even if we just generalize, the highest high hypersonic is mach 50 and the lowest MH+ is mach 1000, a 20x speed boost.

Fair enough then, V has a definitive speed advantage in this matchup.

But unlike the scenario with the Unseen Elder where he could just one shot Geralt without any remorse, V and Geralt have a closer power gap which Geralt is capable of utilizing. His key where he becomes High 8-C requires Geralt to down several potions which already give him buffs so his attack potency is in fact above 6.8 tons, as thunderbolt greatly increases his attack potency and Swallow and Tawny Owl allows him to recover and regenerate at a rapid rate.

Blizzard can buff Geralts speed substantially but not enough to really counteract the sandevistan. With that the trump card would be either Yrden or Heliotrope as both slow movements, with the former being a lot more effective as it can stop some enemies at a halt while also draining their vitality.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Quen is literally designed to counteract long ranged projectiles and spells. Its dome version is literally nigh-unbreakable and lorewise requires a proficient and powerful mage to crack it (or the witcher needs to be incredibly wounded).

Quen (even fully powered up)can be broken

Axii can be recasted to affect up to 5-7 individuals at once. So no, this isn't an argument

Johnny isn't a human. He is a mix of a highly advanced technological construct. I don't remember Axii effecting anything like that.

Aard and Igni are powerful, but this is full-power V so he has several ways to self-heal and survive. Yrden wouldn't seperate the two, because Johnny isn't a spirit but a chip. It would slow them down and hurt them, but V would notice him being slower and being hurt and just activate Sandevistan + Self Heal.

Heliotrope is a pretty good win-con for Geralt. Does Geralt use it as an opening move? If so, Heliotrope + Rend + Sunder Armor would be a clear Geralt win?

 

[TheAngryOrange]

It's certainly one win con for geralt.

V pops a sandy first, he blitzes Geralt.
Geralt pops heliotrope first, he blitzes V. Rend not even required.

That said there are a few aspects to consider. Now I can't prove it since there is no calc but it seems that heliotrope doesn't slow as much as the sandy can speed up. Not only that, cyberware is activated by thought while signs require gestures. Meaning there is a possibility that V sees Geralt suddenly speed up and he activates the sandy in response then blitzes.
Maybe.
It'll ultimately depend on whether you think the heliptrope slows enough that Geralt can deliver the kill before V can process anything.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Quen (even fully powered up)can be broken

You're using game the footage of someone with the highest difficulty on and he's not even using the best build for it.

To show an actual canonical case of it, here's quen tanking an incoming meteorite.

Johnny isn't a human. He is a mix of a highly advanced technological construct. I don't remember Axii effecting anything like that.

Elementals? Golems? Spectres? And I might be mistaken but I think there's still some brain left in there.

Aard and Igni are powerful, but this is full-power V so he has several ways to self-heal and survive. Yrden wouldn't seperate the two, because Johnny isn't a spirit but a chip. It would slow them down and hurt them, but V would notice him being slower and being hurt and just activate Sandevistan + Self Heal.

I agree that V possess effective self-healing but I doubt it is as potent as Geralts. Geralt possess Low-Mid regeneration in combat while V only has Mid-Low, and it can be further enhanced with potions like the swallow which can close wounds in middle of combat. So any significant injury V gets, it will be harder for him to heal than Geralt.

Heliotrope is a pretty good win-con for Geralt. Does Geralt use it as an opening move? If so, Heliotrope + Rend + Sunder Armor would be a clear Geralt win?

Heliotrope is rarely used, actually it is called the ultimate sign for a reason. It needs a lot of energy and concentration for it to activate, at least for a sign.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

No, the relic is pure chip. It's instructing nanites to reformat V's brain in preparation for Silverhand but Silverhand is still on the chip.

The question of whether or not axii can affect Silverhand can be simplified to another question. If Geralt casts axii on a USB stick, would anything happen?

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

The question of whether or not axii can affect Silverhand can be simplified to another question. If Geralt casts axii on a USB stick, would anything happen?

It's a psionic sign magic. Exact definitions of what it could effect are kinda weird lets be honest but there clues.

Either the opponent needs to have a brain or just basic sentience, if it is capable of effecting rock sentries then what stops it from affecting a chip.

It's instructing nanites to reformat V's brain

So either way, V has a brain so it is most likely that Axii affects.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

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[CapWhiteRose]

This is a really cool fight, If V starts fighting from a distance Geralt would respond with Quen to keep himself safe from all of the attacks, Geralts lack of range is bothersome.

 

[CapWhiteRose]

After thinking for a bit I feel like Geralt would be completely able to close the gap in range and the sandy doesn't last forever I am gonna have to say Geralt takes this High Diff

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

After thinking for a bit I feel like Geralt would be completely able to close the gap in range and the sandy doesn't last forever I am gonna have to say Geralt takes this High Diff

Well you do bring a very interesting point, what V has is very effective but his arsenal is very limited and can run out of ammo. The sandy also has a cooldown If I am not mistaken and can have a detrimental effect if overused.

 

[CapWhiteRose]

I say Geralt wins FRA he should be able to defend long enough for the Sandy to run out

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Hmm, okay seems reasonable enough.

 

[noninho]

Geralt FRA