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Cw flash big tier upgrade (speed force)

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InfNoyan said:
First of all, greetings to all of you

As you all know, speed force is at the level of h1c in vsbw. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Speed_Force_(CW)
Barry both destroys this speed force and withstands the lightning of the speed force, wally confirms that Barry destroyed the speed force.

Evidence :



Agree (those who agree with H1c): @Zeinx1

Disagree :

Neutral :
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No Barry didn't kill the speed force. The spectra did. Hard disagree
 
karo_senpaii said:
Hayır Barry Hız Gücü'nü öldürmedi. Spektrum bunu yaptı. kesinlikle katılmıyorum
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Barry destroyed the speed force, then he created his own fake speed force, then the crisis moment occurred and he recreated Specter. I prefer you to watch the series properly.
 
InfNoyan said:
First of all, greetings to all of you

As you all know, speed force is at the level of h1c in vsbw. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Speed_Force_(CW)
Barry both destroys this speed force and withstands the lightning of the speed force, wally confirms that Barry destroyed the speed force.

Evidence :



Agree (those who agree with H1c): @Zeinx1

Disagree :

Neutral :
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I forgot to talk about the first scene. The first scen is bloodwork infecting Barry mind. The thing is Barry is an avatar chosen for the forces. His presence makes them stronger and his absence vastly weaker. So as bloodwork was corrupting Barry it was corrupting the speed force. It's not ap related. It's more like he is an anchor.

Besides why would the speed force purposely try to kill its anchor. The lightning is obviously not h1c
 
InfNoyan said:
Barry destroyed the speed force, then he created his own fake speed force, then the crisis moment occurred and he recreated Specter. I prefer you to watch the series properly.
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Don't accuse someone of not watching a show like that.
You're wrong. The specter is just well God's wrath I guess and it has to have a human host as that is the only weakness attached to it. During crisis Oliver became the host. the multiverse was destroyed and Barry lacked energy to run through the speed force. Specter gave him a little energy and it made the speed force die. Fast forward and Barry never created the speed force in any meaningful way to scale ap. A spark of the forces were already contained in iris . They then created it from that using a machine I guess combined with all other forces.
 
karo_senpaii said:
I forgot to talk about the first scene. The first scen is bloodwork infecting Barry mind. The thing is Barry is an avatar chosen for the forces. His presence makes them stronger and his absence vastly weaker. So as bloodwork was corrupting Barry it was corrupting the speed force. It's not ap related. It's more like he is an anchor.

Besides why would the speed force purposely try to kill its anchor. The lightning is obviously not h1c
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It's not about what affects Barry anyway, the issue is that Barry exceeds the durability of Speed Force.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Kimseyi böyle bir programı izlememekle suçlamayın.
Yanılıyorsun. Hayalet, sanırım Tanrı'nın gazabıdır ve ona bağlı tek zayıf nokta olduğundan, bir insan barındırıcıya sahip olması gerekir. Kriz sırasında Oliver ev sahibi oldu. çoklu evren yok edildi ve Barry'nin hız kuvvetinden geçecek enerjisi yoktu. Spectre ona biraz enerji verdi ve bu hız kuvvetinin ölmesine neden oldu. Hızlı ileri sardık ve Barry ap'yi ölçeklendirmek için hiçbir zaman hız kuvvetini anlamlı bir şekilde yaratmadı. Güçlerin bir kıvılcımı iriste zaten mevcuttu. Daha sonra sanırım diğer tüm güçlerle birleştirilmiş bir makine kullanarak bunu yarattılar.
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We don't give it because it creates AP, I give it because it has already exceeded its durability.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Don't accuse someone of not watching a show like that.
You're wrong. The specter is just well God's wrath I guess and it has to have a human host as that is the only weakness attached to it. During crisis Oliver became the host. the multiverse was destroyed and Barry lacked energy to run through the speed force. Specter gave him a little energy and it made the speed force die. Fast forward and Barry never created the speed force in any meaningful way to scale ap. A spark of the forces were already contained in iris . They then created it from that using a machine I guess combined with all other forces.
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This isn't the only place where Speed Force exceeds its durability, I can throw that in as well.
 
In the first video, Barry just throws The Speed Force out of his mind and nothing else.

In the second video, The Speed Force said that Barry didn't kill its, it died because of what Barry did. Also in the rest of the episode, it is understood that it was spectre. Also, The Speed Force isn't really dying, it was just experiencing a critical energy imbalance and by the very nature of his being, it can't die.

InfNoyan said:

start from minute 2
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You are completely missing the context of this video. The Speed Force doesn't attack Barry because it doesn't want to kill him and doesn't even take any damage from Barry's attack. And we've already seen that Barry is completely helpless against The Speed Force.

This thread is complete nonsense and has no valid basis, no screening and should be closed.
 
Isaacbobanka said:
Flash should atleast have 3:a since he was able to create a hole new reality by altering the past
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No, not doing that, we would have to make evey MCU character 2-C because every action they do creates a new timeline. That's just multiverse thing he didn't actually created a timeline with his own power, what you can argue for is a 2-C enviromental destruction with time travel similar to DCEU Barry
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
No, not doing that, we would have to make evey MCU character 2-C because every action they do creates a new timeline. That's just multiverse thing he didn't actually created a timeline with his own power, what you can argue for is a 2-C enviromental destruction with time travel similar to DCEU Barry
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diffrence between mcu and arrowverse is that barry did it with his own power and yes your right he has destruction like dceuu flash since he was able to destroy the entire reverse flash point by running super fast with less than 5% of his speed
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
No, not doing that, we would have to make evey MCU character 2-C because every action they do creates a new timeline. That's just multiverse thing he didn't actually created a timeline with his own power, what you can argue for is a 2-C enviromental destruction with time travel similar to DCEU Barry
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CW Speedsters are already receiving 2-C environmental destruction. Only 1 staff vote needed

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Arrowverse CRT: 2-C Environmental Destruction for Speedsters

This thread is for upgrading speedsters to 2-C with environmental destruction. If a person/object travels/is sent to the past and causes any changes, a phenomenon called "timequakes" occurs. Time quakes are temporal shock waves created by changes to the timeline. They are felt in the temporal...
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Isaacbobanka said:
diffrence between mcu and arrowverse is that barry did it with his own power and yes your right he has destruction like dceuu flash since he was able to destroy the entire reverse flash point by running super fast with less than 5% of his speed
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Barry didn't destroy Flashpoint with his raw power. He used the Time Stone to fix the distortions that created Flashpoint.
 
Isaacbobanka said:
that dosen't make sense because the speed force impiled herself that iris and barry created Strength Force, the Sage Force, and the Still Force and that means that barry should scale to them
https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Speed_Force
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Again, Barry didn't create them. Inside the iris was an energy of The Speed Force that was different from normal speedsters, and team flash extracted this energy from the iris and sent it back to The Speed Force so that The Speed Force could stabilize itself. And when The Speed Force did that, it led to the creation of other Forces.
 
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