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The Reaper of Time vs Absolute Chara. Speed equalized. Victory by any means. Who wins and why?
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Cronus (Saint Seiya) vs Chara
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Could go either way.
Either Chara one-shots him or he rewinds 'til the day she was in her father's balls, then kills her for good (Idk if this would work against her tho).
Either Chara one-shots him or he rewinds 'til the day she was in her father's balls, then kills her for good (Idk if this would work against her tho).
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I don't think Chara can go oneshotting an opponent with Multiversal durability, tho.
Cronus: 0
Chara: 0
Inconclusive: 1
Cronus: 0
Chara: 0
Inconclusive: 1
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Chara's Multiversal Feat was done through direct attack.
Cronus' Multiversal Feat was done through multitasking passive-energy / thought.
Cronus' Multiversal Feat was done through multitasking passive-energy / thought.
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Well, either way, can Cronus take down someone with Mid-Godly regen and Type 8 Immortality on a scale like Chara's?
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Yeah seems like Cronus has this.
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He can't, Prom. But I really don't see how he'd be harmed either.
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It's inconclusive.
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I don't think a "Character B can't be killed by Character A but will die over and over and over" scenario counts as inconclusive.
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Countless Parallel Worlds / Timelines within one grander Multiverse, which every Universe containing Parallel Universe-Sized Dimensions / Space-Time Continuums.
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Okay, counting the votes. But couldn't Cronus find some manner of potentially finishing Chara with some os his powers like Reality Warping, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manip on top of his other techniques? Since guys like Pontos could manipulate even Acausals or something.
Cronus: 0
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Inconclusive: 3 (HaveSomeBlade, Matther Schroeder, Shad604)
Cronus: 0
Chara: 0
Inconclusive: 3 (HaveSomeBlade, Matther Schroeder, Shad604)
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Yeah, Cronus' hax is broken. Cronus absolutely demolishes Chara through AP AND Hax.
But I don't think it can permanently put down Chara.
But I don't think it can permanently put down Chara.
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>Cronus is not affecting an abstract that has acausality
You do know that everyone worth their salt has Acausality in Saint Seiya, and that Gods can use Causality Manipulation and that Pontos can use Fate Manipulation on said gods?
You do know that everyone worth their salt has Acausality in Saint Seiya, and that Gods can use Causality Manipulation and that Pontos can use Fate Manipulation on said gods?
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mmmmm well Cronus did kill Uranus who is basically the abstract of the Skies who possesses acausality and Cronus and Uranus were born in the vast nothingness and yet Cronus was able to kill Uranus so I'm on the fence if he can kill someone with Mid-Godly regen.
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Not sure about Mid-Godly, but Shura killed a dragon which could regenerate from nothing.
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Yea, Cronus >>>>>> Shura and Uranus >>∞>> Dragon faceless.
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Irrelevant, Cronus would need concept manipulation/destruction in order to defeat Chara and even then, Chara would still regenerate from nothing.Matthew Schroeder said:
Chara's acausality was mentioned because its no-sells Cronus' causality and time manipulation.
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No it doesnt, its on same level.
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What? Acausality no-sells causality and time manipulation entirely. As I stated before Cronus has no way to defeat an abstract with Acausality, fortunately for Cronus, Chara's offensive attributes are trash.
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From what i can see here this is inconclusive as cronus can't kill chara as chara has mid-godly regen and type 8 immortality so cronus would basically have to have something like conceptual manipulation to erase whatever concept or object or whatever that keeps chara alive and also then have to completly erase chara as he can come back from nothing. On the other hand chara doesn't have any abilities that would prove a threat to cronus.
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>Acausality no-sells Causality and Time Manipulation
Yes, but weaker Gods in Saint Seiya can use Fate Manipulation on Acausal Gods.
Yes, but weaker Gods in Saint Seiya can use Fate Manipulation on Acausal Gods.
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Still irrelevant unless you have proof of Cronus using causality manipulation on someone on the same level (if not stronger) as him. Also if a character can affect someone with causality while they're acausal, this would imply that:
1. This character has Power Nullification/Negation.
2. This characters victims weren't acausal to begin with.
3. This scene was obviously PIS.
1. This character has Power Nullification/Negation.
2. This characters victims weren't acausal to begin with.
3. This scene was obviously PIS.
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2-C God using Causality Manipulation on 2-C Gods. It happened. Deal with it.
They are, they have explicit feats of not being affected by the Space-Time Continuum inflicting causality.
It's not. It's just being OP.
They are, they have explicit feats of not being affected by the Space-Time Continuum inflicting causality.
It's not. It's just being OP.
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Still no feats of Cronus affecting someone on the same level as him with causality while they're acausal, interesting...
If they were immune to changes in a Space-Time continuum, that'll be partial acausality at best.
Being OP doesn't rule out the chances of PIS occurring.
If they were immune to changes in a Space-Time continuum, that'll be partial acausality at best.
Being OP doesn't rule out the chances of PIS occurring.
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Cronus can't be affected by the literal Primordial God which controls the flow of fate.
There isn't partial acausality. That is an explicit high-end acausality feat.
It's not PIS.
Chara herself doesn't have feats of Acausality on someone of her level.
There isn't partial acausality. That is an explicit high-end acausality feat.
It's not PIS.
Chara herself doesn't have feats of Acausality on someone of her level.
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Cool an Acausality feat.. I still want the feat of Cronus using causality manipulation on someone with Acausality though.
Goku Black and Fusion Zamasu clearly have partial Acausality.
I need more proof than "It's not PIS".
Acausality is Acausality... You can't bypass it unless you're basically Omnipotent.
Goku Black and Fusion Zamasu clearly have partial Acausality.
I need more proof than "It's not PIS".
Acausality is Acausality... You can't bypass it unless you're basically Omnipotent.
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Cronus can shape the fates of Gods and Men, and control the course of time completely, or erase it entirely.
Said gods also have manipulation of fate, causality and acausality.
It's simply how powerful Cronus' is. Just like some Time Manipulation works on people with durability, or just like how wearing a fire-proof suit doesn't make you immune to the sun.
Saying you need to be Tier 0 to do so is laughable. And DBZ has nothing to do with this. They don't have nothing to do with this.
Said gods also have manipulation of fate, causality and acausality.
It's simply how powerful Cronus' is. Just like some Time Manipulation works on people with durability, or just like how wearing a fire-proof suit doesn't make you immune to the sun.
Saying you need to be Tier 0 to do so is laughable. And DBZ has nothing to do with this. They don't have nothing to do with this.
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Why do you keep redirecting me to these other feats that have nothing to do with Cronus using Causality manipulation on someone with Acausality?
Having Fate, Causality, and Time manipulation doesn't allow someone to bypass Acausality.
DBZ was an example of character's with partial Acausality, which some of these SS characters apply for if they're being affected by causality.
Having Fate, Causality, and Time manipulation doesn't allow someone to bypass Acausality.
DBZ was an example of character's with partial Acausality, which some of these SS characters apply for if they're being affected by causality.
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Because Cronus vastly outclasses all those gods in all aspects.
Holy Non-Sequitar, man.
Having those abilities allow one to fully bypass Acausality if they are shown doing it. It's that simple.If High-Level Acausality (Being unaffected by the literal space-time continuum) can be bypassed by another character's power, that doesn't make the acausality weak or incomplete.
It means that the other character's power is far higher level than regular Fate / Causality Manipulation.
And neither Black nor Zamasu have Acausality on profiles.
Holy Non-Sequitar, man.
Having those abilities allow one to fully bypass Acausality if they are shown doing it. It's that simple.If High-Level Acausality (Being unaffected by the literal space-time continuum) can be bypassed by another character's power, that doesn't make the acausality weak or incomplete.
It means that the other character's power is far higher level than regular Fate / Causality Manipulation.
And neither Black nor Zamasu have Acausality on profiles.
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Matt never said Cronus' Causality Manipulation was what he used put down an Acausal being. Rather he answered your claim that 'Cronus can not put down someone who is Acausal' since he has already done so.
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Again... Cronus being superior to the other Gods doesn't mean he can bypass their Acausality. Even if he could (which he can't so it's irrelevant) somehow bypass their Acausality it wouldn't automatically mean he has power nullification on Chara's level.
They have partial Acausality which some of these SS characters apply for with the feats you provided.
They have partial Acausality which some of these SS characters apply for with the feats you provided.
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Causality manipulation is the most powerful ability he mentioned, if that can't obviously bypass Acausality, why would the others?Sage God Slayer said:
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Yes he can. He has a literal attack that curses opponents into having a horrible fate, and this works on Acausal Gods. And At least 2-C Gods who can control the course of fate CANNOT affect Cronus. But he can, even though they are acausal. You never read Episode G.
Chara being 2-B in AP doesn't mean she will have a higher acausality by default. That is fallacious.
No, partial Acausality isn't a thing. It's not in any profile nor is it on Goku's. What there is are different scales of acausality, just like there are different scales of every power. Cronus' is on a higher scale than the regular acausality a lot of characters posess. That simple.
Chara being 2-B in AP doesn't mean she will have a higher acausality by default. That is fallacious.
No, partial Acausality isn't a thing. It's not in any profile nor is it on Goku's. What there is are different scales of acausality, just like there are different scales of every power. Cronus' is on a higher scale than the regular acausality a lot of characters posess. That simple.
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Why do you continue to use 2-C level feats in a 2-B battle? Acausality no-sells causality, fate, and time(to an extent) manipulation. If these characters were affected by fate manipulation, they're aren't Acausality, simple as that. If you're going to continue using this argument, I'm done here.
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Because AP has nothing to do with hax.
They were. They have acausal feats dummy.
They were. They have acausal feats dummy.
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Because having Acausality doesn't mean the character can't die.BreloomFanboy said:
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