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Crazy Hand vs Son Goku

I love how the calc I linked to earlier in the thread is being ignored ovo. If it's correct, then with speed unequalised, Goku blitzes to high hell.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Uhh...
Giga Bowser doesn't have hax though.
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Crazy Hand doesn't really have any hax in that context either, none of them would help here nor would it allow him to avoid the massive difference in speed and combat skill Goku has over him or even some of Goku's ability, like Danmaku, after image,reactive power level, sealing etc

hell, Goku even has the range advantage by far
 
Said Crazy Hand has the power to summon 50 MUI Gokus though.

Or at least, 50 Low 2-C Kirby's or Captain Falcons.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Said Crazy Hand has the power to summon 50 MUI Gokus though.
Or at least, 50 Low 2-C Kirby's or Captain Falcons.
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he never summon 50 at the same time on screen during a fight and since any character in the roster has a chance of beating him in a fight, his clones are probably way weaker

also it's easily solved by Danmaku + superior range
 
The characters being able to beat the Hands is a gameplay mechanic, just like any fighting game, where you can defeat the final boss with any character you want, but we don't scale from that. The only character who canonically defeated them was Tabuu.
 
Also the reason why he doesn't summon them at the same time is the reason why reason why Mega Sata doesn't spam danmaku while he summoned his minions.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
The characters being able to beat the Hands is a gameplay mechanic, just like any fighting game, where you can defeat the final boss with any character you want, but we don't scale from that. The only character who canonically defeated them was Tabuu.
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yet they beated Tabuu by ganging up on him in the story mode, so if Crazy can just summon most of the roster to fight, Tabuu wouldn't have been able to stomp both him and master hand

Satan doesn't do that because tear rates and cooldown, that's the same reason why Mega Satan doesn't just blast constantly, when you get his head as an item it has one of the largest cooldown in the game, so we know that Bosses have cooldown for their stuff too (at least he does)

also Satan isn't Crazy Hand so the comparison doesn't work
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
A bunch of Tier 7 characters beating a Low 2-C is an outlier in its purest form.
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the story is litteraly 100% about beating Tabuu so unless you want to say that Brawl doesn't count despite being a game from the main series, you can't dismiss it

if you have a probleme with them being tier 7 and beating a low 2-C, either ask for their upgrade or for Tabuu's upgrade in the approritate thread but that's not really the subject here
 
Just because it's the main point of the game, doesn't mean it's not an outlier.

Like say if I did my whole quest with the goal of defeating a 2-A, and I've only demonstrated 9-B feats in my life. Don't you think me defeating a 2-A would be a bit of an outlier?

Also we had a whole ******* thread about Low 2-C Smash, it was bad. Don't go there.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
You know what the term "outlier" means, right?
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given that it is mostly used a buzzword to say 'i dismiss that feat', that's probably what it mean but once again, not the subject
 
If you think it isn't an outlier, good luck with the content revision thread that you'll have to make to upgrade them back to Low 2-C (because the SSB playable characters were Low 2-C via defeating Tabuu once, but they were downgraded, because Tier 7 characters beating a Low 2-C is bs).
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Just because it's the main point of the game, doesn't mean it's not an outlier.
Like say if I did my whole quest with the goal of defeating a 2-A, and I've only demonstrated 9-B feats in my life. Don't you think me defeating a 2-A would be a bit of an outlier?

Also we had a whole ******* thread about Low 2-C Smash, it was bad. Don't go there.
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except that it does, a writer wouldn't give a goal to his character while not planning for them to have the capacity to accomplish it (except if he is planning a bad enging)

not if it is the whole point of the story, a writer wouldn't creat a character for a single goal and then make them unable to accomplish it

i never said anything about that, i said that if you had a probleme with that, you could request for a revision of either tiering, either downgrading Tabuu or upgrading the rest, i personaly don't care either way
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
If you think it isn't an outlier, good luck with the content revision thread that you'll have to make to upgrade them back to Low 2-C (because the SSB playable characters were Low 2-C via defeating Tabuu once, but they were downgraded, because Tier 7 characters beating a Low 2-C is bs).
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why would i care about upgrading them ? them beating Tabuu while Tier 7 is fine by me since i don't care at all about the smash franchise, make them tier -1 if you want even
 
Okay lemme put it this way, Gravity Falls, two kids who have really only displayed 10-B feats are put against Bill Cipher, a Low 2-C.

In the series finale, they manage to hurt Bill.

Are the kids Low 2-C now?
 
If you don't want to change the pages, then we just have to follow what was agreed on the other SSB threads: only Tabbu has ever defeated the Hands and the other character defeating Tabuu is an outlier. If you don't agree with that, then good luck with the content revision thread.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Okay lemme put it this way, Gravity Falls, two kids who have really only displayed 10-B feats are put against Bill Cipher, a Low 2-C.
In the series finale, they manage to hurt Bill.

Are the kids Low 2-C now?
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maybe or Bill is way below low 2-C

or Bill can specificaly be beaten by those children with whatever they used to harm him

or Bill has a shitty durability and speed

either way, they still beated him, so if someone can replicate what they did to hurt him, they would hurt him too if they are at least 10-B, since it's what was shown
 
"Bill is way below Low 2-C"

Nope, he one-shot a Low 2-C.

"Bill can specificaly be beaten by those children with whatever they used to harm him"

He got hurt by a ******* spray can dude.

"Bill has a shitty durability and speed"

Bill has Universal+ dura, and how does Speed affect the kids hurting him?
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
If you don't want to change the pages, then we just have to follow what was agreed on the other SSB threads: only Tabbu has ever defeated the Hands and the other character defeating Tabuu is an outlier. If you don't agree with that, then good luck with the content revision thread.
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it isn't noted on Crazy Hand's page nor on Tabuu's page that is an outlier so as far as it goes, it being an outlier isn't an 'official fact' of this wiki

also i'm not the one who mentioned low 2-C being summoned by Crazy Hand
 
Technically they were tier 2 via beating multiple tier 2's and harming them ( Palkia, Dialga , Tabbu , Master & Crazy Hand / Master Core & Fortress , and Giga Bowser ) since Smash 4 is canon to the original Smash Bros.

Hand via hax and AP advantage BTW for me.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
"Bill is way below Low 2-C"
Nope, he one-shot a Low 2-C.

"Bill can specificaly be beaten by those children with whatever they used to harm him"

He got hurt by a ******* spray can dude.

"Bill has a shitty durability and speed"

Bill has Universal+ dura, and how does Speed affect the kids hurting him?
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and yet he couldn't harm those kids who are way more important and primordial to the story and therefor to what the author think everyone can or can't do

then he has a shitty durability and is probably way below low 2-C

if he got hurt by a spray can, i don't believe you

if you are 30000 quadrillions time the speed of light, the chance of you being hurt, no matter your durability is significantly lower, that's how speed that situation
 
You know there is a term called.... PIS.

You know, PIS is known as Plot-Induced Stupidity.

Like Hulk getting hurt by an average Gorilla, Superboy-Prime being able to harm Mister Mxy, or the aforementioned Bill Cipher being hurt by a ******* Spray Can.
 
Dragomer said:
once again, tier 2, tier 7 or tier -1, i don't care, it doesn't affect what i'm saying
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Yes, it does. Your argument involves Tabuu being defeated by Tier 7 characters. Tabuu losing to them is an outlier.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
You know there is a term called.... PIS.
You know, PIS is known as Plot-Induced Stupidity.

Like Hulk getting hurt by an average Gorilla, Superboy-Prime being able to harm Mister Mxy, or the aforementioned Bill Cipher being hurt by a ******* Spray Can.
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no, PIS can't be the whole point of the story, what you're talking about is 'idiot plot' and it's subjective

Hulk was explained to be as strong as he is pissed off and like animals in most incarnation so bad exemple

Superboy had an in-univers reason for why he can suddenly do it too

i don't know Bill Cipher so it can maybe work as an exemple but meh
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Dragomer said:
once again, tier 2, tier 7 or tier -1, i don't care, it doesn't affect what i'm saying
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Yes, it does. Your argument involves Tabuu being defeated by Tier 7 characters. Tabuu losing to them is an outlier.
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no, it doesn't, Tabuu being defeated by the smash cast has nothing to do with whatever tier they have

and my actual argument before it we went HS is that if Crazy Hand could someone most of the cast (or all of it maybe), he wouldn't have been stomped by Tabuu, so either his copy are weaker, he can't someone all of them at once or both, wich is likely since we never see him summoning 50 copies at the same time
 
Dragomer said:
no, it doesn't, Tabuu being defeated by the smash cast has nothing to do with whatever tier they have

and my actual argument before it we went HS is that if Crazy Hand could someone most of the cast (or all of it maybe), he wouldn't have been stomped by Tabuu, so either his copy are weaker, he can't someone all of them at once or both, wich is likely since we never see him summoning 50 copies at the same time
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Why would the clones being weaker than Tabuu prove they are weaker than the actual characters, when the actual characters also get curbstomped into oblivion by Tabuu?
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
And as a note, how is this not PIS?
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given that you didn't give me anything that suggest he has any durability, i don't see how it's PIS, also it's a joke so your exemple doesn't even work since not an outlier but an obvious joke, he isn't even hurt, it's more like he is closing his eyes to get that shit out of it, wich is not related to durability
 
Well he says: "OW, WHY EVERY TIME!"

Given how he literally fought a giant mech before hand I don't see how it's not PIS.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Dragomer said:
no, it doesn't, Tabuu being defeated by the smash cast has nothing to do with whatever tier they have

and my actual argument before it we went HS is that if Crazy Hand could someone most of the cast (or all of it maybe), he wouldn't have been stomped by Tabuu, so either his copy are weaker, he can't someone all of them at once or both, wich is likely since we never see him summoning 50 copies at the same time
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Why would the clones being weaker than Tabuu prove they are weaker than the actual characters, when the actual characters also get curbstomped into oblivion by Tabuu?
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because the most of the cast ganging up can beat Tabuu, while Crazy Hand can't have his copy ganging up on Tabuu to win, so either he can't summon 50 at once, they are weaker or both or maybe they are so mindless they are basicaly useless, wich would explain why you can beat all 50 of them with a single character due to superior fighting skill, wich Goku posses, with the addition of long range Danmaku, so as i said, it's not gonna make Crazy Hand win
 
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