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Concerns about some of the Asura's Wrath stats

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So recently while i was putting in some calcs that both justfied and sort of upgraded the characters of the verse, i noticed that Asura's Berseker form didn't had a tier for being able to clash with the Karma Fortress in a.....beam clash. So i decided to add a 5-A tier to his page until shortly after Prom pointed out how Yasha (who had beaten Asura yet again mid-game, but this time it was after Asura nearly died and got crisped by the Karma Fortress after losing the beam struggle) and Deus didn't have the tier either.

But here's several things i have a couple concerns i have on the verse that i will just straight up say it here and then say something else:

1) What exactly puts characters like Asura at Massively Hypersonic+ speed?

2) How is the Karma Fortrss 5-A and how was it that Deus merging with it made him jump 2 tiers to Low 4-C?

3) Where was it that made the characters Massively Hypersonic+? (Note: apparently the Sub-Relativistic+ comes from Augus who in his fight against Asura in Ep 11 where he stabbed the latter with his sword and took both of each other towards earth in less than a few minutes)...

Now i'm not exactly the best when it comes to making these kinds of threads and as much as i like the Asura's Wrath verse greatly but unless there's some evidence that we really need to have to justify the stats (ex. Karma Fortress being 5-A and somehow making Deus Low 4-C by merging with it), i honestly think we need to downgrade them to somehere like around 5-B or something. Speed is kind of....idk.
 
I haven't played the game but I think he may have dodged attacks that came from space in only a few seconds.
 
Well the speed for FTL is from Iwandesu's recent calc (that which you recently approved of).

It's the Massively Hypersonic+ stat that irks me. It could be from what you said but that might have been from Episode 1. Asura from like the rest of the game somehow got faster, but that might be because of scaling from Augus but that was like mid-way in the game though?
 
I think in the very first chapter you're fighting around in space or something and (presumably) travel far distances, so that may be it.
 
Oh okay then. Well i guess Asura being that fast from the first chapter might make sense, and him eventually getting faster to Sub-Rela can past for me. *Nods*

Though i think that they should be downgraded slightly to like just Sub-Rela cause it doesn't take someone long to go from the moon to the earth if they high end MHS+ or even Sub-Relativisitc, no? Cause Saitama for example is casually Sub-Rela for jumping from the Moon to Earth, so i think that Asura and the others should get this as well (i know it's probably a bad comparison but i find it odd that they would be faster than him like that).

So other than speed, there's still the issue with things like the Karma Fortress being 5-A and Deus somehow jumping to Low 4-C when that's like a 19,740+ power gap between the low end of 5-A to Dwarf Star and finally the low end of Low 4-C.

I think that it had something to do with the Asura's Wrath Guidebook that was released after the DLC of the game out. In it, it had an image of the Karma Fortress after Deus merged with it to be bigger than the Earth and the Moon....yet i think that doesn't justify it enough at all in the slightest cause wouldn't post merged-Deus only make him just Large Planet level?

Actually, how the hell did merging with the Fortress make him Low 4-C when the last tier it had (more like it's only tier) only placed it at Large Planet? And onto that, where was it stated that the Fortress was Large Planet? Was it from its beam or was it from being phyiscally bigger than the Earth?
 
I don't know why Deus suddenly gets the jump but maybe some stars are fired off during the fight or something
 
From what i fully recall of the time he got merged into the Fortress, i doubt it. There wasn't any stars i know that Deus destroyed AFAIK.

I think it might be because of it's size but i really think that it's kind of BS that it went from Large Planet to granting Deus Small Star level. Like.....WTF?
 
Gallavant said:
Saitama is from a manga, which doesn't have cinematic timeframes.
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I did say it was a bad comparison, at least.

But it doesn't matter. Thing is that how do they have Sub-Rela+ speed though? Apparently on Augus's page (that everyone seems to be scaled from) he went from the moon to the Earth in under a few minutes. But wouldn't they actually have high-end MHS+ or just Sub-Rela speed though?
 
Hmm, I am not sure but the light travels from the moon to earth in 1.282 seconds or something
 
IIRC once the camera pans to show the actual travel of the sword it only takes a few seconds to get to Earth. I think they also scaled from an orbit to Earth attack dodge?
 
Maybe? And turns out i was wrong about Augus's speed.

It said that he crossed the distance between the Earth and Moon in UNDER A MINUTE. Not a few minutes like i said earlier.

Here's the video for what i meant.

Okay onto the Karma Fortress and Deus part.

Here's the video of where Deus, after losing to Asura and Yasha in base form, merge's with the Karma Fortress. From the looks of it, by the time he fully merged with it, the Fortress ends forming a lower mid-section creating a full body of sorts; the Fortress having become bigger than the planet, hell its hands are big enough that Deus really wanted to he can smash a planet to pieces with those things...
 
It's not the first time that kind of thing happened.

Gongen Wyzen is easily as big as the planet and even the initial boss enemy is comparable to a planet in size.
 
So what does that leaves us here? The thing i'm really confused is should we downgrade Deu's merged form to 5-A or something like Planet level+?

Also, idek if the Bramashtra(?)/Karma Fortress is 5-A or not. I think it might be because of its beam which is suppose to be able to destroy the will of the planet Vlitra....with a compressed beam so that it doesn't destroy the planet; only the creature itself....hmm...
 
I feel the need to mention something I just remembered.

It's a dead calc, but there is a calc for Gongen Wyzen that's barely Large Planet level (7.2 yottatons) on the OBD's comprehensive energy scale.
 
Ah yes, there is that.

Hmm....so given that, could we possibly scale them to that? Cause that would mean that Asura and the 7 deities would be Large Planet level then. But what about the Small Star level stat? There's no justification for it and given the new AP stat of Dwarf Star, that thing really would have to some super boost that allowed Deus to be Small Star level...
 
Apparently it had to do with Sakra Devanem Indra Deus being the size of a small star, though that honestly always felt exaggerated to me.

Why not "At least Large Planet level" instead?
 
I suggest you remove the questionable stats for now and put them at unknown, since they were obviously put long time ago without proper justification. We will fix the rating once we get new data on the feats
 
@Cross: I share the same feelings as you bro, seeing profiles with unjustified stats gets me pissed. If someone is so lazy to put stats, why bother making profile or do the edit -_-
 
@Faisal: Exactly. That and i really don't know anymore. The OBD has everyone + the Karma Fortress (except Charkravartin for obvious reasons) as Large Planet as Wyzen's Gongen Form Finger Poke more was calc'd at Large Planet exactly as what Everlasting said.

Sadly, the link is dead over there much like everything else related to NF's. So basically, we're pretty much at dead weight here with to justify them other than eyeballing and guessing what they can do....
 
This may not really be prevelant to the main topic at hand. But I would still like to show something which I think is of significant importance.

According to the databooks Chakravatin was at the center of our galaxy when he was in his idol form. Despite this incredible distance away from us he was this visible from Earth. I think this would make Chak galaxy size via virtue of size.
 
@Austrian: Except that it was said by Rocks75 and others last year to somewhat contradict what the game showed of his actual size. That and i was declared to be secondary canon at best(?)....
 
I hope somebody from our calc team recalcs the Wyzen fingerpoke scene, it's quite famous and should be listed. The rest are good at unknown.
 
We can request that then. Seriously, Wyzen is literally the primary reason they are scaled to as Large Planet on the OBD.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
We can request that then. Seriously, Wyzen is literally the primary reason they are scaled to as Large Planet on the OBD.
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Why Large planet level? Asura resisting the the large finger? It didn't look such a big feat to me
 
Wyzen's Large Planet level is based on his death explosion, where he makes a massive explosion that dwarfs the size of the Earth when he dies.
 
I believe it's better to just give a rough estimate as recalcing a feat to get a result only slightly different then the last is a waste of time if you ask me
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Either we do that, or just give them rough estimates. :/ @Xcano
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Actually we can give rough estimates, that's technically allowed (just write possibly), that's far better than no explanation.

So yeah, just put At least planet level (destroyed Wyzen), possibly higher.

This is until we get new calc
 
Honestly speaking? Even if we were to just wait for a new calc, that shit ain't gonna come until like.....well whenever someone can do it.

I'd rather we do just that and make rough estimates....
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Honestly speaking? Even if we were to just wait for a new calc, that shit ain't gonna come until like.....well whenever someone can do it.
I'd rather we do just that and make rough estimates....
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That's totally fine, rough estimate is infinitely better than no estimate.
 
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