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Combined Human vs Samurai Jack

There are many many things CH can do to win, but it comes down to which is more likely. And imo, that is Jack winning. Jack's senses are downright almost close to perfection, defeating the blind archers, who can take down whole armies, simply by hearing and dodging. CH may be skilled, and insanely experienced, but Jack fights unnatural stuff all the time. From demons to robots to zombies to evil incarnate. And once again, the most skilled warriors of his universe's history, which included giants, humanoid tigers and more, from across various worlds, could not defeat him. He could even hold his own against the Imakandi, the best hunters in the galaxy if I'm not remembering wrong. And this is in a time period insanely more advanced than anything in our history, funny enough, combined. We have adapted to fight stuff from our own planet. Jack has adapted to fight against that and more. That is my opinion.

Edit: Hell, he even defeated the forces of nature, which Aku, after many many many MANY centuries of trying, could not do, by sheer skill. Defeates even the titan cronos, once again, by sheer skill.
 
I really don't understand the whole "unnatural argument", do any of those unnatural creatures have thousands of war experiences from every prospective. The answer is no, plus the combined human isn't a normal human it's the collective of an entire species; it would rip the archers to shreds along with everything else since it can: see 157 billions times better than an average human, hear 157 billion times better, it knows ever human behavior by the back of its hand, and knows every fighting style ever by the back of its hand. It would know everything jack is going to do and would know his personality in a minute tops.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
There are many many things CH can do to win, but it comes down to which is more likely. And imo, that is Jack winning. Jack's senses are downright almost close to perfection, defeating the blind archers, who can take down whole armies, simply by hearing and dodging. CH may be skilled, and insanely experienced, but Jack fights unnatural stuff all the time. From demons to robots to zombies to evil incarnate. And once again, the most skilled warriors of his universe's history, which included giants, humanoid tigers and more, from across various worlds, could not defeat him. He could even hold his own against the Imakandi, the best hunters in the galaxy if I'm not remembering wrong. And this is in a time period insanely more advanced than anything in our history, funny enough, combined. We have adapted to fight stuff from our own planet. Jack has adapted to fight against that and more. That is my opinion.

Edit: Hell, he even defeated the forces of nature, which Aku, after many many many MANY centuries of trying, could not do, by sheer skill. Defeates even the titan cronos, once again, by sheer skill.
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You took the cronos part way out of context; cronos didn't want to be there in the first place and he ways falling apart; plus a lot of the cronos part was done through before hand knowledge.
 
Keewee

From the CH profile:

"For simplicity sake, only its physical stats are multiplied by the number of humans who have ever existed. And not other bodily functions/attributes like metabolism, electric conductivity, speed of healing, heat, acidity, etc."
 
"see/hear 157 billions times better"

I'm...almost positive that's not how the character concept works.

EDIT: Ninja'd, but yeah.
 
About the unnatural part, is because the CH does not have actual battle experience against that type of enemies. Only what he IMAGINES to be fighting against them.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Keewee

From the CH profile:

"For simplicity sake, only its physical stats are multiplied by the number of humans who have ever existed. And not other bodily functions/attributes like metabolism, electric conductivity, speed of healing, heat, acidity, etc."
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That actually sounds more confusing, why would it not have better senses?
 
I just watched the scene again (first time I guess I didn't understand it), jack still mostly won for two reason other than skill: location helped him hid, he already knew it's weakness (it's missing the eye before it even truly started to attack jack with means he pulled it out before the fight even began).
 
Using the location to your advantage is part of being skilled. Plus, when the fight started you can actually see the eye there. He most likely took it after the temple was destroyed.

Edit: And is the fact that he can take the eye without Aku or Cronus himself noticing, even after all the smoke cleared, that shows his skilled.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Using the location to your advantage is part of being skilled. Plus, when the fight started you can actually see the eye there. He most likely took it after the temple was destroyed.

Edit: And is the fact that he can take the eye without Aku or Cronus himself noticing, even after all the smoke cleared, that shows his skilled.
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I know he used skill but it was mostly do to how the plot worked he was able to do it; he already knew the weakness and the place was covered in hundreds of places to hid and the smoke makes the feats worse since it gave jack a perfect opportunity to steal the gem; also none of that matters since it's no where near as skill as being every general on earth+every solider+every scientist+every fighter ever to exist.
 
@Lephyr

The eye being there has to be an animation error. If you look at the fight there isn't a single moment Jack is able to do that. He is on the ground, Cronus has the eye. Cronus slams his hand down. Jack gets up and runs away. Cronus doesn't have the eye.
 
@Assalt

And before the fight there was no time either, since Aku was watching the entire time.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Lephyr

The eye being there has to be an animation error. If you look at the fight there isn't a single moment Jack is able to do that. He is on the ground, Cronus has the eye. Cronus slams his hand down. Jack gets up and runs away. Cronus doesn't have the eye.
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No the episode says he grabbed it (somehow). Also I think jack getting the pieces was a better test of skill than the fight considering how the opponent was missing his main weapon for 90% of the fight.
 
Keeweed

From Cronus' profile:

"Intelligence: Very high. Ruled the entire cosmos, understood the secrets of time and had cosmic awareness of the universe around him, though was driven into madness and paranoia by his own power."

Edit: From Cronus' profile also

"Eye of Cronus: A Gem placed on Cronus' helmet. With it, the titan gains cosmic awareness, allowing him to "Focus his vision of universal time"."

So even with that, Jack stole the eye. And frankly... I'm willing to call that PiS because my god xD
 
Why Jack is 7-C?, I can't see any calc.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Keeweed

From Cronus' profile:

"Intelligence: Very high. Ruled the entire cosmos, understood the secrets of time and had cosmic awareness of the universe around him, though was driven into madness and paranoia by his own power."
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But the eye is what gave him that ability and that's what jack stole 5 seconds into the fight when he was distracted and just got their.
 
Yeah that is pretty stupid on cronos part (though he just got there, was probably still mentally insane, and had old man Aku screaming at him)
 
But back to the fight, Jack could also hold his own against The Guardian.
 
I remember that scene as clear as day and that still isn't really good enough plus saying he held his own is a overstatement that is one of the time jack truly got his ass handed to him. (I think jacks father would be more of a match skill wise than jack actually; the scene when he fought aku was one of the best scenes in the show).
 
Here

States that for "countless eons" he has guarded the time passage, and defeated in combat all sorts of warriors, "from the mightiest of giants, to the smallest of creatures".

THAT is not good enough? Now you are just overestimating the CH. And... No, he did hold his own, to the point that he made the Guardian bloodlusted.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Here

States that for "countless eons" he has guarded the time passage, and defeated in combat all sorts of warriors, "from the mightiest of giants, to the smallest of creatures".

THAT is not good enough? Now you are just overestimating the CH. And... No, he did hold his own, to the point that he made the Guardian bloodlusted.
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Guardianing one of many time portal for eons vs being everyone involved in thousands of wars that spanned for hundreds of years; thousands of fights from a single prospective is nowhere near fighting thousands of wars from thousands of prospective, plus the guardian kick jacks ass and was playing around for most the fight (plus he didn't want to kill jack anyways since he already knew his future).
 
Jack was fighting someone with more experience and strength than him. he lasted a decnet amount of time but overall he got his handed to him and didnt really get in any good blows of his own on the Guardian.


Here we CH who is quite weaker than Jack but is MASSIVELY more experienced and more intelligent.
 
keeweed

"since he already knew his future"

The portal actually showed him. Otherwise, he would have killed him.

And by the way, Quality > Quantity. CH knows everything he needs to know about fighting, and has made entire wars, against himself. Jack, and The Guardian even more so, knows fighting against all sorts of different oponents. Stuff that CH only, literally, dreams of.

I'm sorry, but still imo, Jack is more skilled. And at this point, we won't convince the other. So let's just agree to disagree and let others decide who would they think wins.
 
you are vastly overestimating the fact that just because CH hasnt fought robots or demons and what that somehow gives Jack this huge advantage.


he's fighting JACK a HUMAN.
 
Umm, when have I said this is a huge advantage for Jack, though? I even said CH has many many many different ways to win, but imo is more likely for Jack to win based on his experience against all sorts of enemies. I M O
 
Welp, time to erase all those fights Kharn won because of his skill, then. I mean, he's 10,000 years experience is fighting demons, right? That won't help against someone like GOKU.

Don't you see the problem with that?
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Welp, time to erase all those fights Kharn won because of his skill, then. I mean, he's 10,000 years experience is fighting demons, right? That won't help against someone like GOKU.

Don't you see the problem with that?
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1: The combined human would still be more skill thousand fights vs thousands of wars 2: Kharn's enemies are completely different than the guardians and jack's enemies.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Welp, time to erase all those fights Kharn won because of his skill, then. I mean, he's 10,000 years experience is fighting demons, right? That won't help against someone like GOKU.
Don't you see the problem with that?
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your analogy doesnt work since Kharn has TEN THOUSAND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE
 
It was an (bit extreme, being honest) example. Anyway, as I said, we won't convince the other, so let's leave it like that. There is even possibly going to be a downgrade for Jack, so it's not like it matters.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
It was an (bit extreme, being honest) example. Anyway, as I said, we won't convince the other, so let's leave it like that. There is even possibly going to be a downgrade for Jack, so it's not like it matters.
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I personally think he should still be mountain level for fighting Aku when he's that big and when he fought that rock Viking but that doesn't really matter also I'm going to bed it's 3:30 am where I live.
 
I agree with that, actually. Hell, has even tanked various attacks from a full bloodlusted Aku (graveyard fight), and a serious one (the mafia one). Even tanked an attack from the fire spirit thing from the mafia episode too, who could defeat Aku.

Edit: Good night, BTW.
 
@Keeweed

The Stone Samurai, without scaling, isn't hitting anywhere close to Mountain. Even if the Samurai's arm weighed as much as the Great Pyramid of Giza (spoilers, it doesn't) and could move 100 meters per second, it would only strike with near-baseline 7-C levels of energy.
 
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