Combined Human vs Samurai Jack

[Spartan1204]

7-C Versions

The fight takes place in a desert in the Arabian Desert

Combined Human: 6 (SITHISIT, AquaWaifu, Keeweed, Assaltwaffle, BruceTheBatman, Therefir)

Samurai Jack: 7 (DMUA, MrKingOfNegativity, LephyrTheRevanchist, Js250476, TurboTriangle601, Noahkaismith, The Wright Way)

Inconclusive:

Rules:

In-character, but both are serious about winning.

Win by whatever they would do in-character to win.

Speed equalized.

Jack is restricted to only his signature sword.

Standard Battle Assumptions for everything else.

Who wins?

 

[SITHISIT]

Combined Human has quite literally 20,000x more skill than him in literally every sort of martial arts, he has mastery over every form of fighting, every weapon, has the accuracy of every great marksman in existence combined together, and thousands of times more intelligent than him that he would know just to kick dust in rapid directions if his eyesight somehow fails him seeing Samurai Jack (bc nigh-invisibility) and knowing he's invisible.

Combined Human has my vote.

 

[DMUA]

Composite Human is only Smol Town level though.

Either way, he vastly out skills, Jack would probably get disarmed and completely owned in CQC. I'll go with him.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

CH is Low 7-C without prep, and hasn't been specified any weapons here. Jack is well into 7-C judging from the feats on his page, as well as the pages of those he scales to. Moreover, real-life blades and firearms (as we have them on our wiki) aren't anywhere near strong enough to harm Jack, nor are they capable of blocking his strikes without shattering into pieces.

Also, the greatest fighters in the SJverse's history en masse couldn't defeat Jack in a multiple-vs-one fight.

Betting on him.

 

[DMUA]

Oh.

Oh.

Well then Jack I guess.

 

[Js250476]

Yeah Jack seems way to strong and skilled for CH to beat so I also vote for the foolish Samurai warrior

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I will have to say Jack as well, for MrKing's reasons.

Though would like to add to anyone wondering CH exact ap, it would be somewhere around 5.1 kilotons.

 

[Spartan1204]

Yeah Jack seems way to strong and skilled for CH to beat so I also vote for the foolish Samurai warrior

CH is way more skilled than Jack.

@MrKingOfNegativity There are deflection techniques that don't require the deflection tool to be of the durability as the weapon it is deflecting.

 

[Js250476]

Reminder against Demongo Jack fought all of the greatest warriors in history and they still couldn't beat him

 

[SITHISIT]

CH is Low 7-C without prep, and hasn't been specified any weapons here. Jack is well into 7-C judging from the feats on his page, as well as the pages of those he scales to. Moreover, real-life blades and firearms (as we have them on our wiki) aren't anywhere near strong enough to harm Jack, nor are they capable of blocking his strikes without shattering into pieces.
Also, the greatest fighters in the SJverse's history en masse couldn't defeat Jack in a multiple-vs-one fight.

Betting on him.

this is the fighting skill of 137 billion people COMBINED put into combined human i think your forgetting. just because super skilled people in-verse couldnt beat him means nothing against the skill of masters of every single form of combat even ones lost since 2 million years ago combined into him. 137 billion people's total skill with masters of combat forms that have been lost for 2 million years and who knows they might even be more advanced than our current ones > Jack's skill.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

The point of the observation was that any weapon which gets hit by Jack's sword will be destroyed by the force of the swing. I'm aware of the various deflection techniques that exist in martial arts, but such things do not change that fact.

Which brings up another point; no prior knowledge means CH has no idea how physically superior Jack is to him, so there's no telling whether or not he/she will use those techniques right off the bat. It only takes one failed attempt to block or dodge for the Human to die in this scenario, and with his/her inability to harm Jack with anything but his/her fists, an opportunity for Jack to capitalize will at some point present itself.

The "who knows, they might even be more advanced than our current ones" is speculatory at best.

Also, Jack regularly defeats a 6-B with raw skill and nothing but his sword. That's already much more than any IRL human has done.

 

[Spartan1204]

@Js250476 Demongo had some of the best warriors in history in the Samurai Jack verse, not all. If Demongo had all that would mean he had fighters the Scotsman and Jack. Moreover, there are other great warriors that Demongo didn't have.

Furthermore, CH isn't just the best combat skills of every human that ever lived, but all the best intellect of every human that ever lived.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Intellect can only get the Human so far against someone who otherwise outclasses him/her to the degree that Jack does. CH is already severely disadvantaged due to being limited to real-life weapons which are nowhere near capable of harming Jack on their own. Add to this the fact that CH is much weaker physically and lacks prior knowledge of any kind, and the gap between them only increases.

I'm not saying CH has no chances, but the probability of Jack winning is much higher than vice-versa.

 

[Js250476]

Also if your talking about Aku I'm pretty sure he's 6-B

 

[Spartan1204]

@MrKingOfNegativity There deflection tool only needs to deflect to serve its purpose, whether it gets destroyed afterwards is irrelevant because the sword has already been deflect. Moreover, take into consideration that CH knows and mastered every disarming technique known to man. Also, CH isn't a normal human, he is the combination of the best. There have been humans that have beaten beasts that outclass them in strength. CH takes all of them and upscales it with the summed strength and intellect of all humans that have every lived.

 

[AquaWaifu]

CH wins due to the utterly massive skill and intelligence gap.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

A normal human defeating someone stronger than them =/= a Low 7-C with 9-C to 9-A weapons defeating someone who possesses casual 7-C feats, 7-C weapons, stat amplification, showings against armies and experience regularly beating a 6-B. Even when accounting for the mirth of experience CH has, saying that such a thing on its lonesome will allow him/her to defeat Jack no matter what is...fallacious, to say the least.

The only thing CH can even remotely harm Jack with is his/her bare fists. Jack can do that on top of killing the Human with his sword, or with any of the ranged weapons he acquired and kept throughout Season 5. (Those are part of his standard equipment, also)

If Jack calls upon his ancestors to boost his power, then the physical gap between them will be even worse.

No prior knowledge means the two of them know nothing of each other going into the fight, which also gives Jack the advantage, as he does not need to rely on specific techniques or circumstances in order to win in this thing. CH setting up a strategy to deal with Jack's superior stats and weapons requires him/her to realize how outclassed he/she is in those areas in the first place, whereas Jack can win just by dealing with the conflict as it evolves and mentally adapting to deal with what comes his way. Which he is extremely good at.

 

[Js250476]

Basically Jack just needs to do his standard stuff to have a solid advantage is what I'm getting

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

More or less. Though even if CH manages to adapt to the situation at hand, Jack has shown on plenty of occasions that he's capable of doing the same.

 

[AquaWaifu]

so is disarming not a thing here?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

It is, but the Human has to get to that point.

Assuming he/she hasn't already either been cut down or shot with one of Jack's ranged weapons from S5 prior to such a thing, he/she would have to be able to catch up with and outmaneuver someone who can frontflip over projectiles, jump across blatantly superhuman heights/distances, run up/along walls and deflect sustained machinegun fire with only one hand.

All while not getting hit with any attack said person can dish out.

 

[Js250476]

Jack can "Jump good" to avoid and out maneuver CH basically

 

[Spartan1204]

Oh, I was thinking about having Jack with only his signature sword when making this match up. I'll edit of original post.

 

[Js250476]

If Jack uses Scaramouche's sword to blow CH up at the end I would Lol so hard

 

[Keeweed]

Jack can "Jump good" to avoid and out maneuver CH basically

I think the combined jump of 157 billion people can easily jump higher than jack; plus the combined human has better lifting strength meaning he could just pin jack to the floor. It's also in character for the combined human to use every cheap trick straight out the bat mean jack could be paralyzed, blinded, and annoyed 5 seconds into the fight.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Jack can fight in midair, having cut through things while mid-flight multiple times before. Even if the Human can jump higher than him, all that will do is leave the latter wide open for a counterattack.

Grabbing Jack and pinning him down requires CH to be capable of catching him, which most likely won't happen due to Jack's feats of agility and movement. Even then, Jack is a master of numerous forms of martial arts. Do you think he won't know a maneuver that will allow him to hurl the Human off of himself despite his weaker lifting strength? (Unless you mean to tell me that CH is now the combined weight of every human who has ever lived as well.)

Also, what gives you the impression that CH has anything here that can blind or paralyze Jack? Common nets and ropes won't work, and nerve agents require prep time for him/her to acquire. Flashbang grenades also require prep time to gain access to, as do things like chemicals and mace.

More than that, Jack has been shown fighting while blinded.

 

[Spartan1204]

@Keeweed Are you voting for CH?

 

[TurboTriangle601]

Jack for reasons above.

 

[SITHISIT]

A normal human defeating someone stronger than them =/= a Low 7-C with 9-C to 9-A weapons defeating someone who possesses casual 7-C feats, 7-C weapons, stat amplification, showings against armies and experience regularly beating a 6-B. Even when accounting for the mirth of experience CH has, saying that such a thing on its lonesome will allow him/her to defeat Jack no matter what is...fallacious, to say the least.

The only thing CH can even remotely harm Jack with is his/her bare fists. Jack can do that on top of killing the Human with his sword, or with any of the ranged weapons he acquired and kept throughout Season 5. (Those are part of his standard equipment, also)

If Jack calls upon his ancestors to boost his power, then the physical gap between them will be even worse.

No prior knowledge means the two of them know nothing of each other going into the fight, which also gives Jack the advantage, as he does not need to rely on specific techniques or circumstances in order to win in this thing. CH setting up a strategy to deal with Jack's superior stats and weapons requires him/her to realize how outclassed he/she is in those areas in the first place, whereas Jack can win just by dealing with the conflict as it evolves and mentally adapting to deal with what comes his way. Which he is extremely good at.

LMFAO it's actually a normal rule of thumb that combined human's weapons are always Low 7-C or higher IIRC

But you still are SERIOUSLY underestimating the intel and skill gap between them. Your only argument is brute strength, Combined Human has the combined skill of all humans over the years and that counts as... combined human has skill and has been fighting 30,000 times longer than Jack has been ALIVE if we count everybody.

And combined can always run away and start setting up a Tsar Bomba to drop.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

My argument doesn't simply revolve around brute strength. Far from it; it's a mixture of strength, superhuman agility, adaptation to the threats that CH can pose to him, more feasible weaponry for the situation and skills that Combined has never run into before. As well as lack of prior knowledge between the two of them, which gives Jack the edge right off the bat due to him possessing those superior physicals.

Also, since when is the Human's arsenal allowed to be anything that isn't feasible IRL? That's never been the case in any fight I've seen him/her used in.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"Can always run away and start setting up a Tsar Bomba to drop."

A. Highly unlikely

B. Because Jack would let him

C. The op specified this is only 7-C versions, so no, CH can't drop anything higher than that.

Edit: And BTW, that would only grant him a tie, as he can't survive a 100 kt bomb (maximun allowed for this fight).

 

[Keeweed]

The combined human should be way more agile and skilled than jack; it has the agility of 157 billion humans (including skydivers and astronauts meaning it has experience in the sky) and knows everything marital arts by the back of its hand plus it knows everything about every human to ever exist it would know what jack's doing from a mile away atleast.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Funny thing is, you guys aren't even metioning actual things the CH can do to win. Like for example, as they are fighting in NY per SBA, using meat shields to gain an advantage.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

A Tsar Bomba airstrike also requires prep time, which CH does not have here. (As per SBA)

Unless you think the Human can simply run off, acquire a means of contacting the Russian government from all the way in Central Park (which is the SBA starting location), patch himself in to the branch which controls nuclear weapons, send them the coordinates to Jack's exact location in Central Park, and have a plane fly the bomb from Russia all the way to the U.S., all while Jack is on his tail. And without attracting the attention of the U.S. government in doing all of that.

@Keeweed: No human in history is trained to fight in midair the way Jack can, nor is there any human in history who can run up the side of a cliff. There are no humans who can one-handedly deflect automatic machinegun fire with pinpoint accuracy, either.

 

[Keeweed]

Funny thing is, you guys aren't even metioning actual things the CH can do to win. Like for example, as they are fighting in NY per SBA, using meat shields to gain an advantage.

Most humans have empathy to other humans so it most likely won't do that.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Honestly Jack's tier is questionable at best. He is in DESPERATE need of calcs. It seems like most of the feats he is "At least 7-C" for are like City Block at best. This isn't input in the fight, as he is 7-C for this, but I may make some calcs and a revision soon.

Also I still give this to CH. CH is absurdly skilled and intelligent. He literally knows everything about every martial art and weapon in history, has he made and perfected their usage, but is also bearing a mind capable of planning out millions of possible strategies, cross-referencing them with the greatest tacticians and military leaders of all time, and then applying that to his skill.

Without hax or an absolutely massive AP advantage, CH is downright unbeatable.

 

[Keeweed]

An airstrike also requires prep time, which CH does not have here. (As per SBA)

Unless you think the Human can simply run off, acquire a means of contacting the Russian government from all the way in Central Park (which is the SBA starting location), patch himself in to the branch which controls nuclear weapons, send the coordinates to Jack's exact location in Central Park and have a plane fly from Russia all the way to the U.S., all while Jack is on his tail.

@Keeweed: No human in history is trained to fight in midair the way Jack can, nor is there any human in history who can run up the side of a cliff. There are no humans who can one-handedly deflect automatic machinegun fire with pinpoint accuracy, either.

1: humans can fight in the air (it's not impossible to punch someone in the air 2: some humans can run up walls and this is 157 billions human put into one

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Most humans have empathy to other humans so it most likely won't do that.

But he is also a tactician and the single best psychologist in history, something he can use to deduce that Jack may be a formidable and capable warrior, but also a good person, which he can exploit.

 

[Keeweed]

But he is also a tactician and the single best psychologist in history, something he can use to deduce that Jack may be a formidable and capable warrior, but also a good person, which he can exploit.

I know it's a great tactician but most of the 157 billion people in the combined human most likely agree with jack that throwing random people into a conflict is not something good to do.

 

[AquaWaifu]

most people also dont want to die and will in desperate situations do ANYTHING to survive