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So this is a CRT attempting to put back Lavos to tier 1, though this is more of a 'asking for an input' type of CRT but these are the arguments I'm gonna put.
Special thanks to @StrymULTRA for helping me out in this revision.
Cosmology
The Multiverse:
First of all, the Chrono Verse i.e Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Radical Dreamers. Operates on something called the Many World Interpretation Theory. It is said that there's a universe for each observers and that the amount of universes are equivalent to the amount of observers.
It begins at 1:34. Enhasa essentially said that there are a 2-B amount of universes. The nature of the multiverse is also elaborated futher on Chrono Cross, where it is said that the same people or life forms can exist within different space times.
But it doesn't stop there, because the multiverse is way bigger than that. But first we need to talk about 'dreams'.
In the same video above, right here. There's an NPC that said:
What's he essentially saying is that there's a world inside of him, inside his dreams and that the world is encompassed by dreams. Now to solidify this, there is a statement from the retranslated version where the NPC said this:
Which is a more blatant statement for dreams encompassing the universe.
But the universes contain more than that, because we have the Queen of Zeal stating that there are multiple temporal dimensions.
Begins at 35:10. Now, I know that the Queen doesn't state anything about temporal dimensions and all. Well, that's because it's stated in the retranslation of Chrono Trigger. In it, we have this.
This explains why the Black Omen (or the Black Dream) is capable of being accessed throughout various ages. Except the prehistoric age because Lavos first appeared there and mess time and space up.
So the singular universe should be Low 2-C or Low 1-C (5D) due to it containing multiple temporal dimensions.
And the multiverse is 2-A or Low 1-C (5D).
Sea of Zurvan:
In one of the endings for Radical Dreamers. Kid fall into a sea, a very interesting sea...
Begins at 21:34. In this ending, we see that Kid fall into a sea where-quoting her "The world drifts and time is a blur..." this sea is stated to be endless in size. She described this place is where "Time begins and ends.... This is where all life found peace". She then continues and see...something.
She saw herself as a baby with her mother, and...countless worlds overlapping with infinite dreams plays out.
"If only I could free myself of all my burdens and sleep here... In this sea of dreams..."
To sum up what happened, Kid fall into this sea that encompassed all of reality and the spaces between them, a bigger space than the infinite of universes in existence. To support this, in the good ending of Chrono Cross after you beat Lavos and freed Schala we got this:
Starts at 13:34. Schala, a reliable source since she's was once with Lavos that eats dimensions or dreams. State that perhaps everything is only a dream, meaning that dreams are indeed what encompassed the universes at is bigger than it. Moving on she then states that everything (dreams) will return to the sea, this sea is called Zurvan. The Sea of Dreams, Zurvan.
So with all of that, we say that the Sea of Zurvan is a space bigger than the infinite universes, with it being described as endless. This should mean that the Sea of Zurvan is a higher 2-A, or even a 6D space, since it encompassed the universes that posses multiple temporal dimensions. And based on several CRT I've read before, having a bigger than 2-A space and encompassing the spaces between them has to be higher dimensional.
The Darkness Beyond Time:
In post end game for Chrono Trigger, there's an enemy, an enemy of great power that rises from the borders of time. A fearsome presence that Crono and friends will fought after going through the Dimensional Vortex and achieving a great power. Before fighting this fearsome presence, we see Magus. Whether it's the Magus of our world or other is something we don't know. He then explained where are we. He described this place as "Where Lavos is no more. This is the future where we've defeated him." He then said that a foe has arisen here, in this endless expanse that is Time's Eclipse.
We then followed him, to see a familiar face, actually two. Lavos and...Schala? This will continue on Chrono Cross, but we will end it here for now.
In Chrono Cross. After defeating the Dragon God...to be specific the avatar of the Time Devourer (Lavos). Belthasar appeared and gives us some interesting statements:
Begins at 1:26:12. Belthasar stated that the Dragon God is only a 'quasi-existent', a temporary form that the real Dragon God uses in order in to appear in this world. But the real Dragon God was consumed by Lavos in the other side of the dimensional darkness. This place is then described as the place where time become divided.
Belthasar then continued, he said that Lavos will consume everything, every space-time if he's left to become strong enough to consume everything in the verse, which would include the Chrono Cross. In order to stop this, Belthasar then gave an item to Serge, the legendary Chrono Trigger (or the Time Egg in this case), a device that transcend time and space.
That place, is also described to have no beginning and no end.
So in short, The Darkness of Time is a place of nothingness that exist beyond the the multiverse and the Sea of Zurvan. Since Lavos is capable of devouring all of existence from that place, we can conclude that it exist beyond anything in creation, if Lavos manages to devour all of space-time then the world will turn into that.
TL;DR for the Cosmology:
The universe: Low 2-C or Low 1-C (5D)
The multiverse: 2-A or Low 1-C (5D)
The Sea of Zurvan: Low 1-C (5D/6D)
The Darkness Beyond Time: Low 1-C (6D) or 1-C (7D)
Who Scales?
You know, I don't wanna tackle this right now since this thread is mainly focusing on the cosmology and making Lavos back to tier 1. But we're just gonna spit out the obvious.
Those who have different opinion might express them in the comments.
Thank you for reading this far.
So this is a CRT attempting to put back Lavos to tier 1, though this is more of a 'asking for an input' type of CRT but these are the arguments I'm gonna put.
Special thanks to @StrymULTRA for helping me out in this revision.
Cosmology
The Multiverse:
First of all, the Chrono Verse i.e Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Radical Dreamers. Operates on something called the Many World Interpretation Theory. It is said that there's a universe for each observers and that the amount of universes are equivalent to the amount of observers.
It begins at 1:34. Enhasa essentially said that there are a 2-B amount of universes. The nature of the multiverse is also elaborated futher on Chrono Cross, where it is said that the same people or life forms can exist within different space times.
But it doesn't stop there, because the multiverse is way bigger than that. But first we need to talk about 'dreams'.
In the same video above, right here. There's an NPC that said:
Zzz...zzz....
Truths exist in dreams.
The world exists in me.
Zzz...
What's he essentially saying is that there's a world inside of him, inside his dreams and that the world is encompassed by dreams. Now to solidify this, there is a statement from the retranslated version where the NPC said this:
Zzz, zzz.
It is within dreams that there is reality.
It is within me that there is the universe
Which is a more blatant statement for dreams encompassing the universe.
But the universes contain more than that, because we have the Queen of Zeal stating that there are multiple temporal dimensions.
Begins at 35:10. Now, I know that the Queen doesn't state anything about temporal dimensions and all. Well, that's because it's stated in the retranslation of Chrono Trigger. In it, we have this.
This Black Dream flows across all temporal dimensions
While waiting for that time when Lavos-sama will awaken...
This explains why the Black Omen (or the Black Dream) is capable of being accessed throughout various ages. Except the prehistoric age because Lavos first appeared there and mess time and space up.
So the singular universe should be Low 2-C or Low 1-C (5D) due to it containing multiple temporal dimensions.
And the multiverse is 2-A or Low 1-C (5D).
Sea of Zurvan:
In one of the endings for Radical Dreamers. Kid fall into a sea, a very interesting sea...
Begins at 21:34. In this ending, we see that Kid fall into a sea where-quoting her "The world drifts and time is a blur..." this sea is stated to be endless in size. She described this place is where "Time begins and ends.... This is where all life found peace". She then continues and see...something.
She saw herself as a baby with her mother, and...countless worlds overlapping with infinite dreams plays out.
"If only I could free myself of all my burdens and sleep here... In this sea of dreams..."
To sum up what happened, Kid fall into this sea that encompassed all of reality and the spaces between them, a bigger space than the infinite of universes in existence. To support this, in the good ending of Chrono Cross after you beat Lavos and freed Schala we got this:
Starts at 13:34. Schala, a reliable source since she's was once with Lavos that eats dimensions or dreams. State that perhaps everything is only a dream, meaning that dreams are indeed what encompassed the universes at is bigger than it. Moving on she then states that everything (dreams) will return to the sea, this sea is called Zurvan. The Sea of Dreams, Zurvan.
So with all of that, we say that the Sea of Zurvan is a space bigger than the infinite universes, with it being described as endless. This should mean that the Sea of Zurvan is a higher 2-A, or even a 6D space, since it encompassed the universes that posses multiple temporal dimensions. And based on several CRT I've read before, having a bigger than 2-A space and encompassing the spaces between them has to be higher dimensional.
The Darkness Beyond Time:
In post end game for Chrono Trigger, there's an enemy, an enemy of great power that rises from the borders of time. A fearsome presence that Crono and friends will fought after going through the Dimensional Vortex and achieving a great power. Before fighting this fearsome presence, we see Magus. Whether it's the Magus of our world or other is something we don't know. He then explained where are we. He described this place as "Where Lavos is no more. This is the future where we've defeated him." He then said that a foe has arisen here, in this endless expanse that is Time's Eclipse.
We then followed him, to see a familiar face, actually two. Lavos and...Schala? This will continue on Chrono Cross, but we will end it here for now.
In Chrono Cross. After defeating the Dragon God...to be specific the avatar of the Time Devourer (Lavos). Belthasar appeared and gives us some interesting statements:
Begins at 1:26:12. Belthasar stated that the Dragon God is only a 'quasi-existent', a temporary form that the real Dragon God uses in order in to appear in this world. But the real Dragon God was consumed by Lavos in the other side of the dimensional darkness. This place is then described as the place where time become divided.
Belthasar then continued, he said that Lavos will consume everything, every space-time if he's left to become strong enough to consume everything in the verse, which would include the Chrono Cross. In order to stop this, Belthasar then gave an item to Serge, the legendary Chrono Trigger (or the Time Egg in this case), a device that transcend time and space.
That place, is also described to have no beginning and no end.
So in short, The Darkness of Time is a place of nothingness that exist beyond the the multiverse and the Sea of Zurvan. Since Lavos is capable of devouring all of existence from that place, we can conclude that it exist beyond anything in creation, if Lavos manages to devour all of space-time then the world will turn into that.
TL;DR for the Cosmology:
The universe: Low 2-C or Low 1-C (5D)
The multiverse: 2-A or Low 1-C (5D)
The Sea of Zurvan: Low 1-C (5D/6D)
The Darkness Beyond Time: Low 1-C (6D) or 1-C (7D)
Who Scales?
You know, I don't wanna tackle this right now since this thread is mainly focusing on the cosmology and making Lavos back to tier 1. But we're just gonna spit out the obvious.
- Lavos. All of his keys from Dream Devourer and onwards.
- Serge. His base key and with the Chrono Cross. Serge is capable of forcing Lavos back to retreat to somewhere unknown in the Bad Ending. And with the Chrono Cross he should be higher.
Those who have different opinion might express them in the comments.
Thank you for reading this far.
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