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if there is a "negative number" tier. -1 transcends 0 as 0 transcends H1A. I think Blue and white series -2.
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Chinaman Discussion Thread
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yeah, it's called baselineif there is a "negative number" tier. -1 transcends 0 as 0 transcends H1A. I think Blue and white series -2.
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Anyway, the cosmology hasn't changed too much from the novel 2. Also, the novel 3 has an interface outside the interface (the interface of novel 1 is only in one True Dimension). Novel 4 have narrative layers, but it all belongs/belongs to the Endless Road
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I known. I mean beyond/above/inacess inaccessible cardinal layer tier 0 above baseline is -1. Anyway, it's just a joke.
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Oh god, Interface in the first cosmology is only part of one true dimension?
What is the order of the cosmological structure of the second novel?
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The second novel has a endless(At least Uncountable Infinity) number of interfaces with R>F differences and Blue and White Realm above it all as it is the N+1th interface for any number of interfaces below it. I remember book 2 saying that even if there are infinity to the power infinity or power set of infinity levels of interfaces, Blue and White realm will always transcend the interfaces being in a higher ordinal level by definition.
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But the world doesn't have any signs of the presence of Yellow Emperor so I say that Yan(Fire) Emperor came before Black Emperor.
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hmm if that's the case, what kind of structure is there above the blue and white world?
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Sanqing say in book 3 that these all make up the interface the true Author sees and Bai and Lan are beyond that in their infinite journey.
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It's interfaces all the way up until we get to the true author or wherever Lan and Bai have reached in their endless journey.
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Does this sand-producing statue get resistance to HGR negation
Anomalies be like that, it is what it is.
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Mhm
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yeahh just a thought
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As I understand it, the interface is just how we perceive the world. That is, anywhere with Interface, True dimenison, Blue Moon House (Cang Yue House). Even the narrative layer at endless road have their own Interface.
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The reason, I told Novel 1 cosmology are all in one True dimension. Because at the end of the story Lan Mu said that thanks to the Editor he climbed to the highest point to establish “Infinite True Dimensions),”blue and white world” and Bai ge also said he came from “Non-Human True Dimension” and Lan Mu almost said so. That is, Cosmology Novel 1 is at least under Cang Yue House aka highest point
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那神圣几何体乃是一种数学集合的化身承受力度堪称无限
Now if I have Scan Large Cardinal, these 5-6D "Mathematical Geometry Gods" buff up to sre multiverse. Punch scp, wod is fun But there's a Julia set with a few other sets. Can't buff up. Novel 4 is so strong
Now if I have Scan Large Cardinal, these 5-6D "Mathematical Geometry Gods" buff up to sre multiverse. Punch scp, wod is fun
But there's a Julia set with a few other sets. Can't buff up. Novel 4 is so strong
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And I hate the Black Emperor. True to the sus character, he has a passive hax on the same level (dimension/interface/narrative layer) supreme. If it's a 1v1 fight with the same layer, he's the strongest
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The author is into math drugs tbh
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if we use "existence equal" and put him against 3812, can he still win?
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No, because it seems his hax only works with same Layer. If it is a higher layer, he has to shoot to that position, not passive like when on the same layer. If 3812 wipes him out before he can shoot, he loses.
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Anyway, the only way to win him is to beat him from a higher layer. Or you are omniscient, to arrange a plan to trick him into going down the same layer, Black Emperor arbitrarily up and down the layer like going to the market, wait for him to go down to the lower layer to kill.
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SCP 3812 has a passive infinite transcend layer ability which makes it difficult to deal with when we place characters with the same level of existence
3812 only needs to transcend the plane and automatically R>F to its opponent, Yeah he can only transcend 1A plane and can't exceed H1A (welp physical reality djaktus :v)
But indeed he is a character that is difficult to fight if you use the rule of equal existence
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In fact, just need to shoot the black emperor. As long as you don't kill in time. Anyway scp 3812 is pretty dumb
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By the way, how strong is his passive hax and does his ability to go to the higher plane take time?
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Black Emperor shoots from 2A to tier 0 though. Go straight to Blue and white World. As long as he has a position, he can get there.
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passive hax, as long as it's on the same layer, that person will be below him. to be more precise, the “Depth of Information” would be below him.
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In general, any Main character has a weakness. Bai Ge needs to know (and energy, but that weakness is removed when he has infinite energy) in order to do - He is omnipotent but not omniscient. Black Emperor needs a point of arrival to shoot (his skill is just always hit), he lacks a lot of hax, but when he steals Bai ge's body an omnipotent (or at least all abilities ) up to the point doesn't matter even if he defines shooting(Information shot, concept shot,etc). Yellow Emperor is omniscient, just omniscient nothing else, he uses omniscience to do everything (after all, in his omniscience he never fails)
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Omnipotent but not omniscient is just contradiction, lol.
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Is R/F or not. Because “depth of information” is not just R/f diff. The same layer can also compare the depth (Ex: Absolute spear vs Absolute shield, whoever has a deeper "depth of information" wins)
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Logic with that level is unimportant. But you can understand all-abilities as well. He can freely create any ability/characteristics he wants.
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Omnipotent by nature has omniscience. Either way, you are right, logic does not exist in that level since it is paradoxical in all aspects.
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He is the representative of all the information in the Universe in his head (Brain cave I don't know what that word translates to English). Information can express logic, negative logic, non-logic, etc. Express all. And he is the owner of the Integrated Information System Aka Dao aka God aka Anything that represents the supreme being. ah the best word is probably this one: “太一” from novel 3-4 they used that word all the time
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H1A
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But I don't know if it's 1-2 layers above H1A baseline or just bigger in AP.
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1Dimension=1A aka Time-space dimension=1A
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Time-space dimensions<Dimension<OU
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The Multiverse (2-A); The Multiverse is a collection of Infinite Universes.
Dimensional Space-Times (Baseline 1-A, tens of thousands of layers into High 1-A); Higher-Dimensional Space-Times have additional spatial coordinates compared to those of lower dimensions and have superiority over lower dimensions, including stuff like embedding, being more geometrically complex, being made of infinite wholes, viewing lower dimensions as singularities, etc. Time acts as +1 temporal dimension to all the different dimensions of space. But, unlike the dimensions of our Tiering System which have a gap of uncountable infinity between them, the verse here has an Inaccessible Gap between dimensions.
Following the verses dimensional system here is an example; Imagine you are trapped in the 6th Dimension and want to reach the 7th. So you create the concept of dimensions within the 6th dimension, and then you create higher dimensions above it and then transcend those dimensions. Even with all of that, you will still never be able to reach the 7th Dimension. Another example used in verse is this; Imagine the 6th Dimension is a box, and the 7th Dimension is a Larger Box encompassing it. Adding dimensions to the 6th Dimension is creating more boxes around it, each enveloping the last. However, those dimensions will still never be able to reach the 7th Dimension's Box.
And if that's not enough to prove inaccessibility, there is a direct showing that Uncountable Infinity is not enough to reach a higher dimension. This was when the MC got trapped in a lower dimension, he created a Timeline within sed dimension. It should be noted a single Timeline generates, not just infinite other Timelines, but an endless (Infinity^Infinity^Infinity -->)^(Infinity^Infinity^Infinity -->) recursion of timelines. Yet still, the MC could not access a single higher dimension from the one he was trapped in. The same goes for other methods, such as compressing lower dimensions infinitely, etc.
Dimensions (Even higher into High 1-A); Dimensions are considered to be white sheets of paper, they are infinite and have infinite depth with dimensional universes just being stains akin to dots on their surface.
Omnipotent Universes (Even higher into High 1-A); These universes contain all dimensions and the universes within them as well.
Timelines (Even Higher into High 1-A); Each Omnipotent Universes is a part of a Timeline, and Timelines are derived from possibilities. For example, if the possibility of you eating bread today existed and you decided not to, that resulted in the creation of an entire Timeline and Omnipotent Universe where you did eat that bread. Because of this, every action and every choice that adds to history also generates endless possibilities, an example of this being Earth, which by itself generates endless possibilities and therefore endless timelines of which there is already an Infinite amount.
On top of this Timelines follow a sequence of superimposing which is explained in verse as such (What I say below is the exact explanation from the novel though explained a bit more clearly).
Every action/choice is a variable, each variable has N Possibilities, and we have already established N means Infinite/Endless. When two of these variables exist they superimpose one another becoming N to the power of N (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines).
Furthermore, N Variables with N representing all actions/choices of which there would be an Infinite amount due to the existence of the multiverse, are then superimposed by N Variables, resulting in as you can imagine (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines---> Infinitely/Endlessly) to the power of (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines---> Infinitely/Endlessly).
And this is just a single Timeline, this would be happening in each of the Infinite Timelines including the ones being created through this superimposition resulting in something that the novel states is, impossible to calculate.
The Box (Even Higher into High 1-A); The Box contains everything up to this point, the pan-timelines, and everything within them such as their Omnipotent Universes.
The Blue and White World (Even Higher into High 1-A); The Blue and White World is an indescribable Space-Time that can only be reached by going beyond and transcending The Box. It is a boundless realm beyond dimensions and is also a place where everything is infinite. This ranges from the infinite transmission to infinite speed of light, infinite distance, and even infinite speed. Here one can see everything within The Box, and know everything without needing to flip through or search. It is a place of convenience.
The Interface (Arbitrarily into High 1-A); Everything exists within the Interface, which is the Author's Imagination and Fantasy, it is the novel itself. Even if one transcended the Blue and White World to a higher realm, or created infinite higher realms each transcending one another, they would still exist within the interface. In fact, the gap between the Interface and what is inside of it is considered to be a greater gap than that between dimensions, or even if a higher being saw everything up to this point as a painting that they were free to paint on.
It's stated that the Interface itself is unexplainable, and as long as you are within it you will never understand what it is. Even when Lan Mu (The MC) who transcended beyond the Interface to reach "Reality" realized after killing the "Author" he was simply in a false reality. In this false reality, he gained control of the Interface/Novel of the False Author he had killed, allowing him to control the interface and false reality in which another Lan Mu was trapped within. And that lower Lan Mu in turn did the same to yet another Lan Mu resulting in a recursion of Interfaces/Novels within Novels.
Dimensional Space-Times (Baseline 1-A, tens of thousands of layers into High 1-A); Higher-Dimensional Space-Times have additional spatial coordinates compared to those of lower dimensions and have superiority over lower dimensions, including stuff like embedding, being more geometrically complex, being made of infinite wholes, viewing lower dimensions as singularities, etc. Time acts as +1 temporal dimension to all the different dimensions of space. But, unlike the dimensions of our Tiering System which have a gap of uncountable infinity between them, the verse here has an Inaccessible Gap between dimensions.
Following the verses dimensional system here is an example; Imagine you are trapped in the 6th Dimension and want to reach the 7th. So you create the concept of dimensions within the 6th dimension, and then you create higher dimensions above it and then transcend those dimensions. Even with all of that, you will still never be able to reach the 7th Dimension. Another example used in verse is this; Imagine the 6th Dimension is a box, and the 7th Dimension is a Larger Box encompassing it. Adding dimensions to the 6th Dimension is creating more boxes around it, each enveloping the last. However, those dimensions will still never be able to reach the 7th Dimension's Box.
And if that's not enough to prove inaccessibility, there is a direct showing that Uncountable Infinity is not enough to reach a higher dimension. This was when the MC got trapped in a lower dimension, he created a Timeline within sed dimension. It should be noted a single Timeline generates, not just infinite other Timelines, but an endless (Infinity^Infinity^Infinity -->)^(Infinity^Infinity^Infinity -->) recursion of timelines. Yet still, the MC could not access a single higher dimension from the one he was trapped in. The same goes for other methods, such as compressing lower dimensions infinitely, etc.
Dimensions (Even higher into High 1-A); Dimensions are considered to be white sheets of paper, they are infinite and have infinite depth with dimensional universes just being stains akin to dots on their surface.
Omnipotent Universes (Even higher into High 1-A); These universes contain all dimensions and the universes within them as well.
Timelines (Even Higher into High 1-A); Each Omnipotent Universes is a part of a Timeline, and Timelines are derived from possibilities. For example, if the possibility of you eating bread today existed and you decided not to, that resulted in the creation of an entire Timeline and Omnipotent Universe where you did eat that bread. Because of this, every action and every choice that adds to history also generates endless possibilities, an example of this being Earth, which by itself generates endless possibilities and therefore endless timelines of which there is already an Infinite amount.
On top of this Timelines follow a sequence of superimposing which is explained in verse as such (What I say below is the exact explanation from the novel though explained a bit more clearly).
Every action/choice is a variable, each variable has N Possibilities, and we have already established N means Infinite/Endless. When two of these variables exist they superimpose one another becoming N to the power of N (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines).
Furthermore, N Variables with N representing all actions/choices of which there would be an Infinite amount due to the existence of the multiverse, are then superimposed by N Variables, resulting in as you can imagine (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines---> Infinitely/Endlessly) to the power of (Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines^Infinite High 1-A Timelines---> Infinitely/Endlessly).
And this is just a single Timeline, this would be happening in each of the Infinite Timelines including the ones being created through this superimposition resulting in something that the novel states is, impossible to calculate.
The Box (Even Higher into High 1-A); The Box contains everything up to this point, the pan-timelines, and everything within them such as their Omnipotent Universes.
The Blue and White World (Even Higher into High 1-A); The Blue and White World is an indescribable Space-Time that can only be reached by going beyond and transcending The Box. It is a boundless realm beyond dimensions and is also a place where everything is infinite. This ranges from the infinite transmission to infinite speed of light, infinite distance, and even infinite speed. Here one can see everything within The Box, and know everything without needing to flip through or search. It is a place of convenience.
The Interface (Arbitrarily into High 1-A); Everything exists within the Interface, which is the Author's Imagination and Fantasy, it is the novel itself. Even if one transcended the Blue and White World to a higher realm, or created infinite higher realms each transcending one another, they would still exist within the interface. In fact, the gap between the Interface and what is inside of it is considered to be a greater gap than that between dimensions, or even if a higher being saw everything up to this point as a painting that they were free to paint on.
It's stated that the Interface itself is unexplainable, and as long as you are within it you will never understand what it is. Even when Lan Mu (The MC) who transcended beyond the Interface to reach "Reality" realized after killing the "Author" he was simply in a false reality. In this false reality, he gained control of the Interface/Novel of the False Author he had killed, allowing him to control the interface and false reality in which another Lan Mu was trapped within. And that lower Lan Mu in turn did the same to yet another Lan Mu resulting in a recursion of Interfaces/Novels within Novels.
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^ Blue and white world in the up comment is a fake. Novel 1 Blue and white world=The land of light only. From Novel 2 The Blue and white World is the pinnacle of the verse. Novel 4 also has Blue and white number 1,2,3,….<<True Blue and white world(aka Blue and white world Novel 2)
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Shouldn't Bai Ge have the same hax as Black Emperor since he had a absolute hit ability he elevated to True Absolute Hit with his Infinite Energy Hax.
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