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Charlemagne's Joeyuse Ordre Downgrade
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I gueds this can be applied now
Can someone do the change?
Can someone do the change?
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I think Crimson should evaluate this, maybe he has some good input
Honestly, the downgrade based on Gawain's durability inconsistency is too weak, because Gawain is also able to withstand VS which is considered to be a low 1-C attack
Honestly, the downgrade based on Gawain's durability inconsistency is too weak, because Gawain is also able to withstand VS which is considered to be a low 1-C attack
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And that Gawin is leagues above Charlemagne's paygrade
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And thats where the problem come with, if Gawain tanked it then his durability should be upgraded to Low 1-C
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And no, we downgraded it not because Gawain tanked it but from the clash between JO and VS and what Clover said are the best we get here
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Gawain tanked Vasavi in EX Link iirc, he should be upgraded aswell
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Is he under certain circuminates like Ruler Artoria? If not then that should be counted as outlier
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Also i'm not want to wait for Crimson ever since his promised massive Nasuverse CRT aren't come despite he talked to post it before and before
Basically a distrust
Basically a distrust
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Didn't you basically said that Gawain Dura should be upgraded?
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Yeah but i just realize it doesn't make sense neither
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So again, unless he was in under circuminates, him tanked VS should be treated as outlier
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Although, Karna isn't the strongest dude in the Game neither, Rex Magnus fairly outclasses him tho.
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So basically upgrading Rex Magnus to Low 1-C and everyone scaled to him thus breaking the power scaling? Heck no
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Karna is Low 1-C, right?....
Look, besides Arjuna (and most likely Gilgamesh), and maybe Altera, no one is stronger than him in the game.
And Rex Magnus was clearly portrayed as stronger on multiple occasions.
Thus he should scale above the latter.
Although, I may be delearing talking about that tho.
Anyways, without delearing, why do you think Gawain shouldn't have that durability?
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^Actually just ignore what i said above because that was unnecessary to say
Still tho, upgrading Gawain durability to tier 1 because he tanked VS isn't a good idea, either thats an outlier or Gawain is under a certain circuminates
Still tho, upgrading Gawain durability to tier 1 because he tanked VS isn't a good idea, either thats an outlier or Gawain is under a certain circuminates
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No? Low 1-C is only for VS, outside that he has normal stats
Breaking the power scaling, thats from what i get
Well why not post the evidence about him tanked VS?
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Well in F/Extella Link characters can debuff and Buff theirselves.
Normally, it's due to mana points, which increases the user's power absurdly.
Another way of increasing your power is by "Artoria's morale"
There is a Extra mission where you have to defeat her and with that spell, she increases drastically the user's power.
So most likely Gawain was amped that moment
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Anyways without delearing, I already agreed that Charlemagne's NP should be downgraded tho.
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Yeah, i already said that the issue about Gawain durability should talked in different thread
Anyway this should applied and closed
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Seems like he has Low 1-C striking and Dura aswell.
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Does it? I just checked Karna page and it only said "Island level" in his striking strength.....unless you mixed his base and super karna striking strength
As for durability that comes from his armor
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Striking Strength: Island Class | Low Complex Multiversal, possibly Complex Multiversal
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Yeah, that "Low complex multiversal, possibly complex multiversal" striking strength is for Super Karna
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You do realise that gather scans, creating arguments and stuff, even for the simplest things require a lot of time, right? And add in irl stuff such as work and school, social life plus other relevant stuff... Taking all that into account, you really shouldn't start "distrusting" people simply because they said a CRT will happen - especially this big - but hasn't happened yet, seems pretty childish.
Even if he has all the evidence and argument, he probably is waiting for a proper time. Don't see where distrust stuff comes from.
But in any case, if he doesn't reply within few more days or even less, you can apply the stuff.
Will tag him again just as a reminder in case he is interested @CrimsonStarFallen
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I waited the CRT for like more than a years, he also promised to published it a lot but never realized it, yeah i know the points you said are the major factors, it just that i'm tired waiting at this point (like a rotten soul....okay that sound cliche lel)
Probably should use a better word instead distrust but you get the point
EDIT: Another major reason why i'm so impatient and now so tired to the deepest because without the massive CRT, the servants that still doesn't have the profiles are going to be hold indefinitely
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Anyway if he truly come then i'm very sorry if my comment above are offending you @CrimsonStarFallen
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Still, there's no reason to be in such a rush to apply a CRT
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No respond from Crimson yet, guess this can be applied now
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What will be the new rating?
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I'd rather call Paul_Frank first than apply now. He's good at scaling.
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I almost forgot about Paul
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@TrueKingOfHeroes I swear if you still hold this CRT after Paul gave his input i'm going to doxxing you
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I agree with it being treated as an Outlier tbh, im guessing it goes it Low 6-B but ill let others discuss that more in depth.
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Saying "VS overpowers the NP in the end so the other NP, despite clashing for some time, can't scale" is a weak argument tbh
However the fact that Gawain apparently tanks the NP later would make it being low 1-C less consistentor just an outlier for Gawain's durability
Since I don't think Charlie's NP has any feats above low 6-B besides the VS clash though, it probably is safe to downgrade it to low 6-B and call the VS clash an outlier, rather than keep it, unless someone finds another occasion of him hurting a low 1-C/blocking another low 1-C attack
However the fact that Gawain apparently tanks the NP later would make it being low 1-C less consistent
Since I don't think Charlie's NP has any feats above low 6-B besides the VS clash though, it probably is safe to downgrade it to low 6-B and call the VS clash an outlier, rather than keep it, unless someone finds another occasion of him hurting a low 1-C/blocking another low 1-C attack
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Well i tried my best to explain it lel
Probably yeah
Nice then
Can you give the new justification for Low 6-B JO? I'm not good at wording it
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