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What are you looking for? Be specific, not vague.Okay that's cool and all, but again, are those dimensions infinitely superior to one another?
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What are you looking for? Be specific, not vague.Okay that's cool and all, but again, are those dimensions infinitely superior to one another?
How exactly is what I asked vague? Im asking if these higher dimensions you claim to be are infinitely superior to each other. As in 5-D being infinitely > 4-D and so on.
Im not specifically asking for wording, im asking for evidence that proves they're infinitely superior. Whether its wording, context, whatever proves it.
Well, you still do for dimensional hierarchies and differences but in the case of a higher plane or seeing a lower being as fiction, you just need to prove the qualitative superiority is as implied.You legit don't need emphasis on infinitely superior.
Ok but in this case you don't need tooWell, you still do for dimensional hierarchies and differences but in the case of a higher plane or seeing a lower being as fiction, you just need to prove the qualitative superiority is as implied.
From what I recall on our standards, it does, since being 5-D wouldn’t mean anything without being proven to be infinitely beyond 4-D.Pretty sure a higher plane and being beyond one's comprehension qualifies enough. The emphasis on being infinitely superior is more for dimensional differences, which isn't the case here.
Well yeah, you are right about that. Being 5-dimensional without context would need proof that the dimensions are large and non-trivial. On that we agree.From what I recall on our standards, it does, since being 5-D wouldn’t mean anything without being proven to be infinitely beyond 4-D.
But I’ll let Ultima clear that up when he comes to this.
This... has been debunked over and over that you don't need a verse to be described on such level in order to bypass Tier 2 when it comes with "transcending time and space" as in the context. I can name a lot of verses which don't have said reality-fiction difference or being described as infinitely transcendence but they do in fact rated as Tier 1, our standards are not that strict. Is this seriously the only argument left to oppose the upgrade? Please read the Tiering System FAQ.The word "transcendence" is not enough. Even having words like "layers" indicating some form of hierarchy in dimensions is not enough. It has to infinitely transcend a 4-D Space time in order to qualify. Based on my understanding a space could transcend a 4-D space by "millions of times" and still not qualify. 4.5 D is still not 5-D, etc, etc. From my understanding, if you have 4-D on a number line then the distance to 5-D would be located infinitely farther down the line. Which is why the feat must be described or shown to be on such a level (the most common form being outright statements of the spaces dimensionality or the Reality-Fiction dynamic).
Q: What tier is transcending space and time?A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. It is perfectly possible for such a statement to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, it's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions. The answer may vary depending on this factor. It should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature. |
No more Ultimate Madoka vs Archie Sonic...
No more Ultimate Madoka vs Archie Sonic...
Why didn't Sonic get solid Low 1-C?He is still keeping his 2-A rating. He is getting 2-A, Likely Low 1-C while Chaos Gods are getting solid Low 1-C
No more Ultimate Madoka vs Archie Sonic...
Why can't he be L1-C? His hax should be a solid L1-C at leastHe is still keeping his 2-A rating. He is getting 2-A, Likely Low 1-C while Chaos Gods are getting solid Low 1-C
Sonic solos l0l1s now C:<
He solos the verse now
Cause it would seem weird since Sonic consistent feats is mostly Multiversal+ and the Low Complex rating is because he fought Mammoth Mougal who killed the Ancient Walkers tho I don't think he actually fought Mammoth Mogal when he became one with the Chaos Force (The one that Titan Tails fought) lmao Mogal killing the Ancient Walker is possibly a case of PIS or Outliner and his rewriting should only be via hax, personally think Low Complex Multiversal in range seems fitting imo and that is not from the fact that Archie Super Forms struggled against Master Emerald Mogul who at best can destroy an Infinite Multiverse.Why didn't Sonic get solid Low 1-C?
Why isn't Sonic getting a solid Low 1-C rating?
Thoughts on this?Cause it would seem weird since Sonic consistent feats is mostly Multiversal+ and the Low Complex rating is because he fought Mammoth Mougal who killed the Ancient Walkers tho I don't think he actually fought Mammoth Mogal when he became one with the Chaos Force (The one that Titan Tails fought) lmao Mogal killing the Ancient Walker is possibly a case of PIS or Outliner and his rewriting should only be via hax, personally think Low Complex Multiversal in range seems fitting imo and that is not from the fact that Archie Super Forms struggled against Master Emerald Mogul who at best can destroy an Infinite Multiverse.
Either possibly or just Low 1-C in range seems better.
Well, Cal agreed, but it's better to wait for ultimaPeople shouldn’t get their hopes up until Ultima and other staff give this the seal of approval.
Cause it would seem weird since Sonic consistent feats is mostly Multiversal+ and the Low Complex rating is because he fought Mammoth Mougal who killed the Ancient Walkers tho I don't think he actually fought Mammoth Mogal when he became one with the Chaos Force (The one that Titan Tails fought) lmao Mogal killing the Ancient Walker is possibly a case of PIS or Outliner and his rewriting should only be via hax, personally think Low Complex Multiversal in range seems fitting imo and that is not from the fact that Archie Super Forms struggled against Master Emerald Mogul who at best can destroy an Infinite Multiverse.
Was Master Mogul when he was wounding the Ancient Walkers was in his tenures or smth or was it just in base?You are getting some facts wrong there, buddy, like Mogul being the one who dealt the killing blow to the Ancient Walkers, which is wrong.
Or forgetting the fact Master Mogul 1st tenure downscales from the Master Emerald, as Master Mogul is made up of 11 Emeralds, and the Master Emerald is made up of 13 Emeralds.
Sort of matters for Super Sonic. Sort of. The Super Sonic transformation at that time was using the Power Rings to absorb Master Mogul's Energy Blasts to transform.
Well, his fate shenanigans would be solid low 1-C
Was Master Mogul when he was wounding the Ancient Walkers was in his tenures or smth or was it just in base?
Ah seems fair, I think possibly fits for the Super Forms
No more Ultimate Madoka vs Archie Sonic...
LmfaoPeople shouldn’t get their hopes up until Ultima and other staff give this the seal of approval.
?Lmfao