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Chainsaw vs Flamethrower (CSM vs TF2)

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Would have picked Barem cuz Flamethrowers, but he's High 8-C+ and has 8-A Flamethrowers... oof, and there's a lack of 8-Cs for the verse. tho imma remind myself to make that a Fun and Games matchup

Rules:
-Speed Equalized
-Anything above 8-C (including the 8-C+) is restricted
-"Post-Weakening" Denji is used
-"Robot War" Pyro is used
-Distance is 10 Meters
-Battle takes place in a McDonald's

Denji:
Scales above 807.62 Kilograms of TNT or 0.8076 Tons of TNT, Higher with Chainsaws
Upscales from 1.86 Metric Tons

Pyro: @Bimbitesthedust, @LandonTheGuy, @AppleMaker, @Pyro9278, @Rex_Eckles, @Robo432343, @OrangeFR, @Epiccheev, @Comiphorous
Scales to 0.72 Tons of TNT
Scales to Baseline Class 5 or 1 Metric Ton

Advantages:
Denji: AP and LS Advantage
Pyro: Range Weaponry, and probably the Better Fighter
 
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TF2 does upscale pretty heavily but that's not even the problem. The problem is that MFer is a melee, and Pyro has airblast. Also Pyro's flamethrower works on literal robots and can kill them. So like, automatically Galgali is ******. He can't get into the proper range and Pyro smokes him.

And even if the Flamethrower for some reason didn't work, Pyro has a ******* shotgun it's willing to use..
 
Changed it to Post-Weakening Denji due to him actually having some Range options at the cost of Lower LS
 
Alright so the first thing to consider is that Pyros stats should heavily upscale from the 0.72 tons value so the 1.1x power advantage that dennis has might not be as good but chainsaws do help.

I think Pyro should take this as the most difficult things for Pyro to deal with are Denjis limited instinctive action, Chainsaws and probably regen for most attacks however Pyro should have things that would honestly make his case better, especially since both are often known to run into battle.

Pyro for starters has better cover of range due to his greater supply of weapons to work with and while Denji can regen some weapons, there are some that Denji doesnt really counter such as the fact that pyro can pass his fire resistance via the dura neg from the phlog and the fire resistance negation w gas passer, the ability to potentially reflect Denjis chains if bro tries to wrangle him w the chains, the great bonuses from his canteens and upgrades such as statistics amplification which is just crits and invulnerability for five seconds, etc.

Pyro might take this around mid to high diff due to the small stat gap, Denjis regen and also the fact that Denji is a somewhat capable fighter, though Pyro might be better?
 
DaReaperMan said:
TF2 does upscale pretty heavily but that's not even the problem. The problem is that MFer is a melee, and Pyro has airblast. Also Pyro's flamethrower works on literal robots and can kill them. So like, automatically Galgali is ******. He can't get into the proper range and Pyro smokes him.

And even if the Flamethrower for some reason didn't work, Pyro has a ******* shotgun it's willing to use..
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How much TF2 characters upscale from 8-C?
 
voting pyro, he should be above the 0,72 tons value considering (he was both unscratched and closer to the roof by the explosion that's calculated off) and he's airblast should give him the advantage on range.

Also i think Pyro may surprisingly be more versatile and inteligent considering he's heavly implied to able to build weapons
 
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LandonTheGuy said:
voting pyro, he should be above the 0,72 tons value considering (he was both unscratched and closer to the roof by the explosion that's calculated off) and he's airblast should give him the advantage on range.

Also i think Pyro may surprisingly be more versatile and inteligent considering he's heavly implied to able to build weapons
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Off topic - Pyro does have some really funny intelligence stuff since pretty sure Pyro did manage a company really well and made it really successful

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really crazy motion since im pretty sure it was in a short span of time
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Off topic - Pyro does have some really funny intelligence stuff since pretty sure Pyro did manage a company really well and made it really successful

F6oa_tnWUAAZFoA.jpg:large


really crazy motion since im pretty sure it was in a short span of time
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Mewhile Denji's greatest achivement is tuching boobs.

Joking aside, Denji is more risky when he comes to ideas in battle from what i Remember from chainsaw man, like letting himself almost be decapitated by the katana devil, so i can see him getting burned a lot
 
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also i want to say that pyro has definetly the ap advantage considering he's way above the +0,72 tons of tnt
 
As soon as Pyro reduces Denji's mobility with an attack, Denji will surely not be able to escape no matter how much he regenerates. Pyro will simply incinerate him as many times as necessary, and with the advantage of his range, he should be able to do so without any problems. Voting for Pyro.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
could ammo be a problem at a certain point? (unironically good question)
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That's a good question, since I doubt the fight would last until Pyro was physically exhausted, but it could go on until he ran out of ammo. Even if that happened, Denji would have had to regenerate several times or somehow avoid the vast majority of attacks. And that's assuming he ran out of ammo for his primary weapon, since he'd still have the shotgun.
 
Hmm, does VSBW treats all types of attack as same AP? If yes - I'd say Pyro could continue to slap him after he runs out off ammo
 
LandonTheGuy said:
could ammo be a problem at a certain point? (unironically good question)
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Wym theres probably weak devils that will drop ammo packs

that is a good point, if this goes on for too long it could be a problem, issue is that w the canteens and the weapons n all, Pyro just has the ways to cook Denji
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Alright so the first thing to consider is that Pyros stats should heavily upscale from the 0.72 tons value so the 1.1x power advantage that dennis has might not be as good but chainsaws do help.

I think Pyro should take this as the most difficult things for Pyro to deal with are Denjis limited instinctive action, Chainsaws and probably regen for most attacks however Pyro should have things that would honestly make his case better, especially since both are often known to run into battle.

Pyro for starters has better cover of range due to his greater supply of weapons to work with and while Denji can regen some weapons, there are some that Denji doesnt really counter such as the fact that pyro can pass his fire resistance via the dura neg from the phlog and the fire resistance negation w gas passer, the ability to potentially reflect Denjis chains if bro tries to wrangle him w the chains, the great bonuses from his canteens and upgrades such as statistics amplification which is just crits and invulnerability for five seconds, etc.

Pyro might take this around mid to high diff due to the small stat gap, Denjis regen and also the fact that Denji is a somewhat capable fighter, though Pyro might be better?
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Also Ig I will do this since I normally do, advantages seems to be as follows

Denji

  • 1.12x ap advantage (Albeit its very smaller and decreases due to Pyro upscaling heavily)
  • scales higher w chainsaws
  • has a small LS advantage aswell (1.86 > 1)
  • Limited Instinctive Action could help a bit
  • better regen
  • Duplication is an interesting thing since w alot of blood he can create a clone (albeit he does need to sacrifice alot of blood for it)
  • Chainsaws have decent versatility and can do some rope fuckery
  • supernatural Willpower

Pyro

  • massively better control of range suprisingly via wide assortment of shotguns, flareguns, flamethrowers, etc
  • massively better arsenal via weapons and canteens
  • might be smarter and might be a better fighter than Dennis normally
  • Due to most of Denjis biggest things (regen, duplication) needing blood, Pyro can tax that and make it harder for Denji to rely on stuff like regen with Duplication being harder
  • Also has Regen (Albeit worse than Denji's)
  • can reflect the range chains via airblast
  • gas passer negates resistance to fire and extreme heat, meaning that he can bypass Denjis resistance and harm him even more and since the gas passer looks like a normal ass object Denji might not initially be warned about it due to dousing himself in gasoline to fight before
  • Phlog Dura neg will violate Denji if it gets there which given Denjis fighting style of being aggressive and rushing in, might work well
  • Phlog also somewhat gives invulnerability during activation phase
  • Flight via thermal thruster might help in mobility against acrobatics
  • Canteens give Pyro way better control such as momentary invulnerability, activation of crits,
  • Third Degrees matter manip might also **** w Denji
  • Random Crits
These are the advantages that I see so far
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Pyro

  • might be smarter and might be a better fighter than Dennis normally
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In previous discussions, I saw it mentioned that Denji has very good combat skills. Denji isn't exactly a fighting genius, but he seems to be quite good at improvising and adapting in a way. Still, I'm not sure and would have to wait for someone from the verse to argue about that.
 
Pyro9278 said:
In previous discussions, I saw it mentioned that Denji has very good combat skills. Denji isn't exactly a fighting genius, but he seems to be quite good at improvising and adapting in a way. Still, I'm not sure and would have to wait for someone from the verse to argue about that.
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Denji might have some decent H2h stuff and could be adaptable but like

1) Pyro has some good weapon mastery which includes melees and he may have to fight against characters who in verse are considered skilled boxers, swordsmen, etc

Denji's adaptability could help but idk, it seems too risky given what Pyro has in store and the fact that Chainsaw man isnt like hitting MGS levels of skill for ex
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Pyro has some good weapon mastery which includes melees and he may have to fight against characters who in verse are considered skilled boxers, swordsmen, etc
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Pyro has close ranged options as well and yes he did have to fight skilled boxers such as Saxton Hale.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Pyro has close ranged options as well and yes he did have to fight skilled boxers such as Saxton Hale.
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sniper (grew up on australia), spy (should have military training) and also heavy (fought against soldiers and lived in a really harsh enviorment) are also skilled fighters
 
Pyro FRA. IMO people are really sleeping on stuff like Axetinguisher and Phlog crits that would tear through Denji.
 
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