Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Breadbear83]

Thought they were saying "Lowk". They are likely talking about the Gun Goddess calc, which will not be removed.

Primals physically scaling to it will be removed though.

So they will scale for the City level (16 megatons) 100% Gun devil KE AP? Cuz that's scaling it's supported by statements like darkness devil as a primal devil being much stronger and feared than him

 

[GunshyFever]

Will they just scale to the mountain explosion feat?

That feat is likely getting nerfed (and they shouldn't scale to it anyways due to it's ambiguity). They end up scaling above the gun devil K. E feat though.

 

[Arkenis]

That feat is likely getting nerfed (and they shouldn't scale to it anyways due to it's ambiguity). They end up scaling above the gun devil K. E feat though.

Oh are they going back to H7C or something else will be used?

 

[GunshyFever]

They'll remain at 7-B physically

 

[Arkenis]

Whatever happened to the Oregon sword calc?

 

[Epiccheev]

Oh are they going back to H7C or something else will be used?

lower 7-B but still 7-B

 

[GunshyFever]

It's environmental destruction/sword durability (sadly)

 

[Breadbear83]

I didn't fully understand what does Yoru's "Oregon Slash" is, is it she using statistic amplification on it by using the people of Oregon as energy for it? Technically her nuclear punch also was statistic amplification on her punches AP too, but also the slash seems to be an energy blast that made pochita explode (read left image then right image, or upper image then lower image)

 

[Epiccheev]

I think Yoru should have [Limited Existence Erasure], since she's able to make Americans disappear through her contract as price for her Nuclear blow and Oregon Slash.
Wouldn't even be the first time a contract does that, like when Himeno was able to offer her "entire self" to Ghost Devil as payment for using it's true body.

 

[Breadbear83]

I think Yoru should have [Limited Existence Erasure], since she's able to make Americans disappear through her contract as price for her Nuclear blow and Oregon Slash.
Wouldn't even be the first time a contract does that, like when Himeno was able to offer her "entire self" to Ghost Devil as payment for using it's true body.

it seems as its she using a transmutation ability (as its seems to be related with her weaponization ability thats its transmutation) to turn the people into energy or whatever for her contract, it essentially would make the character vanish like existence erasure too, but not neccesarily the same

 

[Arkenis]

I didn't fully understand what does Yoru's "Oregon Slash" is, is it she using statistic amplification on it by using the people of Oregon as energy for it? Technically her nuclear punch also was statistic amplification on her punches AP too, but also the slash seems to be an energy blast that made pochita explode (read left image then right image, or upper image then lower image)

Its just a really cool sword

 

[Breadbear83]

It's environmental destruction/sword durability (sadly)

where was its discussed as only that? the sword was shown clearly superior to pochita, and every weapon Yoru Made from a structure has scaled higher than the structure (turning buildings into sword that scales to multi city block or above)

 

[GunshyFever]

You'd have to use feats and comparisons. Give examples and build a strong case.

 

[Epiccheev]

it seems as its she using a transmutation ability (as its seems to be related with her weaponization ability thats its transmutation) to turn the people into energy or whatever for her contract, it essentially would make the character vanish like existence erasure too, but not neccesarily the same

It's purely for indexing purposes since it's worthless in a fight (unless she's fighting an american, i guess?) but i still feel like it's using them up as cost ala Himeno

 

[Breadbear83]

You'd have to use feats and comparisons. Give examples and build a strong case.

you asking for the sword feats or other sword feats? i made this blog with her weapons (and some power and abilities she could get from the CRT that i was saving for it but i decided to make it into a blog now) but it can be explained that the weapons are stronger than their original object or person all the time:

the Oregon Sword only appears in Chapter 221, first Yoru efforlessly cuts pochita in half, but he just regenerates, then Pochita clash his chainsaw agains Yorus sword, where Yoru struggles because of not being physically stronger than Pochita (the clash is based on their arms strength, not their weapons strength) then because Yoru is struggling, she uses the people of oregon for her sword slash so she can deal damage on pochita and be freed of the clash of his chainsaws, because pochita regenerates again she just ditches the sword as an ineffective way of incapacitating pochita by bypassing his regeneration, so she makes her nuclear punch to make a nuclear explosion that doesnt lets Pochita regenerate

about other swords being stronger than their original objects:

Chapter 98, makes the hand of the class president into a grenade thats makes an explosion, turn Mr tanaka head (a normal human) into a sword that can harm the class pres who as a devil, scales to small building level,
Chapter 107 she can make pencils into spears to attack Yuko, this spears are big enough to stab through a whole human body (like yuko did with one of asas bullies)
Chapter 122, makes a small ruler into a sword longer than the original ruler
Chapter 162, she makes a sword made out of a small scalpel, making it bigger and trying to hit Quanxi
Chapter 175, tries to hit Pochita with a sword seemingly made out of Sushi
Chapter 204, makes a whole building that Falling Devil made float into a sword, with Yoru believing that now that shes stronger, she could beat hear, and brings that building sword to fight, the building sword likely being stronger than building level as Yoru brought it up to a Falling Devil who lifted a building, if it was building level then it would be useless sword
all these weapons are from objects (or people) that yoru nor asa doesnt even care a lot, not being stronger from loving them, just her own weaponization making them stronger than their own mass

theres also:
Chapter 207, Yoru throws dozens of Weapons to Falling Devil, all of which pierces her, they seemingly made out of even everyday objects like a wheel, ice cream, a fish gills, a mouthless and hairless human head, a 10 yens coin, ETC
Chapter 216, Yoru makes the Chainsaw Man Whip Weapon from the accident devil, a devil who clearly should be much weaker than Pochita, yet yoru with it could cut most of Pochitas torso

 

[Arkenis]

It's purely for indexing purposes since it's worthless in a fight (unless she's fighting an american, i guess?) but i still feel like it's using them up as cost ala Himeno

Someone could wanna protect them and get an amp from it

 

[GunshyFever]

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I too believe that Yoru turning an entire country into a weapon should scale to the weapon itself. Considering that as you demonstrated, every weapon that Yoru creates is stronger than it's original concept. I'll make a CRT for it considering I am almost finished with her profile.

 

[Bruh]

lower 7-B but still 7-B

When did the 7B KE got nerfed?

 

[Breadbear83]

I too believe that Yoru turning an entire country into a weapon should scale to the weapon itself. Considering that as you demonstrated, every weapon that Yoru creates is stronger than it's original concept. I'll make a CRT for it considering I am almost finished with her profile.

Oh you been doing her profile revamp? Check the blog I shared if there's anything you think that could be added, for example that limited dimensional storage and gravity manipulation of her are one time used abilities that can easily be missed

 

[Bruh]

I too believe that Yoru turning an entire country into a weapon should scale to the weapon itself. Considering that as you demonstrated, every weapon that Yoru creates is stronger than it's original concept. I'll make a CRT for it considering I am almost finished with her profile.

With the way we're doing things, Yoru could legit turn the entire solar system into a weapon and we would still be calling that shit 7-B

 

[GunshyFever]

"Environmental Destruction" be for real.

 

[Arkenis]

"Environmental Destruction" be for real.

SS on Asa sandbox blank.

 

[GunshyFever]

SS on Asa sandbox blank.

It's working fine on my end, try refreshing.

 

[Arkenis]

It's working fine on my end, try refreshing.

SS means striking strength. You have it blank. She be punching and kicking, those instances should be there and leave AP for weapons and general scaling.

 

[Breadbear83]

It's working fine on my end, try refreshing.

How do I see your yoru sandbox? I can only find your sandboxes from your profile summary in the wiki

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

How do I see your yoru sandbox? I can only find your sandboxes from your profile summary in the wiki

Go onto his profile and go to contributions, any page changes will be there and just sort through it to find the sandbox. Probably the easiest way besides just asking for the link directly

 

[Breadbear83]

SS means striking strength. You have it blank. She be punching and kicking, those instances should be there and leave AP for weapons and general scaling.

Technically nuclear punch is striking strength too? Or sticking strength stat requires average punching AP?

 

[Arkenis]

Technically nuclear punch is striking strength too? Or sticking strength stat requires average punching AP?

That was a nuke. It's likely not a regular use thing so I think ap is better

 

[GunshyFever]

SS means striking strength. You have it blank. She be punching and kicking, those instances should be there and leave AP for weapons and general scaling.

Originally I had done that, but considering how vital it was to display Yoru's fear scaling, which is directly tied to her AP and SS, I reverted back to the original format. It's hard to separate them considering how heavily linked they are.

How do I see your yoru sandbox? I can only find your sandboxes from your profile summary in the wiki

GunshyFever/Asa Mitaka

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Arkenis]

Originally I had done that, but considering how vital it was to display Yoru's fear scaling, which is directly tied to her AP and SS, I reverted back to the original format. It's hard to separate them considering how heavily linked they are.

Let people figure it out, we already fear scaling on verse page and you've explained her fear scaling nicely

 

[GunshyFever]

It wouldn't really amount to much. Most of Yoru's SS feats are with her weapons, apart from the ones where she is punching herself and the one where she is punching Pochita.

She will have a feats section though, so similar to Makima, Denji and Power's profiles, people should be able to browse at their leisure for appropriate feats.

 

[Epiccheev]

I kinda wanna glaze and say Pochita should get some sort of resistance for not being vaporized by Yoru's Nuclear punch. He is toasted but not carbonized and most of the damage seems to be from the shockwave expanding itself.
Assuming we consider it a nuclear explosion, considering Yoru still had a skull left.

 

[Breadbear83]

Originally I had done that, but considering how vital it was to display Yoru's fear scaling, which is directly tied to her AP and SS, I reverted back to the original format. It's hard to separate them considering how heavily linked they are.

GunshyFever/Asa Mitaka

vsbattles.fandom.com

I already found it, thanks anyway

Also it's attack range by default always separated from the key separations in character profiles? Cuz Yoru's attack range pre and post fear boost is as big as her AP and speed increase

The profile can be more brief if for example, you said in powers and abilities nuclear weapons key "all previous ability greatly enhanced" and say why for example the telekinesis ability is higher than because of the American moon flag mentioning it in that feats section

The immortality type 5 from death being erased is because you wait for the CRT discussing it?

 

[Arkenis]

Also it's attack range by default always separated from the key separations in character profiles? Cuz Yoru's attack range pre and post fear boost is as big as her AP and speed increase

Yeah if its greater usually.

 

[Breadbear83]

Yeah if its greater usually.

I don't know if you or I are confused, I meant that AP, speed, SS and durability are separated in the key sections (where you switch from key to key by clicking on the hotbar) while Stamina and attack range aren't in it, all her keys being in the same Attack Range text (and stamina being alone too, with superhuman stamina as a general, which it's ok)

 

[GunshyFever]

It wouldn't really amount to much. Most of Yoru's SS feats are with her weapons, apart from the ones where she is punching herself and the one where she is punching Pochita.

She will have a feats section though, so similar to Makima, Denji and Power's profiles, people should be able to browse at their leisure for appropriate feats.

Found a way to make it work

 

[Breadbear83]

I kinda wanna glaze and say Pochita should get some sort of resistance for not being vaporized by Yoru's Nuclear punch. He is toasted but not carbonized and most of the damage seems to be from the shockwave expanding itself.
Assuming we consider it a nuclear explosion, considering Yoru still had a skull left.

Even average humans around the city (when nuclear punch happens, in a panel we are Shona bunch of civilians with the explosion behind them coming at them), some ended up as irrecognizable "corpses" or just got injured, it's kinda inconsistent tbh, death being erased shouldn't give you immunity to that

 

[GunshyFever]

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There doesn't really need to be separation for the ranges, considering all of them vary tremendously. And yeah, I will consider adding a lot of your blog's suggestions.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't know if you or I are confused, I meant that AP, speed, SS and durability are separated in the key sections (where you switch from key to key by clicking on the hotbar) while Stamina and attack range aren't in it, all her keys being in the same Attack Range text (and stamina being alone too, with superhuman stamina as a general, which it's ok)

Oh yeah no its fine to be outside it's not taking up a lot with text. A simple | is fine for separating it

 

[Bruh]

I kinda wanna glaze and say Pochita should get some sort of resistance for not being vaporized by Yoru's Nuclear punch. He is toasted but not carbonized and most of the damage seems to be from the shockwave expanding itself.
Assuming we consider it a nuclear explosion, considering Yoru still had a skull left.

Its kinda hard to quantify a resistance from not completely being vaporized and he already has resist to heat from his heart tanking re-entry