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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Acertainbcplayer said:
Power in blood devil form is kind of a glass canon with op hax/massive speed upgrade while power in her normal form is just kinda weak, that's the situation here.
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Yep.
Fiend Power? Even speed (once Angel's Calc gets removed) and sorta even hax, but Choso utterly one-shots.

Devil Power? Obscenely huge speed difference and even if that's equalized, either Power gets first blood and rips Choso apart from a distance, or Choso gets first blood and still one-shots, puns intended.

Honestly kinda wanna see the match anyway, since Thematic Matchups >>> Even-Sided Matchups. Devil-Human Quasi-Sibling with Blood Powers vs. Curse-Human Half-Sibling with Blood Powers who both bite it saving the MC from the Main Bad Guy is so good that I wouldn't be surprised if Death Battle did it.
 
Should Devils get resistance to power null since they are able to make contacts (the previous contracts also didn't break) inside Aging Devil world ? 🤔
 
GunshyFever said:
Wonder how he could use it in battle.
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He can't.

Side note, but isn't Typhoon Devil's Storm being in "Supporting Calcs" technically wrong? Supporting Calc means nobody scales, not even the person who performed the feat, while something does scale to Typhoon's Storm, it's just that it's only Typhoon's Environmental Destruction.

Edit: Nevermind Typhoon doesn't even have a profile.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Anywho, I don’t think Aging's nornal tactics are long distance punches- it only did that because it was contracted to do so. It seems like Aging's typical play is just [BFR + Power Null] GG.
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I'd say it is because unless aging has a specific objective he's not making any additional effort to do really anything. But if the opponent somehow gets to hell or if he was already on earth or on their battle field, yeah.
ElajRuengies said:
Also proposal to add- tastes like lotus root.
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Go ahead 😭
 
Was Denji's body physical inside Aging Devil world ? That's fissionism for Aging
Would Fami even be able to exist inside Aging Devil world
 
GunshyFever said:
Not really, it's just BFR. Aging inside his own realm is not "fissionism".
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The Chainsaw Devil is Denji's heart but inside Aging Devil world he had another one.
Also, Chainsaw Devil should have resistance to power null for his mouth and stomach abilities
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
The Chainsaw Devil is Denji's heart but inside Aging Devil world he had another one.
Also, Chainsaw Devil should have resistance to power null for his mouth and stomach abilities
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No, since the stomach was connected to something outside of Aging's world. Aging's world nulls those who are stuck inside it, but it can be affected by devil powers if the affector is outside it. (Example: Aging's face appearing in the trees).

It's not power null resistance.
 
Rez said:
I am pretty sure the wiki tends to prioritise official translations for something like this, if not old age should be fine
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"Aging Devil" is an official mistranslation. It's not even a case like Makima where the word can mean "Control" (though context makes it obvious that it's "Conquest"), the word used in Old Age Devil's name means old age or elderly, it cannot be read as aging.

Not to mention how aging as a concept is INCREDIBLY different from old age. Erasing old age would possibly benefit life, while erasing aging would guarantee the extinction of all life.
 
Zabazab said:
"Aging Devil" is an official mistranslation. It's not even a case like Makima where the word can mean "Control" (though context makes it obvious that it's "Conquest"), the word used in Old Age Devil's name means old age or elderly, it cannot be read as aging.

Not to mention how aging as a concept is INCREDIBLY different from old age. Erasing old age would possibly benefit life, while erasing aging would guarantee the extinction of all life.
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Playing the devil's advocate here- when someone says they're afraid of aging, that's thought about as growing old rather than growing up.

When a kid becomes an adult, that's not thought of as aging, that's thought of as maturing.

"Aging well" is a phrase because aging by itself is seen as a negative by default.
 
The fact that some english phrases implicitly conflate aging and elderlyness doesn't change the fact that 老い specifically refers to old age and aging would be written 老いる.
 
Nah.

So, while 老い (oi) usually means "old age," it can also kinda hint at the process of aging, depending on the context. In literature and philosophy, you’ll sometimes see it used to talk about the experience of growing old, not just the state of being old.

Japanese tends to express big ideas with nouns, while english leans more on verbs or gerunds. So yeah, "Old Age Devil" might technically be the more accurate translation, but calling "Aging Devil" a mistranslation feels like a bit of a stretch. It’s more of a localization choice that makes the idea click better for english speakers. The difference between "aging" and "old age" is a thing, but in everyday speech, they overlap enough that "Aging Devil" ain’t really wrong it just puts the focus on a slightly different nuance. and most people's fear of "aging" is actually a fear of becoming old, not just the biological process itself. If the devil embodies that fear, then the difference becomes more semantic than functional, in which case its absolutely fine as a english translation because it conveys the same idea which is whats important in localization. thats because most english speaking or reading people who are at least intermediately familiar with literature or casual conversation arnt going conflate the fear of aging as a dude constantly aware of his biological acceleration and the implications of that on entirely different age groups versus a more abstract idea of getting old.
also "old age devil" doesn't really convey the more universal fear that aging does for English readers, because what people consider old age varies a lot, while aging is the process of getting there which holds true regardless of any self identified value of old. also like it can entirely be misinterpreted as a fear of anything that's old (like what if your shit scared of old age tuple ware) , which is obviously not what the context is going for.
 
It's factual that Aging Devil rolls off the tongue easier and sounds more natural than Old Age Devil does in english, which I imagine was the main reason it was chosen as the translation, but devil Names are an incredibly important plot point, particularly when the major conflicts is based on a desire to erase said Name as a concept.

Public Safety's plan is to erase the negative changes that come as an organism reaches its later stages in life– essentially everyone would still age, but they would never leave their "prime". Old Age or Growing Old or Becoming Elderly would exclusively refer to this, while Aging would not exclusively refer to this. While it can absolutely also refer to getting old, aging is too broad of a concept for its Name when aging also refers to, for example, going from infant to toddler or from child to adolescent.
 
I believe we should keep Aging primarily because of this:
  • "My laugh lines have deepened."
  • "Man, I don’t wanna age..."
  • "If there were such a thing as an Aging Devil... I'd make a contract with it..."
  • "As soon as those words left my mouth, I found myself here."
I don't think people fear "Old Age" itself, they fear Aging because it’s a step closer to death. Old age is just the final stretch on the road to death’s door. The real fear is the process of aging, the gradual decline, and the loss that comes with it. That fear naturally extends to old age, but if old age were the real issue, we wouldn’t see elderly individuals who are content with death, satisfied with the lives they’ve lived.
 
GunshyFever said:
I believe we should keep Aging primarily because of this:
  • "My laugh lines have deepened."
  • "Man, I don’t wanna age..."
  • "If there were such a thing as an Aging Devil... I'd make a contract with it..."
  • "As soon as those words left my mouth, I found myself here."
I don't think people fear "Old Age" itself, they fear Aging because it’s a step closer to death. Old age is just the final stretch on the road to death’s door. The real fear is the process of aging, the gradual decline, and the loss that comes with it. That fear naturally extends to old age, but if old age were the real issue, we wouldn’t see elderly individuals who are content with death, satisfied with the lives they’ve lived.
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true, people are not afraid of old age, they are afraid of its consequences and negative effects, aging
 
GunshyFever said:
Which can mean both. And Aging would fit better in this context imo.
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yes in japanese they can be used interchangeably, its just the act of translating it from japanese to english as is makes the distinction look weird in English.

old age and aging mean more or less the same thing in this context, but aging is more appropriate to English readers if we had to be specific in what they wanted to convey.
 
ElajRuengies said:
1. That wasn't the Finger Gun that was used against Darkness- note how Makima doesn't say "Bang," which she always does when using the Finger Gun, even when making a tiny hole in her hand (Ch. 94) In fact it couldn't have been the Finger Gun, given how the Finger Gun was only in play after she beat 20% Gun.
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How was makima even able to react to darkness first? They shouldn't be in the same tier of speed considering she got blitzed by pochita.
 
Famikiga said:
How was makima even able to react to darkness first? They shouldn't be in the same tier of speed considering she got blitzed by pochita.
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Technically they tied, Makima's finger broke while Darkness started spewing.

Either Darkness wasn't locked in, Makima was borrowing the power of some crazy fast/instant passive devil, or Plot Armor.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Technically they tied, Makima's finger broke while Darkness started spewing.

Either Darkness wasn't locked in, Makima was borrowing the power of some crazy fast/instant passive devil, or Plot Armor.
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What if makima ability activation speed is just faster then her actual body speed.
 
Famikiga said:
What if makima ability activation speed is just faster then her actual body speed.
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Yes, that is the case. The problem is not the ability activation speed but rather her reaction speed. Her practically matching a serious darkness devil is an issue.

How does Part 1 Pochita being superior to Part 2 Pochita sound? Thinking from a logical standpoint. This could fix our scaling issue.
 
GunshyFever said:
How does Part 1 Pochita being superior to Part 2 Pochita sound? Thinking from a logical standpoint. This could fix our scaling issue.
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If by logically you mean: ignoring showings of physical destruction, narrative implications, and what I think would be stupid, and thus judging solely based on if this would create any plain and solid logical contradictions that are not based anything open to interpretation, then Part 1 Pochita being stronger than Part 2 Pochita still wouldn't make sense.

Part 1 Pochita > Part 2 Pochita would mean Post-Training Denji is stronger than Post-Fear Boost Denji, which means Katana Man's stronger than Whip Woman, resulting in Public Safety Uniforms being stronger than Public Safety Uniforms.

We can just accept that Makima not instantly dying to Darkness was an outlier necessary for the story to not end. Fujimoto can have one of those, as a treat.
 
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Asa must be mortified right now. (And also very confused.)

ALSO ONE(1) MILLILITER OF DEATH DEVIL LORE DROP AND POWER AND NAYUTA MENTION- WOOOOOO!

THE BIWEEKLY DEVIL'S STILL DEAD! (It'll come back to greet Death)
 
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