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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Even though Denji ate D, he hasn't forgotten anything. In upcoming episodes, he'll find Power and feed him his flesh, and Power will remember everything. Nayuta should also return.
 
Zabazab said:
Not how it would work, Asa is just as much of a devil as Yoru. Mitaka Asa is the War Devil. That's why she has devil powers. If Yoru was a Fiend, Asa would be a Fiend. There's also no way Asa would sign off on Yoru's Contract.
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I gave this some thought and I don't completely agree with it. Yoru still took over the body of a corpse, which makes her a fiend. The only difference is that she kept half of Asa's brain intact, but the body itself belongs to the War Devil. Yoru is still a fiend because she is inhabiting a human body. Asa is also effectively a fiend but considerably alive. That does not make Asa the War Devil, it simply makes her the War Devil's host. Asa would not need to sign off on anything, considering part of the War Devil is human, which breaks the limitation of being unable to form contracts, in contrast to other fiends which are devils possessing corpses with no living human component.

The fundamentals are different. The main premise being that Yoru cannot be a full devil considering she is inhabiting a human which inherently makes her a fiend, as well as other key factors like Yoru's scars which are meant to be the distinct head shape of a fiend.
 
Alexander said:
Eacept that she should be at full control, not half, it is just like Pochita...but with half
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Pochita is a completely different scenario. He just functions as a heart normally, when the contract between him and denji is broken, he takes the wheel. Their is no "Half".

Yoru has full control, the difference being she inhabits half of Asa's brain (which she states that she can easily destroy)
 
GunshyFever said:
Asa would not need to sign off on anything, considering part of the War Devil is human, which breaks the limitation of being unable to form contracts, in contrast to other fiends which are devils possessing corpses with no living human component.
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Galgali is a fiend who even recalls his human life and whose human personality is stronger than the Violence Devil's ego.

There is just no situation I can see where Yoru is considered a fiend while Asa is considered both human and a part of Yoru. Either they are separate or are one, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Not to mention that Asa and Yoru are never called a fiend anywhere in or out of the story. They are only ever called the War Devil, and on one occassion a Human-War Devil fusion.

War Fiend was a fine fantheory, but it has been shot in the liver with Yoru's ability to make contracts. The theory now requires baseless headcanon to stand up to scrutiny when occam's razor simply states they are not a fiend.
 
Zabazab said:
Galgali is a fiend who even recalls his human life and whose human personality is stronger than the Violence Devil's ego.

There is just no situation I can see where Yoru is considered a fiend while Asa is considered both human and a part of Yoru. Either they are separate or are one, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Not to mention that Asa and Yoru are never called a fiend anywhere in or out of the story. They are only ever called the War Devil, and on one occassion a Human-War Devil fusion.

War Fiend was a fine fantheory, but it has been shot in the liver with Yoru's ability to make contracts. The theory now requires baseless headcanon to stand up to scrutiny when occam's razor simply states they are not a fiend.
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You can't use Galgali as a reference considering that his brain works completely differently, in chapter 56 it is stated that he has a lot of his human brain left which affected his memories and by extension his personality. Similar things apply to Asa and Yoru but the situation is different, Galgali's host is not alive while Asa Mitaka is. For Galgali only the devil remains while for Yoru, Asa Mitaka who is her own person still exists. It is also fairly common for strong emotions to override devil power as shown with Angel and Makima as well as Asa and Yoru

We consider Yoru a fiend because she:
  1. Took over a corpse which is a prerequisite to becoming a fiend
  2. Has a distinct head shape like other fiends shown through her scars
  3. There has never been a situation where a devil takes over a human body and becomes a full fledged devil, this is separate from Power which is a completely different scenario
Even Violence as you described in your first point actually has full control over his body and is still categorized as a Fiend by Public Safety. The argument that they can only be one or the other does not work here because humans cannot turn into devils without a contract, Yoru never made a contract with Asa so that is impossible. The only reason Asa is alive is because Yoru kept half of her brain intact, otherwise it would have just been Yoru, and Yoru constantly shows that it is her body and that she can willingly eject or kill Asa at any time.

They are never called a fiend because there has never been a case of a living fiend host (that we've seen, Yoru had an agenda and it is not a stretch to say her plan is not popular among devils. If you want to call them a fusion that is fine, they are more than a fiend considering they share a brain but they are still categorized as a fiend just not a regular one, which is why nobody explicitly calls them that.

It is also worth noting that this is mostly not even a fan theory anymore, the only thing keeping it that way is that it is not stated or confirmed, and with the points above it is certainly not "baseless". The reasoning for why Yoru can create contracts is because her host is still considered human, taken over by the War Devil but still alive. Asa is the only person we have seen this happen to and is the only living "fiend" who can make contracts, making it a valid assumption.

The conclusion is that they are more than a fiend but should still be classified as one considering their origins. Asa and Yoru are not fiends, devils or hybrids, if you want to call them a fusion that is fine with me.
 
GunshyFever said:
The reasoning for why Yoru can create contracts is because her host is still considered human, taken over by the War Devil but still alive. Asa is the only person we have seen this happen to and is the only living "fiend" who can make contracts, making it a valid assumption.
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That's... contradictory to pretty much every single statement about how Fiends work and why they can't make contracts. You're basically saying "oh Asa is alive so it makes sense for her to make contracts as a fiend" but if she is alive, then by Fujimotos own definition, she cannot be a fiend. I completely agree with Zabzab here, this is just headcanon.
GunshyFever said:
The conclusion is that they are more than a fiend but should still be classified as one considering their origins. Asa and Yoru are not fiends, devils or hybrids, if you want to call them a fusion that is fine with me.
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Her head shape is not noted to be different and Denji notices these things. In fact, your definition was literally talked about in Part 1 as to how Denji would be a fiend, and the reason he isn't is because his head don't have a weird shape.
 
Saqphire said:
That's... contradictory to pretty much every single statement about how Fiends work and why they can't make contracts. You're basically saying "oh Asa is alive so it makes sense for her to make contracts as a fiend" but if she is alive, then by Fujimotos own definition, she cannot be a fiend. I completely agree with Zabzab here, this is just headcanon.
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GunshyFever said:
Even Violence as you described in your first point actually has full control over his body and is still categorized as a Fiend by Public Safety. The argument that they can only be one or the other does not work here because humans cannot turn into devils without a contract, Yoru never made a contract with Asa so that is impossible. The only reason Asa is alive is because Yoru kept half of her brain intact, otherwise it would have just been Yoru, and Yoru constantly shows that it is her body and that she can willingly eject or kill Asa at any time.
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GunshyFever said:
They are never called a fiend because there has never been a case of a living fiend host (that we've seen, Yoru had an agenda and it is not a stretch to say her plan is not popular among devils. If you want to call them a fusion that is fine, they are more than a fiend considering they share a brain but they are still categorized as a fiend just not a regular one, which is why nobody explicitly calls them that.
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GunshyFever said:
The conclusion is that they are more than a fiend but should still be classified as one considering their origins. Asa and Yoru are not fiends, devils or hybrids, if you want to call them a fusion that is fine with me.
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Saqphire said:
Her head shape is not noted to be different and Denji notices these things. In fact, your definition was literally talked about in Part 1 as to how Denji would be a fiend, and the reason he isn't is because his head don't have a weird shshape.
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For Yoru, that would count as her scars as I've stated above, that is her "distinct head shape". Even Yoshida notices them as proof of its exsistance.
 
Sammy818 said:
You can’t tell me csm isn’t its best when there isn’t fighting
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I mean, to be fair, Fujimoto has been pretty open in interviews that what struggles with most is choreographing fight scenes. He himself admits it. He even has stated that Reze vs Denji is the most effort he spent into making a proper battle-shonen-like fight and it does show.

And like the others have said, ultimately CSM is more of a character-driven story above all else.


GunshyFever said:
For Yoru, that would count as her scars as I've stated above, that is her "distinct head shape". Even Yoshida notices them as proof of its exsistance.
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Is it me or do I just not understand the argument here. Like yeah, scars appear whenever Yoru takes over but they're not on her face as Asa. You might as well call Hybrids fiends as they can get "distinct head shapes" when transformed with that logic.
 
CowHeadGod said:
I mean, to be fair, Fujimoto has been pretty open in interviews that what struggles with most is choreographing fight scenes. He himself admits it. He even has stated that Reze vs Denji is the most effort he spent into making a proper battle-shonen-like fight and it does show.
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He got better at it because unironically Pochita vs Makima is the most choreographed fight in CSM.
CowHeadGod said:
Is it me or do I just not understand the argument here. Like yeah, scars appear whenever Yoru takes over but they're not on her face as Asa. You might as well call Hybrids fiends as they can get "distinct head shapes" when transformed with that logic.
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Fairs.
 
Yoru and Asa should have Resistance to Possession considering they can fight over their bodies
 
Their dual ego is just their state of being. Multiple Selves does not grant resistance to possession.
 
Zabazab said:
Their dual ego is just their state of being. Multiple Selves does not grant resistance to possession.
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Yoru is a separate and foreign entitiy from Asa though, kinda like an All for one and Shgaraki type of deal and they had Resistance to Possession
 
Bruh said:
Yoru is a separate and foreign entitiy from Asa though, kinda like an All for one and Shgaraki type of deal and they had Resistance to Possession
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All for one and shigaraki were constantly possessing and repossessing and resisting each other every single day, That's why they get it.
Asa has no showings of doing all of this below
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If it' accepted that Angel Devil's spear is light, why don't we use that for Pochita dodging/blocking it? We even see that it illuminates Kobeni's face and the color is even the same as the stars.
 
Aaaaa11112222 said:
If it' accepted that Angel Devil's spear is light, why don't we use that for Pochita dodging/blocking it? We even see that it illuminates Kobeni's face and the color is even the same as the stars.
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Well it isn't, light cannot be a mass. It's like accepting that a stick can travel at light speed because it glows and has cool VFX.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
All for one and shigaraki were constantly possessing and repossessing and resisting each other every single day, That's why they get it.
Asa has no showings of doing all of this below
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Aint 70% of Shigaraki's screentime post Surgery being puppeted around by AFO tho
 
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