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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

How long do u guys think the current fight will continue for? My guess is about 2 more chapters before they reach a solution or climax or whatnot
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Yeah, it should stay in the MHS range I think? The only things I'd try are stuff that would maybe increase the result a bit, not lower it. That and things that would be a different rating like the explosive speeds there and the AP of those small explosions which might come out city block level due to the speed at which they expand despite being small... just a lot of concentrated energy (it's more helpful because Denji's City Block calc is outdated and uses old destruction values)
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While youre at it, could you recalc the torpedo punch feat using the new PSI and size from the first explosion, feels like its too early to give up on that feat
 
Bruh said:
While youre at it, could you recalc the torpedo punch feat using the new PSI and size from the first explosion, feels like its too early to give up on that feat
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What torpedo punch? The torpedo she launches at Beam near the Tokyo tower? I don't mind applying a re-calc since Acertain did most of the leg work already but I thought they were gonna do the re-calc themselves. On my plate I have:

  • Finish Reze speed calcs
  • Calc AP for Reze during the building scene
  • Calc big boom
  • Calc LS for Reze stopping the kick that destroys an entire street and sends cars flying upwards.

The torpedo might not scale to anyone besides Reze anyways? Denji got near one shot by a torpedo kick despite countering with regeneration the same exact second and beam got severe internal damage but he's a fiend so he was fine. Depends on how much higher than the current durability rating the result I guess, if it's close enough I'd keep it as it is.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Denji got near one shot by a torpedo kick despite countering with regeneration the same exact second. Depends on how much higher than the current durability rating the result I guess, if it's close enough I'd keep it as it is.
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We already agreed that Denji got oneshotted because he was low on blood due to reviving with insufficient blood, Aki himself said so, and we know from example such as Katana Man that being low on blood can have detrimental effect on Hybrids. During the building sequence when he was full on blood, he tank a torpedo punch similar to the one uses against Beam as well.
 
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PhantomØ4 said:
What torpedo punch? The torpedo she launches at Beam near the Tokyo tower? I don't mind applying a re-calc since Acertain did most of the leg work already but I thought they were gonna do the re-calc themselves. On my plate I have

  • Finish Reze speed calcs
  • Calc AP for Reze during the building scene
  • Calc big boom
  • Calc LS for Reze stopping the kick that destroys an entire street and sends cars flying upwards.
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If youre busy, no need to push yourself too much, im just putting the information out there so that people still remember that feat exist despite the value change
 
Bruh said:
During the building sequence when he was full on blood, he tank a torpedo punch similar to the one uses against Beam as well.
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I would not exactly call him getting rag dolled into oblivion tanking it... but more importantly Denji does not take a torpedo explosion if you watch it frame by frame as Reze uses it to propel her punch and he gets sent flying at least two floors w/o the torpedo exploding.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I would not exactly call him getting rag dolled into oblivion tanking it... but more importantly Denji does not take a torpedo explosion if you watch it frame by frame as Reze uses it to propel her punch and he gets sent flying at least two floors w/o the torpedo exploding.
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There's also an impact frame of that stuff going straight into his ribs. At worst he could down scale from it (durability wise), considering how vivid CSM takes durability showings.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I would not exactly call him getting rag dolled into oblivion tanking it... but more importantly Denji does not take a torpedo explosion if you watch it frame by frame as Reze uses it to propel her punch and he gets sent flying at least two floors w/o the torpedo exploding.
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Isnt that because she let go off the torpedo right after the punch which exploded on him regardless, you could even see a stream of torpedo propellant where he got punch pushing him upward which then exploded
 
GunshyFever said:
There's also an impact frame of that stuff going straight into his ribs. At worst he could down scale from it (durability wise), considering how vivid CSM takes durability showings.
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Depends on what the result even is. Obviously if the explosion is 100 times stronger than Denji's durability rating I'd agree we should downscale him from that rating but if the result is even like up to... eh... 5ish times higher (I dunno, basing it a bit on the wiki's x7.5 fatal threshold)? than Denji's dura he should be able to survive with hybrid physiology and things like beam suffering intense internal damage from it would make sense.

Downscaling from it and giving the exact same energy value when with his current dura value he'd also survive just seems a bit odd imo. But again, it depends on what the result for the explosion even is.

Bruh said:
Isnt that because she let go off the torpedo right after the punch which exploded on him regardless, you could even see a stream of torpedo propellant where he got punch pushing him upward which then exploded
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And not sure about this, the frames are too stylized to say with certainty but I don't think it hits Denji directly going through the frames just seems to hit a floor and explode.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
And not sure about this, the frames are too stylized to say with certainty but I don't think it hits Denji directly going through the frames just seems to hit a floor and explode.
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Considering the last thing the torpedo makes contact with is Denji and we never see it somehow slipped out of his torso or if it did, how far. I think it's somewhat reasonable to scale him to it given the stylized nature of the animation. Also i said "tanked" but it moreso meant withstood, i do think Reze's explosion upscale from Denjis dura a bit but not by a whole tier or anything, except the Nuke cuz
 


The torpedo does slip out of contact with denji and doesn’t regain contact before it becomes way too stylized to know what’s going on with certainty.
 
PhantomØ4 said:


The torpedo does slip out of contact with denji and doesn’t regain contact before it becomes way too stylized to know what’s going on with certainty.
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He was still in close proximity to it no? Like i dont think there was a meter or more of distance between Denji and the explosion considering the direction and trajectory of the whole scene
 
Bruh said:
He was still in close proximity to it no? Like i dont think there was a meter or more of distance between Denji and the explosion considering the direction and trajectory of the whole scene
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I think we should wait for there to even be a calc with an energy value before discussing this further... regardless Beam is there to downscale from the torpedo. Tho my thoughts regarding downscaling still remain.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I would not exactly call him getting rag dolled into oblivion tanking it... but more importantly Denji does not take a torpedo explosion if you watch it frame by frame as Reze uses it to propel her punch and he gets sent flying at least two floors w/o the torpedo exploding.
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While he does get ragdollwd we don't see him really taking too much damage from it, apart from that moment we only see him pull his cord to regenerate after his arm gets cut off which is from a different attack
 
******* JJK is getting more collateral and visible damage from the current top tier fight compared to the literal concept of War fighting and tossing states and nukes around
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
******* JJK is getting more collateral and visible damage from the current top tier fight compared to the literal concept of War fighting and tossing states and nukes around
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I started Modulo but I'm avoiding leaks, what's going on? yes, you can spoil me
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
******* JJK is getting more collateral and visible damage from the current top tier fight compared to the literal concept of War fighting and tossing states and nukes around
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Whats close to state tossing? All I've seen is some buildings being destroyed which is like standard Pochita feats
 
GunshyFever said:

I guess I'll be replacing scaling route 1 with scaling route 2
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I’m not done 😭 I was just gonna continue it. I don’t even know if that rating is useful, it’s just how quickly her small explosions expand upon bursting and was mostly using it for AP. The mach 500 is far more accurate to her movement speed since she’s slower than her explosions.

Guess it could be attack speed but it’s not like anyone outruns her small explosions.

Still, lemme finish
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah what feat? Because so far the collateral is just buildings destroyed. Yoru's destroying entire cities
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Oh I misread what you said. My bad

Anyways I’m saying that shit is looking more visually interesting and has higher collateral damage compared to what the Oregon sword did and what the nuke punch did. Probably shoulda specified I meant those two and not the actual creation of the sword cause the sword itself didn’t do shit
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I’m not done 😭 I was just gonna continue it. I don’t even know if that rating is useful, it’s just how quickly her small explosions expand upon bursting and was mostly using it for AP. The mach 500 is far more accurate to her movement speed since she’s slower than her explosions.

Guess it could be attack speed but it’s not like anyone outruns her small explosions.

Still, lemme finish
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It's not that it breaks scaling or anything, I'm just surprised that the feat itself could reach MHS+, but that's not entirely bad and solves the Fake Saw part 2 speed gap. Whatever you end up getting is fine.
 
Idk if I forgot to say, but it was also disproven that Yoru is a Fiend. She can make Contracts, which Fiends are incapable of making.
 
Zabazab said:
Idk if I forgot to say, but it was also disproven that Yoru is a Fiend. She can make Contracts, which Fiends are incapable of making.
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That's likely due to the fact that she is a living fiend host, part of her is human, therefore she is eligible to create a contract because of her host.
 
GunshyFever said:
That's likely due to the fact that she is a living fiend host, part of her is human, therefore she is eligible to create a contract because of her host.
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Not how it would work, Asa is just as much of a devil as Yoru. Mitaka Asa is the War Devil. That's why she has devil powers. If Yoru was a Fiend, Asa would be a Fiend. There's also no way Asa would sign off on Yoru's Contract.
 
The well fed getting tired of eating the same steak everyday. Yall don't remember the Prime of the bi-weekly devil in 2023.
 
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