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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

It almost definitely won't give a better result than upscaling from Gun Devil, but it might be a nice supporting feat.

Quanxi is also blitzed by Makima at the very end of the International assassins arc, so blitzing her (at least) supersonic reactions would probably give a pretty good speed feat for Makima.
 
Makima absolutely does not scale to Darkness Devil in any way besides her telekinesis(?) temporarily harming it, she's not as strong, fast, or durable.
 
Zabazab said:
Makima absolutely does not scale to Darkness Devil in any way besides her telekinesis(?) temporarily harming it, she's not as strong, fast, or durable.
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She can fire a bang before DD can attack back
So at least in reaction speeds she scales
 
Emerald said:
She can fire a bang before DD can attack back
So at least in reaction speeds she scales
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DD actually points before she does, she just wins the interaction. Tbh it seems more like hax than AP, since DD just starts bleeding out of it's holes rather than taking anything resembling a telekinetic blast.

Even if she did outspeed it'd be an outlier since DD > HoH Pochita, who blitzes her to hell and back.
 
Zabazab said:
DD actually points before she does, she just wins the interaction. Tbh it seems more like hax than AP, since DD just starts bleeding out of it's holes rather than taking anything resembling a telekinetic blast.

Even if she did outspeed it'd be an outlier since DD > HoH Pochita, who blitzes her to hell and back.
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Since when was Darkness>Prime Pochita???
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Since when was Darkness>Prime Pochita???
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The Darkness Devil has never once experienced death, while Pochita has. Pochita rampaged in hell for who-knows how long, and never once killed a Primal Fear.

Pochita isn't even on the level of Prime War Devil, he only beat her with resurrection & weakening it with his EE.
 
Emerald said:
Probably cause Darkness is a transcendental devil
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Yeah but Pochita scales to Primals anyways

Hell it's implied Prime Pochita is above him given


A. He's stated to be the Devil that Devils fear most ( and we know more fear=more power )

B. When Denji and the others first entered Hell during the Santa Arc, Darkness came in and stomped and even when Makima herself appeared...one of the 4 Horseman...he still was ready to throw down with her...but when Pochita regained his full power and got sent to Hell in the final arc of Part 1...Darkness wasn't willing to try and jump him again...

C. He took less damage from 4 Bangs from Makima than Darkness took 1 from her

D. He unironically was slapping up Makima worse than Darkness did, even with her hybrid army

E. This next one is more headcanony on my part ( so take it with a grain of salt ) but Death is likely above Darkness and she is one of the 4 Horseman of whom Pochita could fight all 4 at once at his peak
 
Giannysmag said:
Is that ever actually stated? Also i might be trippin but didnt all four horsemen of the apocalypse fight Pochita?
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Yeah, Yoru says "Even when I killed him, he just got up again and again, so I lost! And he ate some of my body, weakening me!"

He did also fight the Horseman and Weapon Devils according to Makima, which put him into the near-death state Denji found him in. So they found away around his resurrections.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Yeah but Pochita scales to Primals anyways

Hell it's implied Prime Pochita is above him given


A. He's stated to be the Devil that Devils fear most ( and we know more fear=more power )

B. When Denji and the others first entered Hell during the Santa Arc, Darkness came in and stomped and even when Makima herself appeared...one of the 4 Horseman...he still was ready to throw down with her...but when Pochita regained his full power and got sent to Hell in the final arc of Part 1...Darkness wasn't willing to try and jump him again...

C. He took less damage from 4 Bangs from Makima than Darkness took 1 from her

D. He unironically was slapping up Makima worse than Darkness did, even with her hybrid army

E. This next one is more headcanony on my part ( so take it with a grain of salt ) but Death is likely above Darkness and she is one of the 4 Horseman of whom Pochita could fight all 4 at once at his peak
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Also DD demanded CSM's heart as payment for the contract with Santa, so clearly DD considered Pochita powerful enough to warrant proactively trying to take him off the field
 
Even if a Devil was so strong that they could kill Pochita in a flick of the wrist, fear of Pochita would still be warranted. Ultimately he is the only way for a Devil to truly die.
 
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Just gonna drop these on the topic of Pochita vs Darkness Devil
 
Beam is absolutely the most devoted worshipper, so I think he's an iffy source. Although I don't doubt Prime Pochita could have saved the crew from DD, I do not think Pochita ever could have defeated DD. Being the Devil that Devils fear most is obviously the main source of his strength, but Pochita is nothing like a primal fear for Devils, he is not instinctively feared.

DD not attacking when Pochita was cast into hell can be easily explained as him just not knowing he was there, and he only stayed for a few minutes. DD pounced on the crew during International Assassins because DD, Santa, and Doll Devil had a pre-planned contract. Pochita is still a resurrection-machine, so it'd be pointless to kill him as a Devil- but as a Hybrid, he can be killed and stays dead unless his trigger is pulled, and he won't even reincarnate- making it the best way to end the Chainsaw Devil.

Honestly I just think the fact that THE biggest object of worship around the Chainsaw Devil is that he always gets up after being killed, meaning he dies a ton, is evidence that he's not on DD's level, a being that has existed for as long as humanity has without ever being killed.

(Also, Makima never actually used telekinesis- "Bang!"- on DD, she only used her "bleed from every hole in your body" hax, so harming it should probably be removed from her AP justification, and just leave harming Pochita)
 
Zabazab said:
Beam is absolutely the most devoted worshipper, so I think he's an iffy source. Although I don't doubt Prime Pochita could have saved the crew from DD, I do not think Pochita ever could have defeated DD. Being the Devil that Devils fear most is obviously the main source of his strength, but Pochita is nothing like a primal fear for Devils, he is not instinctively feared.
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Angel Devil does say that all Devils remember one thing from Hell when they're reincarnated onto Earth -- the roar of a chainsaw. So honestly Pochita may be a primal fear for Devils.
Fear of chainsaws also banks on several deep-seated fears, most notably those of loud low octave sounds (such as those of predatory large animals like big cats and bears), as well as fears of gouging, mass bloodshed, dismemberment, etc. Hell, diving into deep chainsaw lore, there's even some fear of stuff like doctors, surgery, and birth complications thrown in for flavor, since the chainsaw was originally invented to cut through bone and cartilage to make room for an infant stuck in the birth canal.
Zabazab said:
Honestly I just think the fact that THE biggest object of worship around the Chainsaw Devil is that he always gets up after being killed, meaning he dies a ton, is evidence that he's not on DD's level, a being that has existed for as long as humanity has without ever being killed.
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DD has had far longer to fully master its abilities (has existed since the likes of Sumeria Babylon and Egypt at the very earliest, whereas chainsaws were invented a couple centuries ago and didn't quite gain a vice grip on people's nightmares until cinema with audio became a thing) and has the advantage of having been a primal fear full-stop from the drop, meaning it basically sprang from the womb of humanity's collective subconscious already fuqn invincible. Also, Pochita being able to straight-up permakill Devils and rearrange history itself is a massive focus of his worship -- it's not just the constant ressurections.

Also the point of how DD pretty much demanded that Pochita get obliterated still implies that the Hero of Hell is at very least something that may become a legitimate threat
 
SheevShezarrine said:
Angel Devil does say that all Devils remember one thing from Hell when they're reincarnated onto Earth -- the roar of a chainsaw. So honestly Pochita may be a primal fear for Devils.
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Nah, it's just all of the Division 4 Devils that remember the roar, who are all specifically Chainsaw Man worshippers gathered by Makima, so it makes sense that all of them were killed by/around Pochita. We know Pochita isn't a primal fear because Bat and Leech, 2 Devils who likely regularly reincarnate, had no instinctive fear of Chainsaw Man.

The Chainsaw history lesson was pretty cool though actually.

SheevShezarrine said:
Also the point of how DD pretty much demanded that Pochita get obliterated still implies that the Hero of Hell is at very least something that may become a legitimate threat
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Honestly he could be as strong as Buckie and still would be a threat to DD- and all Devils. It's the only way to kill them forever.

Of course this isn't to imply that The Chainsaw Devil isn't incredibly strong, he's easily part of the top class, I just don't think being stronger than Primals is possible.
 
Zabazab said:
Nah, it's just all of the Division 4 Devils that remember the roar, who are all specifically Chainsaw Man worshippers gathered by Makima, so it makes sense that all of them were killed by/around Pochita. We know Pochita isn't a primal fear because Bat and Leech, 2 Devils who likely regularly reincarnate, had no instinctive fear of Chainsaw Man.
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Ah yeah you're right I misremembered the context. But tbh Bat and Leech seem dumb as bricks tho so I could see them just not having the brainpower to actually feel things like fear unless a reminder of their mortality is being crammed down their throats (I stand by my assessment of their intellect but I do understand that it's not rly a legit argument for Pochita being instinctively feared by other Devils)
Zabazab said:
The Chainsaw history lesson was pretty cool though actually.
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Tyty, I've been looking into their history a bit trying to figure out what Fujimoto's smoking and what possible irl chainsaw lore he could possibly be using (aside from TCM being a peak horror movie) to justify making Pochita so op
Zabazab said:
Honestly he could be as strong as Buckie and still would be a threat to DD- and all Devils. It's the only way to kill them forever.

Of course this isn't to imply that The Chainsaw Devil isn't incredibly strong, he's easily part of the top class, I just don't think being stronger than Primals is possible.
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I consider it fully possible for others to be their peers (like with Falling taking orders from Fami), especially temporarily as depending on topicality a non-primal fear can eclipse a primal fear (for example the Cuban Missile Crisis was probably a more distressing matter for the world at large than the idea of sleeping without a night light), but I do agree that save for a theoretical incoming Armageddon Devil and maybe prime Yoru with her strongest possible weapon, it's impossible until proven otherwise to eclipse them outright
 
Denji needs at least a part 2 key on his page. He is absolutely way stronger than when he fought the Bat Devil, since he kills it by accident.
 
Chainsaw Devil took a telekinetic blast WAY better than Darkness Devil is all I'm saying

Nothing implies the horsemen are below the primal fears, in fact with the more recent chapters implying relativity
 
Idk if this can count as a LS feat, but DD can stay in place and barely move after getting blasted by Makima's finger gun who can instantly crush concrete and rock
 
Ok this has been repeated so many times now, even on her profile, and I have no idea why because Makima did not use her Telekinesis on Darkness Devil.

Makima used her hax that makes the target bleed from every hole in their body, seen when she used in on the Mafia & even was used an extra time in the anime. In fact, DD was using similar hax just panels before it interacted with Makima.

Makima pointed, but she did not use a finger gun, and did not say "Bang." Most importantly, the damage to DD was very clearly not external, which her telekinesis would have caused if it was used.
 
Zabazab said:
Makima used her hax that makes the target bleed from every hole in their body, seen when she used in on the Mafia & even was used an extra time in the anime. In fact, DD was using similar hax just panels before it interacted with Makima.
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That hax doesn't exist.
 
Actually rereading the chapters again, she only got "bang" after the whole Gun Devil event. I even feel like the "Bang" is a contract or her control over the Gun devil. She does a finger gun and says "bang", y'know like a gun. And in prior chapters, she never displayed using it, like ever.
So yea, she might've used the whole Bio Manip against DD
 
Incredibly cool theory, buuuuut it seems likely she used it when she got shot in the Katana Man arc. The mafia agents she killed had massive holes in them. We don't see how she did it, but I'd guess that did it.

And we also see she says Bang incredibly consistently, it seems like saying it is necessary afawk. She even says Bang when she shoots her own hand to give Pochita blood.
 
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