- 4,499
- 5,113
Couldn't you have already cacled that off him blitzing Quanxi in hell and her Hypersonic feat with all those dolls/devil hunters?If Quanxi has cannonically SoS speed, then we can calc the Darkness Devil blitzing everyone
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Couldn't you have already cacled that off him blitzing Quanxi in hell and her Hypersonic feat with all those dolls/devil hunters?If Quanxi has cannonically SoS speed, then we can calc the Darkness Devil blitzing everyone
You cant use a value of calc in a different calc since it leads to very inflated resultsCouldn't you have already cacled that off him blitzing Quanxi in hell and her Hypersonic feat with all those dolls/devil hunters?
mmmYou cant use a value of calc in a different calc since it leads to very inflated results
She can fire a bang before DD can attack backMakima absolutely does not scale to Darkness Devil in any way besides her telekinesis(?) temporarily harming it, she's not as strong, fast, or durable.
DD actually points before she does, she just wins the interaction. Tbh it seems more like hax than AP, since DD just starts bleeding out of it's holes rather than taking anything resembling a telekinetic blast.She can fire a bang before DD can attack back
So at least in reaction speeds she scales
Since when was Darkness>Prime Pochita???DD actually points before she does, she just wins the interaction. Tbh it seems more like hax than AP, since DD just starts bleeding out of it's holes rather than taking anything resembling a telekinetic blast.
Even if she did outspeed it'd be an outlier since DD > HoH Pochita, who blitzes her to hell and back.
Probably cause Darkness is a transcendental devilSince when was Darkness>Prime Pochita???
The Darkness Devil has never once experienced death, while Pochita has. Pochita rampaged in hell for who-knows how long, and never once killed a Primal Fear.Since when was Darkness>Prime Pochita???
Is that ever actually stated? Also i might be trippin but didnt all four horsemen of the apocalypse fight Pochita?Pochita isn't even as strong as Prime War Devil, he only beat it with resurrection & weakening it with his EE.
Yeah but Pochita scales to Primals anywaysProbably cause Darkness is a transcendental devil
Yeah, Yoru says "Even when I killed him, he just got up again and again, so I lost! And he ate some of my body, weakening me!"Is that ever actually stated? Also i might be trippin but didnt all four horsemen of the apocalypse fight Pochita?
Found it
Though its from a fan translation
Also DD demanded CSM's heart as payment for the contract with Santa, so clearly DD considered Pochita powerful enough to warrant proactively trying to take him off the fieldYeah but Pochita scales to Primals anyways
Hell it's implied Prime Pochita is above him given
A. He's stated to be the Devil that Devils fear most ( and we know more fear=more power )
B. When Denji and the others first entered Hell during the Santa Arc, Darkness came in and stomped and even when Makima herself appeared...one of the 4 Horseman...he still was ready to throw down with her...but when Pochita regained his full power and got sent to Hell in the final arc of Part 1...Darkness wasn't willing to try and jump him again...
C. He took less damage from 4 Bangs from Makima than Darkness took 1 from her
D. He unironically was slapping up Makima worse than Darkness did, even with her hybrid army
E. This next one is more headcanony on my part ( so take it with a grain of salt ) but Death is likely above Darkness and she is one of the 4 Horseman of whom Pochita could fight all 4 at once at his peak
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Just gonna drop these on the topic of Pochita vs Darkness Devil
Angel Devil does say that all Devils remember one thing from Hell when they're reincarnated onto Earth -- the roar of a chainsaw. So honestly Pochita may be a primal fear for Devils.Beam is absolutely the most devoted worshipper, so I think he's an iffy source. Although I don't doubt Prime Pochita could have saved the crew from DD, I do not think Pochita ever could have defeated DD. Being the Devil that Devils fear most is obviously the main source of his strength, but Pochita is nothing like a primal fear for Devils, he is not instinctively feared.
DD has had far longer to fully master its abilities (has existed since the likes of Sumeria Babylon and Egypt at the very earliest, whereas chainsaws were invented a couple centuries ago and didn't quite gain a vice grip on people's nightmares until cinema with audio became a thing) and has the advantage of having been a primal fear full-stop from the drop, meaning it basically sprang from the womb of humanity's collective subconscious already fuqn invincible. Also, Pochita being able to straight-up permakill Devils and rearrange history itself is a massive focus of his worship -- it's not just the constant ressurections.Honestly I just think the fact that THE biggest object of worship around the Chainsaw Devil is that he always gets up after being killed, meaning he dies a ton, is evidence that he's not on DD's level, a being that has existed for as long as humanity has without ever being killed.
* Insert Chainsaw Devil is actually Birth Devil theory here *since the chainsaw was originally invented to cut through bone and cartilage to make room for an infant stuck in the birth canal.
Nah, it's just all of the Division 4 Devils that remember the roar, who are all specifically Chainsaw Man worshippers gathered by Makima, so it makes sense that all of them were killed by/around Pochita. We know Pochita isn't a primal fear because Bat and Leech, 2 Devils who likely regularly reincarnate, had no instinctive fear of Chainsaw Man.Angel Devil does say that all Devils remember one thing from Hell when they're reincarnated onto Earth -- the roar of a chainsaw. So honestly Pochita may be a primal fear for Devils.
Honestly he could be as strong as Buckie and still would be a threat to DD- and all Devils. It's the only way to kill them forever.Also the point of how DD pretty much demanded that Pochita get obliterated still implies that the Hero of Hell is at very least something that may become a legitimate threat
Considering he keeps getting back up, may have some weight actually* Insert Chainsaw Devil is actually Birth Devil theory here *
Ah yeah you're right I misremembered the context. But tbh Bat and Leech seem dumb as bricks tho so I could see them just not having the brainpower to actually feel things like fear unless a reminder of their mortality is being crammed down their throats (I stand by my assessment of their intellect but I do understand that it's not rly a legit argument for Pochita being instinctively feared by other Devils)Nah, it's just all of the Division 4 Devils that remember the roar, who are all specifically Chainsaw Man worshippers gathered by Makima, so it makes sense that all of them were killed by/around Pochita. We know Pochita isn't a primal fear because Bat and Leech, 2 Devils who likely regularly reincarnate, had no instinctive fear of Chainsaw Man.
Tyty, I've been looking into their history a bit trying to figure out what Fujimoto's smoking and what possible irl chainsaw lore he could possibly be using (aside from TCM being a peak horror movie) to justify making Pochita so opThe Chainsaw history lesson was pretty cool though actually.
I consider it fully possible for others to be their peers (like with Falling taking orders from Fami), especially temporarily as depending on topicality a non-primal fear can eclipse a primal fear (for example the Cuban Missile Crisis was probably a more distressing matter for the world at large than the idea of sleeping without a night light), but I do agree that save for a theoretical incoming Armageddon Devil and maybe prime Yoru with her strongest possible weapon, it's impossible until proven otherwise to eclipse them outrightHonestly he could be as strong as Buckie and still would be a threat to DD- and all Devils. It's the only way to kill them forever.
Of course this isn't to imply that The Chainsaw Devil isn't incredibly strong, he's easily part of the top class, I just don't think being stronger than Primals is possible.
He is only like that because he respects Pochita's strength.Beam is absolutely the most devoted worshipper, so I think he's an iffy source.
Nah ain't no way Death isn't a PrimalChainsaw Devil took a telekinetic blast WAY better than Darkness Devil is all I'm saying
Nothing implies the horsemen are below the primal fears, in fact with the more recent chapters implying relativity
Small Town level with Telekinesis (Caused severe damage to the Darkness Devil,[18] making it bleed profusely. Drew blood from the Chainsaw Devil and sent it into space using her telekinetic attacks)[19]
That hax doesn't exist.Makima used her hax that makes the target bleed from every hole in their body, seen when she used in on the Mafia & even was used an extra time in the anime. In fact, DD was using similar hax just panels before it interacted with Makima.
That's not true, it was used by her in chapter 33, and a similar ability was used by the Darkness Devil on Angel. She uses it again in episode 11 of the anime in what I believe is an anime-original scene.That hax doesn't exist.