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The way I see it, old age kinda give you cancer of some sort in certain parts of the body and make them explodes themselves out, seems more suitable for Old Age's theme.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
- Thread starter Rez
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Wait... Guys, is Fumiko dying? HELL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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So Aging Devil has killed Pochita total of four times now
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Why Aging don't just stop the time and decay Pochita? Is he stupid?
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ah yeah, because Aging is clearly in the range of doing that
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Not sure if this is satire but decaying Pochita is the last thing Aging would want. But if he wanted to he could.
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If Pochita is a pile of dust/time is frozen, how is he gonna eat Aging?
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Aging: "I'll save you from Death at Chainsaw Man's hands."
Fumiko: "So we aren't gonna die right?
Aging: "..."
Fumiko: "So we aren't gonna die... right?"
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well she is dying
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Kyoto? Looks like it in chapter 174.
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Aging looking at the Public Saftey members after promising that he would save their lives.
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Decay part was obv joke but the idea of stopping the time opening his mouth and jumping in made sense to me ngl
I thought Aging Time Stop would have a much larger range since DD darkness and Falling Gravity has a much larger range.
I thought Aging Time Stop would have a much larger range since DD darkness and Falling Gravity has a much larger range.
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Fumiko immo2 also confirmed with this chapter
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Aging: "This is a contract, I will save you from Chainsaw Man."
Chainsaw Man: [Kills them]
Aging: [remembers the price for breaking a contract] "...Well I wanted to die anyway."
Death: "A̸r̸e̵ ̷y̵o̴u̸ ̶s̸u̸r̷e̷ ̴a̵b̸o̸u̵t̵ ̷t̴h̶a̸t̷?̴"
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Everywhere I go it's people being happy Fumiko is dying first, and talking about the rest of the chapter second.
If Fujimoto just kills her next chapter after she got a whole ass volume cover and 2nd extra aside piece I'm gonna laugh so hard.
If Fujimoto just kills her next chapter after she got a whole ass volume cover and 2nd extra aside piece I'm gonna laugh so hard.
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I think it'll be funny if she's the only that lives.
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On one hand, Fumiko's got way too many mysteries to just die, but on the other hand, that didn't stop Pochita from offscreening Yoshida.
Thinking about it more, Fumiko's even weirder after this chapter. She's too much of a coward to risk her life against a mob of regular people, and now she's saying this shit.
Like, there is literally nothing consistent about her personality. At least Yoshida's consistently cryptic and jerkish, meanwhile Fumiko has been all over the place since her introduction.
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Crackpot Prediction for Ch. 187/188: Aging BFRs the Public Safety agents into its world to both protect them from Pochita and so they could hold down Denji (and also Asa probably) to stop him from healing Pochita.
Without the regeneration, Pochita gets slammed, and is left flailing while Aging tries to stick its arm down Pochita's throat. In the process, Pochita accidentally hits and decapitates a Public Safety member, who should've been transported to Aging's world.
Holding that agent's body is the diarrhea woman herself, who somehow got out on her own. Aging has broken his end of the contract by failing to stop a Public Safety agent from dying at the hands of Chainsaw Man, which as we know, is punishable by Death.
The gaze of a massive ringed eye falls on Aging's back.
Without the regeneration, Pochita gets slammed, and is left flailing while Aging tries to stick its arm down Pochita's throat. In the process, Pochita accidentally hits and decapitates a Public Safety member, who should've been transported to Aging's world.
Holding that agent's body is the diarrhea woman herself, who somehow got out on her own. Aging has broken his end of the contract by failing to stop a Public Safety agent from dying at the hands of Chainsaw Man, which as we know, is punishable by Death.
The gaze of a massive ringed eye falls on Aging's back.
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I'm on break, so I'm going to work on upgrades, however, I will ignore scaling for certain characters until Part 2 is over.
Also, I'm gonna attempt to get the calc's evald again, since they are important for the new scaling.
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Lucky, I've still got two finals on Thursday.
I got a prototype of the Mega CRT post which talked about the calcs
Part 0: New Calcs
Part 1: Revised Calcs / Two Chains
Besides the new stuff, almost all of Chainsaw Man's existing AP calcs are getting replaced, redone, or reevaluated. How so is up for debate.
Part 2: The Scaling / The Easy Part
We've been discussing this one for weeks, it's like 99% sorted. The 1% that isn't can just use possibly/at leasts until we get more answers later.
Baseline - Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT
- 28% Gun Devil Erupts from Mount Elbrus: 35.89 kilotons of TNT
- 100% Gun Devil's First Rampage: 15.94 megatons of TNT
- Gun Goddess Shoots Japan from New York: 166.47 megatons of TNT
Part 1: Revised Calcs / Two Chains
Besides the new stuff, almost all of Chainsaw Man's existing AP calcs are getting replaced, redone, or reevaluated. How so is up for debate.
- Power Smashes Cucumber Devil: 6.72 kg of TNT
- No Change
- Fox Chomps Building: 27.75 kg of TNT
- Recalced to 55.50 / 339.69 kg of TNT
- Hybrid Denji's Durability: 8.04 tons of TNT
- Might be reevaluated to 807.62 kg of TNT
- Bat Devil's Sonic Cannon: 91.14 tons of TNT
- Might be reevalued to 9.14 tons of TNT
- Pochita's Hybrid Sandwich Dropkick: 404.38 tons of TNT
- Recalced to 81.53 / 498.96 tons of TNT
- 20% Gun Devil Kinetic Energy: 9.15 kilotons
- Replaced with 28% Gun Devil Erupts from Mount Elbrus: 35.89 kilotons of TNT (see above)
- 9-A Fox -> 8-C Denji -> High 8-C Sonic Attack -> 8-B Sandwich Kick
- 8-C Fox -> High 8-C Denji -> 8-B Sonic Attack -> 8-A Sandwich Kick
| Use Low End: | Use High End: | Use Other Option: |
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| [Names of people who agree here] | [Names of people who agree here] | [Names of people who think a third thing] |
Part 2: The Scaling / The Easy Part
We've been discussing this one for weeks, it's like 99% sorted. The 1% that isn't can just use possibly/at leasts until we get more answers later.
Baseline - Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT
- Initial Power (Duh)
- Initial Denji (Fights with Power)
- Pre-Assault Aki (Fought Denji)
- Himeno, Kobeni, etc... (Should be at least comparable to Pre-Assault Aki)
- Akane Sawatari (Former Devil Hunter)
- Pingtsi, Long, Cosmo, Tsugihagi (Are fiends)
- Fiend Beam (Is a fiend)
- Zombies under Akane (Are basically devils, got wrecked by Post-Training Power)
- Dolls under Pre-Darknesss Santa (At most, can be killed by Fox Devil's Paw, Beam, and even Cosmo)
- Pseudo-Chainsaw Men (Same shtick as Zombies and Dolls)
- Pre-Assault Aki w/ Fox (Duh)
- Angel's Physicals (As a full-on Devil in the Special Division he should at least be somewhere around Fox)
- Post-Assault Aki (Took a punch from the Ghost Devil without dying, performed identically to Angel against Quanxi)
- Post-Training Power (Can harm Post-Assault Aki and single-handedly take down loads of zombies)
- Post-Training Denji (Still gets into fights with Power, same scaling goes for Weakened and Current since Fear Scaling shouldn't affect his human form)
- Human Reze (At least, wrecked Post-Training Denji, later snapped his neck)
- Masked Violence (At the very least; Reze took him seriously, while she was totally unfazed by Fox biting her, better than Beam who got one-shot)
- Initial Hybrid Denji (Duh)
- Bat Devil (At most, weaker but comparable to Initial Denji's physicals)
- Initial Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Bat)
- Himeno's Ghost Arm (Harmed Eternity w/ Gun Flesh, who can hurt Hybrid Denji)
- Cockroach Devil (At least, flattened Bat by falling him)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (At least, knocked around Cockroach)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Cockroach)
- Princi / Spider Devil (At least, should be comparable to Cockroach via Fear Scaling, I Will Die On This Hill)
- Devil Form Beam (At least, took a hit from Hybrid Reze meant for Post-Training Hybrid Denji and didn't die, albeit was one-tapped)
- Weakened Falling's Physicals (Absolute bare minimum, stopped Hybrid Denji with one finger, killed him with a kick, flicked him in half)
- Post-Training Denji (Fought Katana Man)
- Post-Training Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, bisected Katana Man when he ran into his legsaw, cut off Reze's leg, cut off Daytime Santa's arms)
- Katana Man (Damaged Ghost, can match Denji, was exhausted in their previous clash when he was weaker)
- Katana Man's Piercing Damage (Much higher, can chop off Post-Training Denji's limbs)
- Ghost Devil (Fearscales above Bat)
- Aki's Curse Sword (Can hurt Katana Man)
- Aki's Angel Katana (At least, can disarm the Ghost Devil and Hybrid Reze)
- Hybrid Reze's Physicals (At least as strong as Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Aki's Angel Katana (At least, can disarm the Ghost Devil and Hybrid Reze)
- Angel Devil w/ Typical Weapons (The strongest Division 4 Agent besides Kishibe, typical weapons should be comparable to Aki's Katana)
- Kishibe's Physicals (The strongest agent in Special Division 4, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, took several hits from casual Quanxi with little damage)
- Yoshida's Physicals (Held his own and did damage to a casual Quanxi), higher with Octopus
- Daytime Santa (Bonked Post-Training Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
- Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can harm Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Blood Devil Power's Physicals (Pochita told her she'd come back as a powerful Devil, putting her at least above Bat)
- Zombies under Makima (Harmed Blood Devil Power, slowed down Pochita Clone as a mob)
- Whip Woman (Can destroy Public Safety Uniforms)
- Kobeni w/ Knife (Can pierce through Public Safety Uniforms, which can withstand Quick Draw's Piercing Damage with no damage)
- Akane w/ Snake Devil (One-shot the Ghost Devil, who could stab through Katana Man with its hands)
- Hybrid Reze's Explosions (Blew off Nomo's arm through his uniform, turned Denji into a burnt chicken nuggest, including his chainsaws)
- Unmasked Violence (At least, shredded his uniform just by transforming)
- Kishibe w/ Knives (Contracts described as fearsome by Pingtsi, Knife Devil should be here just by Fear Scaling)
- Human Quanxi's Physicals (Hurt Yoru, could kill Yoshida with one direct hit, bite into Fumiko who's somehow more durable than Public Safety Uniforms(???))
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru (Cut out of Octopus, took a kick from Quanxi, lost an exchange but was missing an arm to be fair)
- Hybrid Barem (Duh- this calc is only relevant if the low ends are passed, otherwise he just upscales to 100 tons of TNT)
- Hybrid Miri (Duh)
- Post-Fear Boost Denji (Impaled Hybrid Miri)
- Human Quanxi w/ sword (Decapitated Hybrid Miri)
- Hybrid Quanxi (At least, also took the feat, stronger than Denji)
- Pochita Clone (Got a double KO w/ Hybrid Quanxi)
- Hybrid Quanxi's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than her physicals)
- Pochita Clone's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than his physicals)
- Unmasked Violence (Possibly, only character besides Makima Darkness used the sword against, although he didn't do as well as Makima)
- Fiend Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can stab Hybrid Quanxi)
- Makima (Literally punched off Chainsaw Man's limbs, breaking his saws on one occasion)
- Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation (Harmed Makima)
- Denji w/ Power Saw (Harmed Makima)
- Nighttime Santa (Caught and snapped Hybrid Quanxi's arrows, flyswatted Post-Training Hybrid Denji, thought she had the power to kill Makima)
- Angel w/ Millenium Spear (At least, wrecked Weakened Pochita)
- 20% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 20 = 25.63 kilotons)
- Makima's Finger Gun (At least, implied to be a result of her beating the 20% Gun Devil, sent Pochita into space)
- Part 1 Pochita (At least, took four bangs with only minimal damage)
- Spear Man's Spears (Pierced straight through Pochita)
- 100% Gun Devil (35.8893/28 * 100 = 128.18 kilotons)
- Part 1 Pochita (Maybe, given past feats)
- Makima's Finger Gun (Maybe, harmed Pochita)
- Spear Man's Spears (Maybe)
- Part 2 Pochita (At least, via Fear Scaling)
- Primal Fears (At least, maybe only here depending on what happens next)
- 100% Gun Devil (Via suicide attack, as just traveling through air at this speed caused at least 37% of its body to shear off in the process, meaning it's unlikely it would survive attacking an opponent this way. Also, the Gun Devil does not fight by ramming)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Call to Arms (At least, did more damage to Part 2 Pochita than the 100% Gun Devil's speed did to itself)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Gun Goddess (Duh)
- Part 2 Pochita (Maybe)
- Primal Fears (Maybe)
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I have a final tomorrow and one on Thursday.
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Dang, I wish you good luck on studying!
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I can give the scaling more feats and evidence so people wont have to second guess it.
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Cool, you can copy n' paste this and add that in. I just altered the table in Part 1 since the details can go in the thread itself.
Which one? The 100% Gun Devil KE?
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The Gun Devil is a threat to the world = Low 2-C asf
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With this I introduce you crackpot theory number 2: Contracts are made true by the power of Death.
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That's something I've thought about before, since Death being the enforcer of contracts would give a bigger position/purpose to her being the absolute strongest Devil, besides the fact that logically all fear is rationally or irrationally connected to a fear of dying.
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I'll add in the fodder-end: Mantis Devil (my goat need more recognition, it tried it's best).
Mantis devil has shown to be able to:
1: dug a hole through the ground with ease
2: Hurt Yuko Devil form (a huge scratch on one of her tentacles)
Through some rough calc, I had this number for #1:
2.16x10^6 J -> digging through ground with ease, easily mid wall level. Align with scratching Yuko devil form's tentacle, which could easily shred through a whole floor of her school. Piercing damage could scale it a lil bit higher.
Durability: Get neg diff by Yuko's same tentacle, so wall level is really plausible.
Lesson learned today: Who tf scared of a mantis?
Tomato devil: Probably really weak, got mid diff my malnutrition Denji and gud boi Pochiter. Probably small building level on both dura and AP considering it's size, speed would probably be not too fast, probably really weak to piercing attack (got neg by mid tree level Pochiter).
Gud boi Pochiter:
+Alone: Sad boi level, he got really sad, probably will be as dangerous as a chainsaw that can move fast.
+With Denij: Happy boi level, faster and having more reach + power thanks to Denji.
AP: not high, but have good piercing power. Dura is really low, got neg along with Denji by a normal Yakuza guy with a knife.
Yakuza zombies: My guess is they're as strong as the zombies you see in zombies movie, superhuman level of strength, speed is athlete level. Denji and Pochiter will probably neg diff if they fight each of them a time.
Coffee devil: got off screened to a low tier devil by Makima (statement diff). I probably solo with a sword.
And finally, that fodder devil child Denji killed. Malnutrition child with a smoll chainsaw level. I can solo it with pure punches.
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We don't have profiles for them
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Then I'll create one (if I feel goated enough)
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I actually have a calc for the Mantis Devil
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Idn it's not confirmed he's jumping because we don't see it. /j
Safe to say we can now use the building dropkick feat to get lifting strength without it being a possibly rating. It was so stupid that people argued against that.
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