Celestial Chaos| Bill Cipher vs Alien X | 3-5-0

[Brogeefrong]

According to Alien X's Page, Alien X has Eternal Life, Regeneration, and Transcendental Immortality which means characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed.

His transcendented Immortality is based on his real conscious being somewhere else, requiring 2-A range to reach, which Bill has

Also in the show, a character stated that Alien X had the potential to wish everything out of Existence.

Bill has Low Godly Regeneration, Low Godly Regeneration can restore someone from complete erasure, X does not have any npi for Souls, Minds, etc, so he cannot negate Low Godly Regeneration

Also, the people that Bill possessed scale to somewhere in the 8-C through 8-A region

That would be an outlier

while Alien X scales to 2-A and possibly 1-B.

2-A Alien X is used in this fight not 1-B

Also, Alien X is a being who has Acausality Type 4

Bill also has it

and Alien X can easily travel to locations outside the Universe like the Forge

found justifcation on Bill's dimensional travel

and don't forget Bill Cipher is not resistant to Existance Erasure

Bill can regenerate from being erased from existence

and Alien X has that ability and would erase Bill from the Physical World leaving his mindscape form erased.

He cannot erase his mindscape since he has no Npi for Souls or Minds according to his profile, and Bill has NEP for his Mind and Soul

 

[Brogeefrong]

what even were our reasons for bill winning again i forgot

Subjective reality, Mind Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Power Null and probablity manipulation

 

[BrainiacWorld]

Subjective reality, Mind Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Power Null and probablity manipulation

Power Nullification only works within the Mindscape

 

[BrainiacWorld]

This is a PHYSICAL fight so Bill Cipher's Invisibility, Incorporeality and Nonexistent Physiology are limited due to them applying only to Bill's Mindscape Form

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

what even were our reasons for bill winning again i forgot

1- Probability manipulation
2- Madness Manipulation
3- Ewpowerment
4- Power Nulification

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

This is a PHYSICAL fight so Bill Cipher's Invisibility, Incorporeality and Nonexistent Physiology are limited due to them applying only to Bill's Mindscape Form

He still can use his Power nulification lol

 

[BrainiacWorld]

Would Power Nullification work on someone who primarily uses Hand-to-Hand combat rather than his abilities? Because Alien X is alot more combative than Bill

 

[Brogeefrong]

This is a PHYSICAL fight so Bill Cipher's Invisibility, Incorporeality and Nonexistent Physiology are limited due to them applying only to Bill's Mindscape Form

His Soul and Mind would still be apart of his physical body

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Would Power Nullification work on someone who primarily uses Hand-to-Hand combat rather than his abilities? Because Alien X is alot more combative than Bill

It would If Alien X create something like a Black Hole

 

[Brogeefrong]

Would Power Nullification work on someone who primarily uses Hand-to-Hand combat rather than his abilities? Because Alien X is alot more combative than Bill

Would nullify X's powers but probably not his physical power, however it wouldnt do him any good fighting Bill

 

[BrainiacWorld]

There is a Difference in the Mindscape and the Physical Form. In the Mindscape Bill was a Nonexistant Being and was invisible to the human eye until he entered your dream and in the Physical World, he has a form meaning he is now an existant being but he can still use some of his Abilites like Electricity Manipulation, Portal Creation, and more

 

[BrainiacWorld]

It would If Alien X create something like a Black Hole

But Alien X only did that in his fight with Galactic Gladiator which was another Celestialsapien but most of that fight was hand to hand combat

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Looking better at this match, Alien X can win If he Knock out Bill before he get stronger than him or use his Mad Manipulation, but this is unlikely

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

But Alien X only did that in his fight with Galactic Gladiator which was another Celestialsapien but most of that fight was hand to hand combat

Yes, but IF he does something like that Bill can simple use his Power Nulification

 

[BrainiacWorld]

Would nullify X's powers but probably not his physical power, however it wouldnt do him any good fighting Bill

When Alien X created the Black Hole, he did so by duplicating himself and spinning so fast it resulted in a Black Hole that engulfed a Galaxy Sized Galactic Gladiator

 

[BrainiacWorld]

Yes, but IF he does something like that Bill can simple use his Power Nulification

I think Power Nullification only works on weaker beings not beings of equal or greater power

 

[Brogeefrong]

There is a Difference in the Mindscape and the Physical Form. In the Mindscape Bill was a Nonexistant Being and was invisible to the human eye until he entered your dream and in the Physical World, he has a form meaning he is now an existant being but he can still use some of his Abilites like Electricity Manipulation, Portal Creation, and more

Bill's non existent physiology still applies to his Mind/Soul, which is a fundemental aspect that makes Bill, so while X can damage and possibly destroy Bill's physical body, he would still his mindscape existing and regenerate from that

 

[BrainiacWorld]

You do realize Alien X can also regenerate right?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Looking better at this match, Alien X can win If he Knock out Bill before he get stronger than him or use his Mad Manipulation, but this is unlikely

Nah, Bill's got self sustenace to combat that

 

[BrainiacWorld]

He is also Transcendental Immortal

 

[BrainiacWorld]

Nah, Bill's got self sustenace to combat that

Self Sustenance means he can live without food or water

 

[Brogeefrong]

You do realize Alien X can also regenerate right?

His regeneration is only Mid-High compared to Bill's Low Godly

He is also Transcendental Immortal

Based on his real conscious being somewhere else, which Bill can reach

Self Sustenance means he can live without food or water

Type 3 means you dont need sleep, thus cannot be knocked out

When Alien X created the Black Hole, he did so by duplicating himself and spinning so fast it resulted in a Black Hole that engulfed a Galaxy Sized Galactic Gladiator

Bill could just teleport

I think Power Nullification only works on weaker beings not beings of equal or greater power

Nah Powernull works as long as you can interact with a user although iirc they need be showm what they can nullify

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Nah, Bill's got self sustenace to combat that

Makes sense, i guess?

 

[StrymULTRA]

what even were our reasons for bill winning again i forgot

NEP Soul/Mind and Low Godly regen based on it, the fact that most of AX's powers are already countered from Bill and madness hax being able to easily incapacitate him, as Bill has 2-A range after all.

 

[GarrixianXD]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

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[Greenshifter]

requiring 2-A range to reach

Above baseline. Bill also doesn't know where it is or that Alien X has it right?

Bill has Low Godly Regeneration, Low Godly Regeneration can restore someone from complete erasure, X does not have any npi for Souls, Minds, etc, so he cannot negate Low Godly Regeneration

History EE > soul and mind EE

Nah Powernull works as long as you can interact with a user

NLF

 

[StrymULTRA]

Above baseline. Bill also doesn't know where it is or that Alien X has it right?

Bill has cosmic awareness on a 2-A scale, so yes?

History EE > soul and mind EE
NLF

How is AX EE needing High Godly to survive? If it's just destroying the cosmology, Bill has durability high enough to take it.

Plus is not NLF, given that AX doesn't have a resistance to power null and his powers aren't anything Bill can't interact with, as he has NPI on Type 2 concepts.

 

[Greenshifter]

Bill has cosmic awareness on a 2-A scale, so yes?

Ah nvm, guess he could piece it together then. Only issue is the above baseline thing then.

How is AX EE needing High Godly to survive? If it's just destroying the cosmology, Bill has durability high enough to take it.

It's erasing the cosmology, not just destroying it, so he'd need EE resistance. VSBW decided that erasing someone's history is fundamental for... reasons Ig? The cosmology also contains the Afterlife and Legerdomain which is made of mana so.

Plus is not NLF, given that AX doesn't have a resistance to power null

Unconventional one and I was targeting his general logic rather than this specific instance.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Doesnt history EE get countered by Bill having Acausality Type 4?

 

[Greenshifter]

Doesnt history EE get countered by Bill having Acausality Type 4?

Not really, the EE is fundamental enough to interact with all of his aspects is the point.

 

[Greenshifter]

Funnily enough madness hax should still work (for now), since it's based on the personalities seeing Bill's true form so it doesn't function under the conventional range mechanics.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Not really, the EE is fundamental enough to interact with all of his aspects is the point.

On the text manipulation page, History changing leads to causality manipulation, can X’s causality manip work on type 4’s?

 

[Greenshifter]

On the text manipulation page, History changing leads to causality manipulation, can X’s causality manip work on type 4’s?

Not even remotely the point.

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

Bump since this is only two votes away from grace.

Also while skimming over both profiles, could Bill trick X through any means?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Also while skimming over both profiles, could Bill trick X through any means?

I think so? But he never tried to trick someone during a battle so it would be OOC

 

[Greenshifter]

Bump since this is only two votes away from grace.

Also while skimming over both profiles, could Bill trick X through any means?

Aren't most of the votes nulled since Bill doesn't actually have the range to hurt AX?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Aren't most of the votes nulled since Bill doesn't actually have the range to hurt AX?

Bill has 2-A range

 

[Greenshifter]

Bill has 2-A range

And AX's pocket dimension is outside of a 2-A multiverse.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

And AX's pocket dimension is outside of a 2-A multiverse.

According to his profile:

"For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have 2-A or 1-B range (depends on the key being used) and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)"

So you guys would need to change this