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Carnage vs Lucy - Death Battle version
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Lucy can´t kill Carnage. Carnage just have to keep recovering until Lucy´s stamina goes to 0. Carnage will win unless Death Battle bring some weird stuffs that probably are incorrect.
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Yeah, there's really no way for Lucy to win, the regen is too much to handle.
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Actually... If Lucy goes melting form and concentrates all her vectors on and around Carnage, yes she can kill him by turning the whole body into minced meat. But,
1) Carnage is faster and will dodge the attack, leaving Lucy a wide opening.
2) Carnage can simply outlast Lucy due to better stamina.
3) Carnage can still plant a Symbiote bomb and do hokuto shinken on Lucy.
1) Carnage is faster and will dodge the attack, leaving Lucy a wide opening.
2) Carnage can simply outlast Lucy due to better stamina.
3) Carnage can still plant a Symbiote bomb and do hokuto shinken on Lucy.
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The VSBW profile for Lucy says that melting form is her strongest form, yet she melts just by staying in this form for too long.Seventy96 said:
Lucy can kill Carnage if she can tap into this form and concentrate all the vectors into one attack that can perfectly land on and cover the target letting it no room for escape. But, this is going to be hard to do against a much faster and much more durable opponent.
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dissasmble his body by tearing it apart piece by piece until there's nothing leftHuesito88 said:
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Carnage has many ways to kill Lucy, I'm not sure if Lucy has the ability to kill Carnage. Will cutting off Carnage's head kill him? Will crushing his whole body with a huge Vector kill him? I don't think so. The only thing I can think of is a very accurate or absurdly powerful Vector Nuke Attack. Elfen Lied isn't very long and doesn't focus on what the Diclonius can REALLY do with their Vectors so speculation is all we've got a fair amount of the time. For example, before Lucy went into her whole EoS form she used up a huge amount of energy before then and was seemingly awake without proper rest for at least a whole day and basically nuked a small island among other things. You could say Lucy won't have that problem in the actual Death Battle, but that's the best "best case scenario" I can come up with but it will probably only delay the inevitable.
In Screw Attack's Death Battle, a victor is decided on a death, nothing else works. Nothing like a BFR counts. Maybe Lucy could turn Carnage into a pile of goop but he'd still regenerate from that and he could perform a sneak attack or something. I love Elfen Lied and Lucy, but as was stated before, Carnage has many ways to kill Lucy and I'm not sure if Lucy can kill Carnage at all... or at least not kill Carnage before Lucy melts.
In Screw Attack's Death Battle, a victor is decided on a death, nothing else works. Nothing like a BFR counts. Maybe Lucy could turn Carnage into a pile of goop but he'd still regenerate from that and he could perform a sneak attack or something. I love Elfen Lied and Lucy, but as was stated before, Carnage has many ways to kill Lucy and I'm not sure if Lucy can kill Carnage at all... or at least not kill Carnage before Lucy melts.
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Lucy can beat him with her 6-B form, how you might ask? Broly style death, if she just manages to grab carnage with all her giant vectors and thow him towards the sun it's GG. (he may survive it but he'll be stuck there.
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Actually, good point. That's how Kirby beat Buu there.
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The real cal howard said:
The problem is whether Lucy will be smart enough to BFR Carnage with that move performed by Superman on Doomsday Round 2, Kirby on Buu in Death Battle or even Sentry on Carnage in canon - since her intelligence actually drop as she went melting eos mode. And if that ultimate move misses, Carnage just needs to wait till Lucy melts down - and Lucy will as well kill herself before Carnage kills her.Newendigo said:
Or, if Carnage wants to end things quickly, he can activate the symbiote bomb somehow planted on her previously - Lucy wa mou shin deiru
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How long does it take for him to regen? A sample of him can easily be wiped out even by the weakest version of lucy if it's small enoughHuesito88 said:
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The problem is whether Lucy will be smart enough to BFR Carnage with that move performed by Superman on Doomsday Round 2, Kirby on Buu in Death Battle or even Sentry on Carnage in canon - since her intelligence actually drop as she went melting eos mode.Newendigo said:
Lucy and other Diclonius have been shown to be much smarter than their age would indicate, like how Lucy learned to discretely kill people in public by moving a blood vessel in people's brain when she was around 8 years old (I think, age and time aren't given that often). Whether or not they actually have something like Genius level intellect or whether they just absorb information faster isn't really confirmed. Lucy's Vectors can reach into space so I don't see why Lucy couldn't throw Carnage to the sun, but the real question is whether or not Lucy could catch Carnage at all. Besides, Lucy only lost her intelligence in EoS mode because the "DNA Voice" took control and went rage mode, "If I'm going to die, I'm taking ALL of you with me!"
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The G1 Death Battle Team prediction blog on this match
A close call on their standards, but they did wank on Lucy (no pun intended).
A close call on their standards, but they did wank on Lucy (no pun intended).
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When does he battle come out for first members?
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Ok I'll unfollow this thread around that time to avoid Spoilers.
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I wonder if they will use melting EoS Lucy.
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Peeps please learn to use spoiler quotes for discussions or unfollow this thread until the whole battle will come out in Youtube at around 15 August 13:00 EST.GallantKnight X said:
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| Yes Melting EoS Lucy was used. |
| Reports of serious downplay on Carnage were observed. And Death Battle's big picture approach - which was properly used in Strange vs Fate - was not shown here on my radar. |
| Lucy won by a precise nuke of giant vector strike on Carnage. |
| Next time is... Optimus Prime vs RX-78-2 Gundam. ... which Gundam can kill which Optimus Prime seriously does this need a Death Battle episode to answer? |
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Lucy's highest speed feat in her profile, if we take it as the feat is described, would be around Mach 485 if we assume the outermost layer of the atmosphere. That's almost five times faster than Carnage.
I've also heard that in the same state, she was able to wrap her vectors around the entire planet and vibrate it. In that case I don't know how Carnage can combat it.
@Jasonsith
Your death-battle related spoiler tab doesn't spoil the result of the Death Battle, does it?
I've also heard that in the same state, she was able to wrap her vectors around the entire planet and vibrate it. In that case I don't know how Carnage can combat it.
@Jasonsith
Your death-battle related spoiler tab doesn't spoil the result of the Death Battle, does it?
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It does.
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oh frick i thought Carnage was only Mach 100 lmbo
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Jasonsith said:
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| Although I do not agree with the outcome based on what little info I have, I'm still in some way happy to see that Lucy won. When has Lucy shown that she can accurately nuke anything? Vector Nuke Attacks have been used by Lucy twice (I read through the whole manga again thanks to the Death Battle about a week ago but I might have missed stuff) so she can obviously do it, but I don't know if anything was given to show that she can use the attack accurately or if it's purely some sort of rage mode "**** this area in particular" attack. |
| What do you mean by "Death Battle's big picture approach" anyway? |
| The only version of Optimus I can see the RX-78 being able to defeat would be either Bayformers Prime or maybe Transformers Prime Optumus without the Star Saber. Every other version of Optimus is WAY out of the RX-78's league. Once again with battles like Samus vs Boba Fett, the thematic similarities are easy to see why this Death Battle exists, not that it's a fair fight. |
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re TheAccursedHunter01
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| (Recovered a lil bit from a short sleep... lost sleep because of doom from next time on DB...) Sort of dreamt of Kouta embracing Lucy crying under NDF escort and Cletus slowly recovered from smitherine while surrounded by The Avengers and Sinister Six. |
| If the vector nuke attack could nuke an island instead of smashing it, well the AoE would make it hard for Carnage to escape while Lucy still needs some extra spare vectors to shield Lucy herself from splash damage to herself. Lucy is not very accurate using this attack but the accuracy factor can be easily compensated by the AoE advantage. Also a nuke instead of a smash would also mean fire attacks which may do super effective damage against Carnage. So yes obviously one possible way of killing Carnage by Death Battle standard. |
| The big picture approach goes like this: (please advise if I have missed out something) Think out some major possibilities the character can finish the opponent off given their stats and powers, then assess their probabilities. Like in Raven and Twilight they briefly assessed the ways that one opponent can kill the other, and concluded that Raven has a more reliable way to bestow the power source of Twilight. But chances are still there Twilight may one-shot Raven before she does anything. Or in Android 18 vs Captain Marvel, they assess that Android 18 can either stop Captain Marvel from absorbing sufficient energy to become binary mode, or outlast CM binary mode, or even sneak attack CM since they consider CM is sort of a glass cannon. Even if CM may in a few case defeat Android 18 in her Binary form. |
| True. Yeah the thematic similarities are easy to see why this Death Battle exists (traditional East meets West (sort of) giant robot fights), not that it's a fair fight. (iirc among the Japan giant robot franchises lie Getter Robot, Mazinger Z, Evangelions, etc. just that Gundam is relatively weak among the giant robot franchises, and RX-78-2 is an antique in the Gundam franchise - just slightly stronger than the massively produced types of Gundams e.g. GMs, land-combat Gundam etc. Maybe I shall raise some VS debate topics about Bayformers Prime or maybe Transformers Prime Optimus Prime some time on Thursday.) |
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re Standuser081 and Newendigo
Newendigo: I would recommend you use spoiler brackets to discuss next time combatants on Death Battle so as to avoid "cross-border" forum rule enforcement issues.
Newendigo: I would recommend you use spoiler brackets to discuss next time combatants on Death Battle so as to avoid "cross-border" forum rule enforcement issues.
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| Yes, considering this is a close/"crap shoot" matchup possibly screwed up by Screwattack, another Marvel character lost, another male character was cherrypicked against a (seems to be massively) stronger female character and then lost, the Marvel male character is downplayed, and the results contradicted with our forum findings of similar matchups. |
| Seriously how can they screw up Optimus Prime's shoe-in victory? (Well they screwed up their research even in Samurai Jack vs Afro Samurai yet still got the victor right.) |
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Well, in Jotaro VS Kenshiro, Screwattack messed up the research for both characters big time, but still got the right victor. But I do suspect that they might have done that on purpose to hide the fact that the match was a huge stomp.
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They have done that more obviously on Crash vs Spyro and Sora vs Pit. Or Tracer vs Scout. (Ditto) Hell even Jack vs Afro.Standuser081 said:
They just say they want to do mostly matchups which are within top 10% well requested shown in their suggestion form poll. They avoid stomps only at their discretion and if research is done and is shown any matchup to be a stomp they would not scrap it anyway. Or they would have avoided that due to lack of close connections.
