Can Yogiri affect/kill characters with Transduality or Type 2 NEP?

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

^ As the title

 

[ImmortalDread]

Which type of transduality are we talking about?

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Which type of transduality are we talking about?

Well, I don't understand much about Transduality, so let's try all 3 types.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

^ As the title

Lower dimensional existence definitely yes. Yogiri just need to destroy the plane of existence.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Lower dimensional existence definitely yes. Yogiri just need to destroy the plane of existence.

Pretty sure TD 2 and NEP2 aren't dependent on dimensionality like other hax since they wouldn't inhabit a plane of existence due to nonexistent nature..

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Pretty sure TD 2 and NEP2 aren't dependent on dimensionality like other hax since they wouldn't inhabit a plane of existence due to nonexistent nature..

Even TD3 is dependent on plane of existence. Only NEP type 2 is independent. But it also depends on feats. You can check the explanation page. You won't be surviving a dimensionality collapse without feats.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Pretty sure TD 2 and NEP2 aren't dependent on dimensionality like other hax since they wouldn't inhabit a plane of existence due to nonexistent nature..

They are.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Even TD3 is dependent on plane of existence. Only NEP type 2 is independent. But it also depends on feats. You can check the explanation page. You won't be surviving a dimensionality collapse without feats.

Can I have the link to the explanation page? Thanks.

 

[ImmortalDread]

@EldemadeDityjon Even NEP 2 is dependent, unless the verse shows it otherwise.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Let's say the dimensionality is equal.

Short answer:
No

Long answer:
In this wiki, Yogiri cannot affect NEP 2 or TD 2 and TD 3. TD 1 is specific so depending on what they are being "Transdual to" Yogiri could or might couldn't affect them. But outside of this wiki, in another wiki standard where the standard of TD and NEP is different, pretty sure he could.

Dread and Elde already explained the alternative ways Yogiri could kill them without directly affecting them.

 

[Kavliaris]

Even TD3 is dependent on plane of existence. Only NEP type 2 is independent. But it also depends on feats. You can check the explanation page. You won't be surviving a dimensionality collapse without feats.

Is this an example of surviving a cosmological collapse? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/T...stroyed in the Manifoldverse’s total collapse

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Is this an example of surviving a cosmological collapse? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Downstreamers#The_Old_Ones:~:text=, Regeneration (High-Godly; Can even ‘regenerate’ into a more effective and powerful form after their neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational form was destroyed in the Manifoldverse’s total collapse

Yeah.

Can I have the link to the explanation page? Thanks.

No problem

Nonexistent Physiology

Nothing proceeds from nothingness, as also nothing passes away from nonexistence.Marcus Aurelius Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular...

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Note: The aspects in which a character is not nonexistent in the common sense are what makes them into a 'living' character. As such, if a character with this power is reduced to a state in which they can't display any properties of something that exists (e.g. becomes unable to take any actions), they are effectively dead/erased. A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

 

[Fixxed]

TD 3 probably yes, NEP 2, i will say no

Yeah like if you lack of soul, no matter how higher their existence they cannot soul manip you. Because what soul that they will manipulated??

Higher existence cannot effect or kill the nonexistence's state, but they can destroy the plane that make you exist or the existence' state and make you yeah lose. Yeah because VsB say you must display some properties of existence for assume that you not "death"

Higher dimension being cant effect or kill NEP 2 without feats

 

[ImmortalDread]

Thanks for sharing your opinion fixxed, but in this wiki they are dependent.

 

[ShionAH]

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Sun Wukong was born from a magical stone formed from chaos. Upon hatching into the world he lived most of his life on The Mountain of Flowers and Fruit. There he joined and lived with a large group of monkeys eventually discovering a secret cave that the monkeys could use as their new home. The...

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This is the one he has to effect btw.

 

[Fixxed]

Thanks for sharing your opinion fixxed, but in this wiki they are dependent.

No, the existence is dependent but the nonexistence not, unless the verse show otherwise

 

[ImmortalDread]

Thank you for sharing your perspective once more, however, the wiki does not treat this in that manner.

 

[Fixxed]

Yeah the wiki treat like that

 

[ImmortalDread]

No, the wiki treats NEP 2 as dependent and it is on the page.

 

[Fixxed]

Where in the page say NEP 2 dependent?? I just see character lose because they cannot display some properties of existence that make them unable to take action then effectively "dead"

 

[Robo432343]

monkey man has nep type 2

 

[ImmortalDread]

Where in the page say NEP 2 dependent?? I just see character lose because they cannot display some properties of existence that make them unable to take action then effectively "dead"

Note: The aspects in which a character is not nonexistent in the common sense are what makes them into a 'living' character. As such, if a character with this power is reduced to a state in which they can't display any properties of something that exists (e.g. becomes unable to take any actions), they are effectively dead/erased. A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

 

[Georredannea15]

All haxes As long as it is not smurf, you can negation it with a higher-dimensional AP, higher-dimensional existence, or another higher-dimensional hax.

 

[Robo432343]

this is base yogiri vs monke

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

This is the one he has to effect btw.

Unlike most other people on this site, Yogiri supporters are not interested in Vs match.

 

[ImmortalDread]

All haxes As long as it is not smurf, you can negation it with a higher-dimensional AP, higher-dimensional existence, or another higher-dimensional hax.

You can negate*

But ya, you got the point here.

 

[Georredannea15]

You can negate*

But ya, you got the point here.

Some people think NEP 2 is what it used to be, but now all hax including NEP 2 can be negate with higher dimensional AP, hax or existence

 

[ImmortalDread]

The note is clear, people need to read it properly.

 

[Georredannea15]

The note is clear, people need to read it properly.

+1

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Let's say the dimensionality is equal.

Short answer:
No

Long answer:
In this wiki, Yogiri cannot affect NEP 2 or TD 2 and TD 3. TD 1 is specific so depending on what they are being "Transdual to" Yogiri could or might couldn't affect them. But outside of this wiki, in another wiki standard where the standard of TD and NEP is different, pretty sure he could.

Dread and Elde already explained the alternative ways Yogiri could kill them without directly affecting them.

What about unequal dimensionality?

 

[Georredannea15]

What about unequal dimensionality?

If unequal intent is higher dimensionality, it can easily affect NEP2 or TD3.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Alright. Fair enough. Cuz I saw someone say in this thread a long time ago that Yogiri can't affect Type 2 NEP, so just want to make sure.

 

[Georredannea15]

Alright. Fair enough. Cuz I saw someone say in this thread a long time ago that Yogiri can't affect Type 2 NEP, so just want to make sure.

If it's a lower dimensional NEP2 yes he can negate

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Alright. Fair enough. Cuz I saw someone say in this thread a long time ago that Yogiri can't affect Type 2 NEP, so just want to make sure.

Well as I said if that character can exists even after you destroyed/erased his plane of existence then yes Yogiri can't affect him. Otherwise Yogiri negs.

 

[Fixxed]

@ImmortalDread

A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.

Yes of course needs to display some existence properties. But there are no in that quote say nonexistence is dependent on plane of existence

The character lose because they are unable to take any action anymore that make them effectively dead

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Well as I said if that character can exists even after you destroyed/erased his plane of existence then yes Yogiri can't affect him. Otherwise Yogiri negs.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Robo432343]

Wait so
a higher dimensional being cant affect a lower D being if they have NEP type 2 or transduality
or is it the opposite

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Wait so
a higher dimensional being cant affect a lower D being if they have NEP type 2 or transduality
or is it the opposite

Well, to sum up everything I've seen so far on this thread, a higher-dimensional being can kill a lower-dimensional being with Type 2 NEP or Transduality, as long as the lower-dimensional being has no feats of existing even after you destroyed/erased his plane of existence.

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait so
a higher dimensional being cant affect a lower D being if they have NEP type 2 or transduality
or is it the opposite

They can't interact directly with NEP or Transdual, however they can indirectly killing NEP and Transdual by destroy/erase the plane of existence that NEP and Transdual reside, unless said NEP and Transdual have feats still existing after the destruction of their cosmology/plane of existence

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Can Yogiri affect Type 3 NEP?