This is what you said, I read it the first time. My explanation applies equally here. Creating a High 1-A structure does not make you Tier 0 automatically for the same reasons I described.
The same concept applies, so I don't know why you're having a fit that we didn't say "high" before 1-A.
No, 1 or 2 layers above baseline is not different from saying "this or that character is 1 or 2 layers into 1-A".
No, that is not a layer into 1-A
This is another layer into 1-A though. That's how we treat 1-A for 2 years already.
Can you please show me a scan where it says those infinite stories are transended from each other?
Done trying to argue on this point
I am absolutely not trying to reject anything. I have no word in saying what gets upgraded or downgraded. I am just trying to help here.
Yes there are infinite amount of them. But are these transended? Like the first seeing the second as fiction? Is there anything like that?
This character literally describes what I have said. He got a potentially boundless tier for this reason.
Because it is irrelevant to my comment
And I never mentioned what OP said. I mentioned that an author who created the whole high 1-A structure viewed it as bare fiction for him. He is the one who decides everything that it happens, the characters can't even interact with him unless he allows it. This is indeed a boundless tier, and not one layer to high 1-A.
Also, I thought the OP is talking about the writer, my bad.
Oh yeah the writer. He is outdated and should (and will) be downgraded.
But what is the 1A hierarchy here we are talking about?
But the reasoning still applies, if the verse caps at 1-C, he will be next tier lol.
I am unsure about the OP question. He did not link any scans in his OP thread. Also, I need to see the reasoning for a downgrade/upgrade and everything.
Arguably the silliest Tier 0 on the website.
The same reasoning applies, which is why it's relevant.
And the reasoning is still incorrect. Gasper is right, simply creating an [insert tier] structure doesn't make you [insert tier] +1.
I didn't make that point
You dont need infinite layers of 1-A to reach high 1-A
Why is the assumption that viewing something as fiction should be considered equal to infinite alephs?
What then? Same tier or what? I am tired of arguing, this is common sense.
Exceed means transcending.
Mate, because it is r>f interaction tf? You view a structure as fiction, you are actually outside of it. You can't be just one layer above it.
Its not? Its above the reach of alephs entirely
Marvel dosen't really have aleph scaling though. Some of them appear in old comics but don't make sense at all. Like in the scan about celestials being "transfinite" is just aleph 0. And it also says one infinity in just 2 times larger than the previous which you know, is bullshit. Kubic also says odd and even numbers are larger infinites which is not true at all. Both have the same cardinality, so aleph 0.
But baseline1A is literally equal to aleph 2.
You guys need to actually read the tiering criteria.
He does. Nobody is arguing against that tho.
He sees hoi as fiction, right? But my question here is, is that hierarchy stated in the comic itself to have qualitatively superior layers?
Aleph scaling and dimensional scaling should not compare though.
Huh?
In the sense of character being undimensioned should not mean they are automatically aleph 2.
So I got a question for you since you made the verse low-dimensional game.
The Structure is enough, but it takes evidence to do so. If High 1-A layers are the floors of a tower, you need to transcend the tower itself, from the outside not just existing beyond all the previous floors.
But the tower is a structure, right?
Yes cause no matter how many floors/layers of High 1-A are added they can never escape the structure of the tower/High 1-A Structure
And if someone is outside this hierarchy and transcends it, is he a boundless tier?
Can i comment here... i hope i am not annoying.
Only by transcending the structure of High 1-A/The Tower do you reach Tier 0, transcending the Hierarchy and being outside of it isn't enough.
That depends greatly on what transcending means specifically in the context of the story. An R>F relationship is just a regular layer, not anything special when H1-A is being discussed.
Ya ofc, I am talking about High 1-A as a whole hierarchy and structure. Transcending it will be tiering 0.
Yes as long as the method of transcendence is not the same as the methods used via High 1-A.
If the method of transcendence of High 1-A is used differently than r>f interaction, and the author used r>f interaction on that said hierarchy, then the author is 0 tiering? (forget about Marvel/DC Comic)
Not necessarily, no. It's not about variety, or something like that. R>F is part of High 1-A.
It still depends, for example seeing something in a dream can be R > F but you can also get R > F through seeing something as nothing more than a story. So as long as the Author's R > F is different than that of the Hierarchy's and he has more context on sed transcendence then it would be Tier 0.
Apparently, it is about variety, I asked this question a while ago but ya to get to Tier 0 normally you need three Hierarchies, each with their own method of transcendence and an inaccessible gap between the Hierarchies themselves.
Why 3 and not one?
I think he mean higher dimension hierarchy ,1A and high1A hierarchy.
But what if the verse itself has only one hierachy? And it is confirmed to be fully high 1-A
