Can genjutsu work on inanimate beings?

[KingTempest]

Seems like it

 

[speedster352]

Seems like it

So what's the conclusion for this thread?

 

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[speedster352]

Seems like it

Why though? Is it because genjutsu requires a brain?

 

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[Arkenis]

So can genjutsu work on inanimate beings like a puppet or doll?

if they have a mind then yeah

 

[speedster352]

if they have a mind then yeah

A brain right?

 

[Arkenis]

A brain right?

A mind

 

[speedster352]

A mind

What defines a mind? We already established that genjutsu at least requires a brain

 

[Arkenis]

What defines a mind? We already established that genjutsu at least requires a brain

Some genjutsu don't require it.

 

[speedster352]

Some genjutsu don't require it.

Like? We already went over this.

 

[speedster352]

Moulding chakra comes from organs, idk who told you otherwise

We've seen 2 edo tensei bleed from abilities that require or produce bleeding when they're alive. That's not inconsistent.

Anyways, you could make an argument if they had any type of organic brain, but things like puppets or dolls, no

Some genjutsu don't require it.

Here

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah if the soul is in the doll or puppet then they're getting genjutsued. so you'd have to prove the doll or puppet doesn't have such a thing.

 

[speedster352]

Yeah if the soul is in the doll or puppet then they're getting genjutsued. so you'd have to prove the doll or puppet doesn't have such a thing.

Well gowther doesn’t have a soul it’s on his profile. Since when do dolls and robots have souls? Also is their any scans that genjutsu affects the soul since the strongest genjutsu in the verse didn’t work on the edo tensei of all things

 

[Arkenis]

Also is their any scans that genjutsu affects the soul since the strongest genjutsu in the verse didn’t work on the edo tensei of all things

sasuke effected edo itachi. and the infinite tsukuyomi didn't effect them because it targeted people who were alive not dead. Itachi got effected by Kotoamatsukami.

 

[speedster352]

sasuke effected edo itachi. and the infinite tsukuyomi didn't effect them because it targeted people who were alive not dead. Itachi got effected by Kotoamatsukami.

Moulding chakra comes from organs, idk who told you otherwise

We've seen 2 edo tensei bleed from abilities that require or produce bleeding when they're alive. That's not inconsistent.

Anyways, you could make an argument if they had any type of organic brain, but things like puppets or dolls, no

This basscially. And scans for saskue affecting edo itachi?

 

[Arkenis]

This basscially. And scans for saskue affecting edo itachi?

Funny enough Kabuto, the master of the edo tenseis used genjutsu on itachi as well and it worked.

Then they break each other other.

 

[speedster352]

Funny enough Kabuto, the master of the edo tenseis used genjutsu on itachi as well and it worked.

Then they break each other other.

That's fine we already establish that they have brains

This basscially. And scans for saskue affecting edo itachi?

 

[Arkenis]

That's fine we already establish that they have brains

no?

 

[speedster352]

no?

Please read kingtempest arguments

 

[Arkenis]

Please read kingtempest arguments

Yeah idc. genjutsu can effect bijus, edo tenseis, and souls. Being a puppet doesn't really matter if u can't prove they don't have a mind or a soul.

 

[speedster352]

Yeah idc. genjutsu can effect bijus, edo tenseis, and souls. Being a puppet doesn't really matter if u can't prove they don't have a mind or a soul.

Edo Tensei are zombies not souls. Biju have physical bodies in the real world

 

[Arkenis]

Edo Tensei are zombies not souls

They are souls summoned to the real world in temporary inorganic bodies, not "zombies". They literally have inorganic physiology on their page bruh, yeah like I said if he's got a mind then the puppet is getting effected.

 

[Kidkinsey]

It depends on the GJ, if its the conventional illusions that work without messing with your foe's brain/nervous system I dont see why not

 

[speedster352]

It depends on the GJ, if its the conventional illusions that work without messing with your foe's brain/nervous system I dont see why not

Yeah but Genjutsu doesn't work on souls Edo tensei are zombies they are actually corpses with their souls remember kabuto Edo Tensei Jutsu? Also, Edo Tensei can hear and talk so they are not just paper. They can bleed like kingtempest explained.

It depends on the GJ, if its the conventional illusions that work without messing with your foe's brain/nervous system I dont see why not

Yes but a robot or doll won't be affected we already went over this with Ultron for an example

 

[Kidkinsey]

They are still souls just bound to a body

I saw the comment. Not ALL genjutsu manipulates the inner energy of the foe
During the chunin exams 2 chunin made an illusion that made 201 look like 301 without messing with team 7s chakra flow

 

[Arkenis]

Ultron for an example

A robot is wholly different to a puppet lol. One's mind is digital and the other is some disembodied aspect of them like a soul or consciousness.

 

[speedster352]

They are still souls just bound to a body

I saw the comment. Not ALL genjutsu manipulates the inner energy of the foe
During the chunin exams 2 chunin made an illusion that made 201 look like 301 without messing with team 7s chakra flow

Read king tempest's arguments

A robot is wholly different to a puppet lol. One's mind is digital and the other is some disembodied aspect of them like a soul or consciousness.

 

[Kidkinsey]

I did he's talking about organic matter and stuff and edos being able to bleed etc. I'm saying there are some genjutsu that work like your traditional illusions (mysteiro from the mcu) that have NOTHING to do with the physiology of the opponent

 

[speedster352]

I did he's talking about organic matter and stuff and edos being able to bleed etc. I'm saying there are some genjutsu that work like your traditional illusions (mysteiro from the mcu) that have NOTHING to do with the physiology of the opponent

Actually, kabuto used corpses to resurrect people as Edo Tensei

I did he's talking about organic matter and stuff and edos being able to bleed etc. I'm saying there are some genjutsu that work like your traditional illusions (mysteiro from the mcu) that have NOTHING to do with the physiology of the opponent

I agree with that then

 

[Arkenis]

Read king tempest's arguments

please stop saying this bro, we've done it already

 

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