Calypso vs. Medaka Kurokami

[Jinsye]

IDK if this is a stomp. But whatevs.

The Hero is unrestricted for now.

5-C vs. 5-A

Speed Equalized

Who wins?

Medaka Kurokami: 0

Calypso (Twisted Metal): 0

Inconclusive: 6



This is from a calc but this picture is wtf.

 

[DMUA]

OH DEAR LORD YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE IT


Anyways Medaka UNDERSTANDS and then immediately eats BFR.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I hate to be the one, but what is Calypso's counter to All Fiction?

We'll get to Book Maker later.

 

[DMUA]

BFRing Medaka immediately.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

And then All Fiction Erases the BFR

EDIT: What's the deal with Calypso's Power Absorbtion?

 

[DMUA]

She's going to use that immediately in that fashion in character?


Isn't that a Kumagawa (Or however it's spelled) Thing?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Absolutly. But that's assuming she's going to just give up and go home.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

What's the deal with Calypso's Power Absorbtion?

He stole the powers of Mr. Grimm, the verse's Grim Reaper, and transferred them to a little girl. This transformed her into the new Mr. Grimm while turning the original into a normal human.

As a note, in one of the prior games' endings, Grimm was shown devouring all of the dead souls on the planet after Calypso annihilated the world population. (Although whether or not this was "in moments" or "over time" is left unknown. The animation shows him absorbing them in a constant stream, though.)

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

So Power Transfer. That sounds a bit more useful the BFR in this fight. Can he just straight up steal powers or is the assuming too much?

 

[DMUA]

He's much more likely to BFR Medaka. If that don't work, Powersteal may come into play.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Can he just straight up steal powers or is the assuming too much?

Possibly? I mean, he's never actually shown using his powers for that, but that's most likely due to the fact that none of the characters' wishes have involved having him steal another person's abilities for himself.

He's generally portrayed as being a guy who can do whatever the **** he wants with his Reality Warping, so the hard limits to what he's capable of are really vaguely defined. Whether or not he "can't" do something that's similar to things he's done before is...debatable, but I usually avoid arguing the topic because of the speculation involved.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hmm...so, to get the useless stuff out of the way. Encounter, Scar Dead.

Now to the real deal. Does calypso have a counter to invisibility and the fact that she's just plainly faster than him?

 

[DMUA]

BFRing before she does anything.

Speed Equalized

 

[Schnee_One]

<All fiction erasing BFR

Pfffthahahahaha No...

Calypso via telling her goodbye and BFRing

 

[AjimuPlaysMaplestory]

even if you say speed equalized medaka still always goes first and can do whatever she wants via all fiction deleting time lol

medaka goes first via all fiction and seals then 1 shots

medaka can also learn and surpass anything he can do

if she can learn universal hax then she can learn street level and planetary

she is faster via all fiction deleting time/reacts faster via auto pilot/is invisible/is immortal

just dont see how he wins with no immortality when his best strategy is just to run and try to bfr her

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Srsly doe, why can't Medaka just erase the BFR? (erase the action). I mean "he" was Acasual not everything he does is Acasual.

Does "speed equalized" only apply to combat/sprint speed or reaction speed and brain proccessing speed too?

I still think Medaka takes this unless someone proves me wrong (pls explain in more details the BFR)

 

[Schnee_One]

All speed

Has it erased BFR?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

All speed
Has it erased BFR?

Not the point, it has erased actions, why wouldn't it erase BFR? An action is still an action.

 

[Schnee_One]

Actions are not thoughts

If she's BFR'd with a thought, she can't erase it

 

[DMUA]

even if you say speed equalized medaka still always goes first and can do whatever she wants via all fiction deleting time lol

Problem being that Calypso would have already BFRd her by the time she pulls out All Fiction.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Actions are not thoughts
If she's BFR'd with a thought, she can't erase it

Why not? xD

Also thought or physical move, the action is her "going into the BFR zone". Erase that and you're out. She erases the "cause/ the reason she was BFR-ed".

BFR doesn't work on Medaka.

 

[Schnee_One]

Because she's never done it, actions aren't thoughts.

<She erases the cause and-

Feats?

 

[DMUA]

Also thought or physical move, the action is her "going into the BFR zone". Erase that and you're out.

You leave the implication she gets a chance to use all fiction.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Also thought or physical move, the action is her "going into the BFR zone". Erase that and you're out.

You leave the implication she gets a chance to use all fiction.

If the physical body can't erase the cause, All Fiction will do that automatically. I have made a thread proving that. If she is alive in the BFR, she will use it herself. If she isn't AF will take her out on it's own.

 

[DMUA]

Scans or it can't get rid of BFR.

I mean, she'll likely be either set to a painting on Calypso's wall or sent to one of his asylums... Presumably in hell, by which she'll have no clue what to do to get back.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Because she's never done it, actions aren't thoughts.
<She erases the cause and-

Feats?

The existence of colors is an action? Someone having eyesight is an action? Ppl's memories are an action? He has erased all of those. Even though they are not actions. The process of thinking is an action (in a way). But that's not the only thing, she can erase the "moment she was BFR-ed". Yes ok he thought it (let's say she can't erase that), she is then pulled or transferred or teleported or whatever in the BFR zone, that moment can be erased as it is an action.

 

[Schnee_One]

<It's an action so she can erase it

NLF at it's finest.

So she erases the area she is in? Not sure how that's gonna work when she's sent back in time kn in a Black Hole or whatever Calypso does

 

[Firephoenixearl]

<It's an action so she can erase it
NLF at it's finest.

So she erases the area she is in? Not sure how that's gonna work when she's sent back in time kn in a Black Hole or whatever Calypso does

Not the area she's in (though it's not out of the question, All Fiction hasn't shown any limits besides stuff that's Immune to Erasure), the cause.

When kumagawa was fighting Ezumachi, Ezumachi destroyed the painting, then Kumagawa restored it, by "erasing the cause of the dmg". Same thing would happen here, she gets transported, she erases the "cause of her transport". Also if she dies it's no big deal, AF will bring her back.

 

[Schnee_One]

So....

What does she erase?

Her randomly teleporting?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So....
What does she erase?

Her randomly teleporting?

Ugh, the "CAUSE OF HER RANDOM TELEPORT" geez how many times do i have to say it? If the cause is erased there can be no "result/effect" (acasuality aside). That's how she gets out.

 

[DMUA]

>Acasuality aside

>Calypso has that very power

Good Game sir.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

>Acasuality aside
>Calypso has that very power

Good Game sir.

He does, not everything he does though. It means that even if the cause of his existence is erased, he'll still be there. That only aplies to him doe, not his actions or powers.

 

[AjimuPlaysMaplestory]

people are still ignoring the part about all fiction erasing time and making her first action instant?

how would someone that is invisible with automatic reflexes and instant speed get outspeedblitz by someone that was vastly slower than them to begin with? he wouldnt even know she is

even if you say speed equalized (medaka is faster without this rule but w/e) all fiction has been shown to delete time and make actions instant

instant > Relativistic+

she seals and 1 shots

if he is sealed he cannot bfr

 

[Schnee_One]

Thought=Instant

Unless you mean to tell me it's passive

 

[AjimuPlaysMaplestory]

Thought=Instant
Unless you mean to tell me it's passive

do you mean for her or for him? thoughts are not instant but her speed = instant if she all fictions

there is still thinking speed/reflexes

also auto pilot happens without her thinking

unequalized speed medaka definitely goes first and blitzes

but how can you possibly calc something where both parties can 1 shot (assuming he can and she doesnt just outhax him with his own hax) if you try to equalize the speed?

normally thinking speed would probably fall under reflexes/speed/intelligence but medaka outclasses him in all 3

claiming he just magically goes first and 1 shots for no reason despite being slower isnt good enough and just NLF

 

[DMUA]

people are still ignoring the part about all fiction erasing time and making her first action instant?

Yeah.

Because Calypso thinks her into his remote prison and she, more likely than not, won't get a chance to use it.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Medaka never strikes first anyway. All Fiction repeatedly erases death. The same could be said for BFR.

 

[AjimuPlaysMaplestory]

people are still ignoring the part about all fiction erasing time and making her first action instant?

Yeah.
Because Calypso thinks her into his remote prison and she, more likely than not, won't get a chance to use it.

and she magically learns his hax and finds a way around it and comes back and 1 shots because calypso has no plot manipulation

if you oppose the hero that makes you the villain and the villain cannot end the heros story in defeat

the hero was left unrestricted and causes plot induced stupidity

 

[AjimuPlaysMaplestory]

Medaka never strikes first anyway. All Fiction repeatedly erases death. The same could be said for BFR.

it was never stated that it was in character so we assume both are bloodlusted so there is no reason for her to not just go HAM and instant seal

the only rule was the hero was unrestricted and speed equalized (which doesnt make sense for a matchup supposedly based on who thinks first)

 

[DMUA]

the hero was left unrestricted and causes no limits fallacy

Fixed it for you.

Has there been a villain in Medaka box that BFRs those who give them slight annoyance immediately?

If not no dice.